UK: Travellers break into and pitch up on school field in Crawley - Sensationalist Headlines

This kind of stuff is surreal to me as an American, because while squatters are a thing on unused private land, something en masse like this would likely be met with a significant and violent police response. Invading government land (assuming public school) is one way to get the long dick of the law here.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52253367]Oh give me a fucking break. Gypsies are glorified law-dodging squatters and the only way to deal with them is to give the younger generations enough education so that they break out of a cycle of squatting and crime to actually live proper lives that don't revolve around breaking and entering.[/QUOTE] The problem lies with the parents. They won't let their kids be something better than what they are, most of the times. Luckily, loads of travellers around here already put their kids in school.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;52253464]The problem lies with the parents. They won't let their kids be something better than what they are, most of the times. Luckily, loads of travellers around here already put their kids in school.[/QUOTE] Can't leech off of welfare and be taken care of in your olden days if your kids get the fuck away from you and break off the cycle.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52253458]This kind of stuff is surreal to me as an American, because while squatters are a thing on unused private land, something en masse like this would likely be met with a significant and violent police response. Invading government land (assuming public school) is one way to get the long dick of the law here.[/QUOTE] Not to mention if they tried parking on the wrong person's land they risk being chased off by lead first and words later.

[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;52253278]Hey, stop with the hatespeech against minorities and gross generalisation.[/QUOTE] Most of them are disrespectful and morally lacking cunts. It's because the majority are, which is why the generalization sticks. Maybe people would stop hating them if they weren't such a blight.

The last travellers to have come to my town have left a literal trail of shit behind them. Everyone knows to lock everything up when they arrive, fortunately.

[QUOTE=Shock_Coil;52253483]Not to mention if they tried parking on the wrong person's land they risk being chased off by lead first and words later.[/QUOTE] Does Texas still have laws that allow you to shoot someone dead if they trespass from the old cattle herding days? :v:

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52253668]Does Texas still have laws that allow you to shoot someone dead if they trespass from the old cattle herding days? :v:[/QUOTE] I don't know but it isn't like that would stop some people.

[QUOTE=laserpanda;52252174]My city is one of the few in the US with a significant traveller population, but it sounds nowhere near as bad as this. They have a reputation for stealing from businesses in the area, but they all live in trailer parks, not makeshift camps, and most of their income comes from shitty roofing/paving work. They make a shitload of money doing it apparently. You can drive through the trailer parks and every other car is a Mercedes, always with paper tags.[/QUOTE] We only have one family of them around here but they fit that exact stereotype/description. It's a very low crime area so they are probably the most notorious people in the entire county. Like every retail business I've ever worked for knows them by name because they steal shit all the time and act like assholes so they can sue if anyone lays a finger on them. But they don't nearly go as far as to destroy property or actually harm anyone like some examples mentioned earlier, if anything probably because they couldn't get away with it in this country.

[QUOTE=Pissfuck;52253407][editline]20th May 2017[/editline] crawley is a shiteole where you'll get knifed anyway im not surprised this happened. going to crawley mall to buy obscurer shit was the worst part of my childhood summers.[/QUOTE] The only thing I remember about County Mall (aka Crawley Mall) is that there's an ice cream shop in it. Haven't been there since I was a kid. Crawley is a right dump though.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52253371]Gypsies aren't a race. They're barely an ethnicity.[/QUOTE] In regards to travellers - this isn't really relevant. You can be discriminatory on more grounds than just race. Membership of the traveller community is one such ground. Yes, he used the term racist, but that's really just nomenclature - it doesn't diminish his point if you change it to say "Why is it okay to discriminate towards them?" [QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;52253405]I'm not gonna love them either though so... Then what?[/QUOTE] You don't need to feel strongly one way or the other, but you shouldn't be angry about a whole group of people. You can still be angry at the criminals, and you can be angry at the law for not prosecuting them properly, or at the education system for not educating them properly, but you shouldn't hate an entire group of people because of what some of them do.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;52253378][video]https://youtube.com/watch?v=aswvJZwJ6MU[/video][/QUOTE] The local scrap iron gyppo round mine got punched once because if anything metal is left on the street he'll fucking try and take it. He attempted to take some kids bike that was left in the drive, the dad flew out and smacked him in the face.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;52253132]Utterly fascinating how the problems with these people goes on and on in Europe. Why will nobody just deal with them? Like anywhere stