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Eh. Not really, if you read the actual PR statements nazis put out they tend to say they prefer peaceful separation of races into ethnostates. Genocide can still be expected though as that's a contradictory logistic nightmare that is virtually impossible.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52584702]David Duke is happy with how Trump is handling Charlottesville. Can you explain to me how the rest of the country could possibly be okay with it as well, when the KKK's former Grand Wizard is saying he's doing right by the white nationalists? Can we stop and think about this for a minute? I don't agree to calling them subhuman either, I'm with you on that, but you seem to think there's no chance of these people rising up. I don't. I see it as a real chance. And it's not something we should take lightly. We did 80 years ago, I truly don't believe we can afford to do that again. [/QUOTE] Fuckssake, Trump denounced that bellend Duke for decades, he stepped out of the 2000 Reform Party over Duke being in it along with more unsavoury characters, people like Duke and Dickie Spencer don't even like the majority of Trump's proposals like the RAISE Act, yet they keep clinging on to Trump because it gives them the media attention they crave so much. Dickie Spencer even said it publicly that he wants to see Trump fail to further his own views. The shitbag just wants media attention, and in terms of fishiness, he smells like a goddamn septic tank. And the mainstream media is all to glad to give them that attention, even if they fully well know that Trump has made it clear multiple times, even multiple times during the campaigns, that he condemns the actions and views of people like Duke and Spencer. They just know that the average person watching and believing them has the attention span of a gnat.

[QUOTE=archangel125;52584764]Where you and I disagree is in the belief that being human somehow gives one's life some intrinsic value. There are certain extreme acts, in my view, through which a person's humanity is forefeit. There are also certain extreme degrees of ideological indoctrination that do the same. Past a certain point, what was once a person loses the ability to see reason and becomes like some dangerous, venomous animal, a threat to everyone else. Is it possible to come back from such brainwashing? Maybe. Some have. If they decide to harm other people, they won't get that chance. If the Nazis force us to destroy them, there's no reason to mourn them. The species is measurably better off without them.[/QUOTE] No it's not that. I don't view "Human" as having value outside of that very context that we're all human and we're all the same. The reason I stress this is because we as people have a habit of making our monsters and our enemies to be one in the same when that's never been the case. People have only ever really fought people. We don't have supernatural predators out there. We don't know what a real "monster" is, the only monsters we have are people. Acknowledging this while still doing the deed that needs doing allows us to be somber about what we're doing, while not dancing on the graves of our enemies as if they weren't going to do the same to us. It's not for [B]Their[/B] sake I urge you to view them as people. It's for [B]our[/B] sake. [editline]17th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Jordax;52584780]Fuckssake, Trump denounced that bellend Duke for decades, he stepped out of the 2000 Reform Party over Duke being in it along with more unsavoury characters, people like Duke and Dickie Spencer don't even like the majority of Trump's proposals like the RAISE Act, yet they keep clinging on to Trump because it gives them the media attention they crave so much. Dickie Spencer even said it publicly that he wants to see Trump fail to further his own views. The shitbag just wants media attention, and in terms of fishiness, he smells like a goddamn septic tank. And the mainstream media is all to glad to give them that attention, even if they fully well know that Trump has made it clear multiple times, even multiple times during the campaigns, that he condemns the actions and views of people like Duke and Spencer. They just know that the average person watching and believing them has the attention span of a gnat.[/QUOTE] That's all well and good but it took him time to denounce Duke in the election period, it took him time to denounce them over the charlottesville incident, on which he immediately flipped flopped on. Actions speak a lot louder than words and he's only acting in a way that bolsters them at this time.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52584751]Watergate took 2 years. That was a month ago. I think you really need to learn some historical context as to why an immediate development in a story doesn't lead to a "Later that day" outcome. [editline]17th August 2017[/editline] Also, you did literally say when asked for proof[/QUOTE] Silence is the most powerful scream. So you [i]do[/i] think I'm dumb! I'll take that bet on the Trumpgate thing too. How about $1000? Also the proof was completely irrelevant to what was being discussed.

[QUOTE=Jordax;52584692]Jesus fucking Christ, if you compare communism to a camping trip, I would really, really ask questions what sort of fucking camping trips you go to? The ones where everyone with glasses got genocided, everyone got worked to death, a sizable percentage tortured to death, with said camping trip ending with another camp invading because they had enough of said camp killing one in fifth of everyone of their own, and the mayhem starting to spill over towards the borders of their camping site? Communism is evil. Nazism is evil. Simple as that. The main difference between the two, is that Nazism is about killing other folks en masse, while Communism tends to end up in killing their own people in even bigger masses, be it intended or unintended.[/QUOTE] His point that on paper, Communism is an ideal classless society where everyone is relatively equal. That has never quite worked out in practice but alas. Nazism on paper, is about eliminating people deemed not pure. In practice, it it's about committing genocide, a crime so bad humanity needed to invent it. that makes a big difference, imo

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52584782]No it's not that. I don't view "Human" as having value outside of that very context that we're all human and we're all the same. The reason I stress this is because we as people have a habit of making our monsters and our enemies to be one in the same when that's never been the case. People have only ever really fought people. We don't have supernatural predators out there. We don't know what a real "monster" is, the only monsters we have are people. Acknowledging this while still doing the deed that needs doing allows us to be somber about what we're doing, while not dancing on the graves of our enemies as if they weren't going to do the same to us. It's not for [B]Their[/B] sake I urge you to view them as people. It's for [B]our[/B] sake.[/QUOTE] What, you're worried that we'll start branding other groups and other ideologies as undesirable once the Nazis have been stomped out, start dehumanizing them too, and attacking them? If their ideologies demand the extermination of huge parts of the species, maybe. I'm going to make the argument that there's a difference between vigilance and bloodlust. Neo-nazis in America are planning terrorist attacks as we speak, and we're still giving them the benefit of the doubt, waiting to see what they'll do. Should they choose to repeat what they did in Charlottesville, we'll be ready. We already know they're a threat because they've demonstrated a willingness to maim and kill people, but we're still waiting to see what they'll do. We won't be the ones to start the killing. But we'll finish it.

[QUOTE=The Vman;52584769]Christianity and Islam have lead to countless death tolls. Genocides and exterminations. Violent extremists and terrorists. I wouldn't say either of them are inherently evil though. Communism is a broken system, and is very easily exploited by the corrupt to seize power. But the ideology of Communism did not call for those purges and famines. The ideology of Nazism, however, [I]explicitly[/I] calls for the extermination of inferior races. It is [I]objectively[/I] worse than Communism. The deaths caused by Communism were due to it failing as an ideology. The deaths caused by Nazism were due to it succeeding.[/QUOTE] Communism is flawed to begin with. Marx, like the 20th-century equivalent of a San Francisco liberal camping out the at the local Starbucks he was, just had it never occur to him that people born from low social status and poverty would be able to do the exact same evils he only perceived the rich of being capable of, if they would come to power. Marx just didn't understand basic human nature at all. Communism will never work as it disregards the very human nature of being as utterly unpredictable, and that there is no such thing as a flawless human being. Even in a frankly unobtainable system where everyone is utterly equal to each other in every way possible, there will be humans with vices in their lives or towards others. And even if humanity would degenerate itself to make Communism work, what would we be left with? A zealously obedient and thoughtless group with no feelings, passions or goals other than what an almighty state tells them what to do, what to think, and what to feel? A state which, in the end, is ran by humans with the powers of the Emperors of Old? Would you really think that they wouldn't go at a power trip as soon they could, just to consolidate their power forever in their little clique? Do you really think that humanity would be better off in that case? It simply wouldn't. It would be tossing humanity away into the hands of a group of people that in the end, just sees you as a very small number which can be just replaced as easily as a normal human being would drink water. Everyone who wouldn't be on top of the party hierarchy, is just a simple pawn that can be disposed of as soon they lost their value. And even at the top of the party hierarchy, everyone who isn't at the very top is replaceable with another zealous believer to the cause who is willing to climb the ladder in an attempt to grab the ultimate power.

[QUOTE=Not64;52584802]Silence is the most powerful scream. So you [i]do[/i] think I'm dumb! I'll take that bet on the Trumpgate thing too. How about $1000? Also the proof was completely irrelevant.[/QUOTE] I didn't say that. I think it's hilarious you left an argument when asked for proof with that excuse though. Do you really not understand the timeline of watergate? Do you really think that because nothing has happened yet, nothing will? That's not how prosecution works. At all. [editline]17th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=archangel125;52584813]What, you're worried that we'll start branding other groups and other ideologies as undesirable once the Nazis have been stomped out, start dehumanizing them too, and attacking them? I'm going to make the argument that there's a difference between vigilance and bloodlust. Neo-nazis in America are planning terrorist attacks as we speak, and we're still giving them the benefit of the doubt, waiting to see what they'll do. Should they choose to repeat what they did in Charlottesville, we'll be ready. We already know they're a threat because they've demonstrated a willingness to maim and kill people, but we're still waiting to see what they'll do. We won't be the ones to start the killing. But we'll finish it.[/QUOTE] No I just don't want us to lose sight of our own actions while doing he right thing. There is no black and white, and as right as it is to fight nazis, it wouldn't be right to forget who were fighting. Not monsters. Not evil incarnate. People.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52584816]I didn't say that. I think it's hilarious you left an argument when asked for proof with that excuse though. Do you really not understand the timeline of watergate? Do you really think that because nothing has happened yet, nothing will? That's not how prosecution works. At all.[/QUOTE] You're not denying it either. I left that argument because there was no point in explaining myself. The thread was already completely derailed. It would have been wasted time and effort. Unlike most people on this forum I don't care if people think I'm dumb. I'm just here for shits and giggles. And again, do you want to make a bet? How about $500? I'm serious.

[QUOTE=Not64;52584838]You're not denying it either. I left that argument because there was no point in explaining myself. The thread was already completely derailed. It would have been wasted time and effort. Unlike most people on this forum I don't care if people think I'm dumb. And again, do you want to make a bet? How about $500? I'm serious.[/QUOTE] I don't care and I don't know you or trust you to value a bet, so no, I don't care? I'm not saying anything in regards to your intelligence, I'm merely saying your actions and statements at that time were incongruent and made/make no sense. I don't think many people here actually care but hey, you're already putting yourself on a pedestal above other people so surely you'll fit in just fine.

[QUOTE=Jordax;52584815]Communism is flawed to begin with. Marx, like the 20th-century equivalent of a San Francisco liberal camping out the at the local Starbucks he was, just had it never occur to him that people born from low social status and poverty would be able to do the exact same evils he only perceived the rich of being capable of, if they would come to power. Marx just didn't understand basic human nature at all. Communism will never work as it disregards the very human nature of being as utterly unpredictable, and that there is no such thing as a flawless human being. Even in a frankly unobtainable system where everyone is utterly equal to each other in every way possible, there will be humans with vices in their lives or towards others.[/QUOTE] Have you actually read the communist manifesto?

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[QUOTE=Not64;52584853]I win.[/QUOTE] Sure you do

[QUOTE=Jordax;52584815]Communism is flawed to begin with. Marx, like the 20th-century equivalent of a San Francisco liberal camping out the at the local Starbucks he was, just had it never occur to him that people born from low social status and poverty would be able to do the exact same evils he only perceived the rich of being capable of, if they would come to power. Marx just didn't understand basic human nature at all. Communism will never work as it disregards the very human nature of being as utterly unpredictable, and that there is no such thing as a flawless human being. Even in a frankly unobtainable system where everyone is utterly equal to each other in every way possible, there will be humans with vices in their lives or towards others. And even if humanity would degenerate itself to make Communism work, what would we be left with? A zealously obedient and thoughtless group with no feelings, passions or goals other than what an almighty state tells them what to do, what to think, and what to feel? A state which, in the end, is ran by humans with the powers of the Emperors of Old? Would you really think that they wouldn't go at a power trip as soon they could, just to consolidate their power forever in their little clique? Do you really think that humanity would be better off in that case? It simply wouldn't. It would be tossing humanity away into the hands of a group of people that in the end, just sees you as a very small number which can be just replaced as easily as a normal human being would drink water.[/QUOTE] That's not communism.

[QUOTE=Jordax;52584815]Communism is flawed to begin with. Marx, like the 20th-century equivalent of a San Francisco liberal camping out the at the local Starbucks he was, just had it never occur to him that people born from low social status and poverty would be able to do the exact same evils he only perceived the rich of being capable of, if they would come to power. Marx just didn't understand basic human nature at all. Communism will never work as it disregards the very human nature of being as utterly unpredictable, and that there is no such thing as a flawless human being. Even in a frankly unobtainable system where everyone is utterly equal to each other in every way possible, there will be humans with vices in their lives or towards others. And even if humanity would degenerate itself to make Communism work, what would we be left with? A zealously obedient and thoughtless group with no feelings, passions or goals other than what an almighty state tells them what to do, what to think, and what to feel? A state which, in the end, is ran by humans with the powers of the Emperors of Old? Would you really think that they wouldn't go at a power trip as soon they could, just to consolidate their power forever in their little clique? Do you really think that humanity would be better off in that case? It simply wouldn't. It would be tossing humanity away into the hands of a group of people that in the end, just sees you as a very small number which can be just replaced as easily as a normal human being would drink water.[/QUOTE] .... have you ever engaged with any communist writers/material? Like I dislike communism as much as the next guy but FUCK it helps to at least know what the hell you're talking about.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52584702]David Duke is happy with how Trump is handling Charlottesville. Can you explain to me how the rest of the country could possibly be okay with it as well, when the KKK's former Grand Wizard is saying he's doing right by the white nationalists? Can we stop and think about this for a minute? I don't agree to calling them subhuman either, I'm with you on that, but you seem to think there's no chance of these people rising up. I don't. I see it as a real chance. And it's not something we should take lightly. We did 80 years ago, I truly don't believe we can afford to do that again. [editline]17th August 2017[/editline] That's not what you said so acting like everyones dumb for you needing to spell it out just reflects that you think your ideas are implicitly obvious to everyone else. They're not. Explaining things that you believe in with less vagueries is only ever a good thing. You didn't do that.[/QUOTE] We're just clearly not taking them lightly as is, is all. One large rally and the majority of our allies and politicians slammed them immediately, even dudes like Ted Cruz. Trump's response was weak and his willingness to flirt with the far right is certainly dangerous, but he's also widely hated or at least disliked by the vast majority of the country right now with his approval dropping every month. I could be wrong, but I don't think he would get away with welcoming the KKK into the White House with open arms for long. Of course there's always a threat of things going horribly awry, but at the moment I'm comfortable with the notion that the west [I]hates[/I] nazis far too much for them to reach real power in America's current climate. Not to say "lol lie down it's fine", I just doubt it.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52584868].... have you ever engaged with any communist writers/material? Like I dislike communism as much as the next guy but FUCK it helps to at least know what the hell you're talking about.[/QUOTE] That's theory. In practice, it will end up in complete tyranny and the genocides of undesirables in almost every single country wherein Communism has been tried in. Just take a look what happened in the Soviet Union, what is to this day, the most power Communism has ever gotten in geopolitical power. Stalin consolidated his power by mass propaganda, genocide of minorities of any kind, and the ruthless killing of anyone who even slightly looked at him funny, even his closest allies in the Communist Party. And straight after his death, you got the situation of wherein many of those higher-ups who weren't disappeared or hauled off with their entire families to a gulag, engaged in figuratively stabbing each other in the back, and all to claim Stalin's former spot. For a political system that requires the normal population to be as obedient and selfless as possible, the party top showed that it in the end, was still run by humans with their own flaws and ambitions, to make it to the absolute top of power even if they had to make a mountain of corpses with their deeds, and would climb those several times if it meant more power to them.

[QUOTE=Jordax;52584815]Communism is flawed to begin with. Marx, like the 20th-century equivalent of a San Francisco liberal camping out the at the local Starbucks he was, just had it never occur to him that people born from low social status and poverty would be able to do the exact same evils he only perceived the rich of being capable of, if they would come to power. Marx just didn't understand basic human nature at all. Communism will never work as it disregards the very human nature of being as utterly unpredictable, and that there is no such thing as a flawless human being. Even in a frankly unobtainable system where everyone is utterly equal to each other in every way possible, there will be humans with vices in their lives or towards others. And even if humanity would degenerate itself to make Communism work, what would we be left with? A zealously obedient and thoughtless group with no feelings, passions or goals other than what an almighty state tells them what to do, what to think, and what to feel? A state which, in the end, is ran by humans with the powers of the Emperors of Old? Would you really think that they wouldn't go at a power trip as soon they could, just to consolidate their power forever in their little clique? Do you really think that humanity would be better off in that case? It simply wouldn't. It would be tossing humanity away into the hands of a group of people that in the end, just sees you as a very small number which can be just replaced as easily as a normal human being would drink water. Everyone who wouldn't be on top of the party hierarchy, is just a simple pawn that can be disposed of as soon they lost their value. And even at the top of the party hierarchy, everyone who isn't at the very top is replaceable with another zealous believer to the cause who is willing to climb the ladder in an attempt to grab the ultimate power.[/QUOTE] Yeah...you dont know what you're talking about...

[QUOTE=Jordax;52584944]That's theory. In practice, it will end up in complete tyranny and the genocides of undesirables in almost every single country wherein Communism has been tried in. Just take a look what happened in the Soviet Union, what is to this day, the most power Communism has ever gotten in geopolitical power. Stalin consolidated his power by mass propaganda, genocide of minorities of any kind, and the ruthless killing of anyone who even slightly looked at him funny, even his closest allies in the Communist Party. And straight after his death, you got the situation of wherein many of those higher-ups who weren't disappeared or hauled off with their entire families to a gulag, engaged in figuratively stabbing each other in the back, and all to claim Stalin's former spot. For a political system that requires the normal population to be as obedient and selfless as possible, the party top showed that it in the end, was still run by humans with their own flaws and ambitions, to make it to the absolute top of power even if they had to make a mountain of corpses with their deeds, and would climb those several times if it meant more power to them.[/QUOTE] i mean you could have just said no you haven't

[QUOTE=Jordax;52584944]That's theory. In practice, it will end up in complete tyranny and the genocides of undesirables in almost every single country wherein Communism has been tried in. Just take a look what happened in the Soviet Union, what is to this day, the most power Communism has ever gotten in geopolitical power. Stalin consolidated his power by mass propaganda, genocide of minorities of any kind, and the ruthless killing of anyone who even slightly looked at him funny, even his closest allies in the Communist Party. And straight after his death, you got the situation of wherein many of those higher-ups who weren't disappeared or hauled off with their entire families to a gulag, engaged in figuratively stabbing each other in the back, and all to claim Stalin's former spot. For a political system that requires the normal population to be as obedient and selfless as possible, the party top showed that it in the end, was still run by humans with their own flaws and ambitions, to make it to the absolute top of power even if they had to make a mountain of corpses with their deeds, and would climb those several times if it meant more power to them.[/QUOTE] Have you noticed how almost all of those things exclusively happened under Stalin? The Soviet Union in the 70s and 80s was crappy and disfuncational but it didn't go around waging genocide, killing anyone who SLIGHTLY annoyed their leader or any of the countless shit Stalin did. Stalin was a very bad egg in particular, we don't go around judging the entirety of capitalism with someone like Fulgencio Batista. Communism is shit but it wasn't responsible for much of the evil shit Stalin got up to.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52584966]i mean you could have just said no you haven't[/QUOTE] Oh, please tell me whatever theory you have showing the positives of groups like the Khmer Rouge. A Communist regime so blood-lusty and genocidal, that Communist Vietnam had to step in to end a two-year genocide that left one in five people in Cambodia as a pile of bones in the Killing Fields, and would have spilled over into Vietnam if they hadn't stopped it. It did cost Vietnam much though, as Communist China declared war on them a year later in retaliation to Vietnam booting out the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, which China did support immensely at the time of the Cambodian Genocide. A shining example of International Communism in practice, don't you think?

[QUOTE=Jordax;52584987]Oh, please tell me whatever theory you have showing the positives of groups like the Khmer Rouge. A Communist regime so blood-lusty and genocidal, that Communist Vietnam had to step in to end a two-year genocide that left one in five people in Cambodia as a pile of bones in the Killing Fields, and would have spilled over into Vietnam if they hadn't stopped it. It did cost Vietnam much though, as Communist China declared war on them a year later in retaliation to Vietnam booting out the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, which China did support immensely at the time of the Cambodian Genocide. A shining example of International Communism in practice, don't you think?[/QUOTE] But people aren't trying to defend those groups, and nor do those groups represent the core tenants of communism. I really, really don't get this dude. Communism is a redistribution of wealth. It's almost always been co-opted by power mad despots. But that doesn't change the core ideology. Nazism, at it's core, is an ideology of violence. There is no comparison.

[QUOTE=Jordax;52584815]Communism is flawed to begin with. Marx, like the 20th-century equivalent of a San Francisco liberal camping out the at the local Starbucks he was, just had it never occur to him that people born from low social status and poverty would be able to do the exact same evils he only perceived the rich of being capable of, if they would come to power. Marx just didn't understand basic human nature at all. Communism will never work as it disregards the very human nature of being as utterly unpredictable, and that there is no such thing as a flawless human being. Even in a frankly unobtainable system where everyone is utterly equal to each other in every way possible, there will be humans with vices in their lives or towards others. And even if humanity would degenerate itself to make Communism work, what would we be left with? A zealously obedient and thoughtless group with no feelings, passions or goals other than what an almighty state tells them what to do, what to think, and what to feel? A state which, in the end, is ran by humans with the powers of the Emperors of Old? Would you really think that they wouldn't go at a power trip as soon they could, just to consolidate their power forever in their little clique? Do you really think that humanity would be better off in that case? It simply wouldn't. It would be tossing humanity away into the hands of a group of people that in the end, just sees you as a very small number which can be just replaced as easily as a normal human being would drink water. Everyone who wouldn't be on top of the party hierarchy, is just a simple pawn that can be disposed of as soon they lost their value. And even at the top of the party hierarchy, everyone who isn't at the very top is replaceable with another zealous believer to the cause who is willing to climb the ladder in an attempt to grab the ultimate power.[/QUOTE] Ah, Karl 'Shit, I forgot human nature' Marx. I reckon he made that realisation around the same time Trotsky invented the word racism. I was trying to reduce the irrelevant baggage and nuance of the two to their most basic foundations so maybe, just maybe you'd be able to make a simple distinction between them. That is where our point lies. If you want to make a solid criticism beyond the bare basics that you can't seem to establish, it would help if you'd read a book or three.

holy shit I can't believe you people are DEFENDING THE USSR like holy shit it's nothing but "THE USSR DID NOTHING WRONG" and "COMMUNISM IS THE ONE TRUE PATH FORWARD FOR MANKIND" in here man I understand why so many people are outraged this DEFENSE of COMMUNISM is truly abhorrent

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;52585022]holy shit I can't believe you people are DEFENDING THE USSR like holy shit it's nothing but "THE USSR DID NOTHING WRONG" and "COMMUNISM IS THE ONE TRUE PATH FORWARD FOR MANKIND" in here man I understand why so many people are outraged this DEFENSE of COMMUNISM is truly abhorrent[/QUOTE] Should I just start copy pasting earlier posts about how Communism as a political belief isn't as inherently evil as Nazism because typing the same response out 10 times a day is getting old.

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;52585042]Should I just start copy pasting earlier posts about how Communism as a political belief isn't as inherently evil as Nazism because typing the same response out 10 times a day is getting old.[/QUOTE] That's pretty clearly pure sarcasm to me, but I could be misreading.

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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;52585022]holy shit I can't believe you people are DEFENDING THE USSR like holy shit it's nothing but "THE USSR DID NOTHING WRONG" and "COMMUNISM IS THE ONE TRUE PATH FORWARD FOR MANKIND" in here man I understand why so many people are outraged this DEFENSE of COMMUNISM is truly abhorrent[/QUOTE] hey, would you mind linking a post that says "THE USSR DID NOTHING WRONG" or "COMMUNISM IS THE ONE TRUE PATH FORWARD FOR MANKIND". I'm just really curious where they are, especially considering the above posts have just been talking about the flaws of communism and how they were all completely exploited in the USSR... don't see anything about supporting the USSR there.

[QUOTE=Jordax;52584987]Oh, please tell me whatever theory you have showing the positives of groups like the Khmer Rouge. A Communist regime so blood-lusty and genocidal, that Communist Vietnam had to step in to end a two-year genocide that left one in five people in Cambodia as a pile of bones in the Killing Fields, and would have spilled over into Vietnam if they hadn't stopped it. It did cost Vietnam much though, as Communist China declared war on them a year later in retaliation to Vietnam booting out the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, which China did support immensely at the time of the Cambodian Genocide. A shining example of International Communism in practice, don't you think?[/QUOTE] Can you answer a basic question and say whether you've read the communist manifesto or not?

[QUOTE=Levelog;52585067]That's pretty clearly pure sarcasm to me, but I could be misreading.[/QUOTE] I'd like to think it might be but there are enough people on this forum that rank communism as just as much of a threat if not more so than neo nazis that you can't be too careful.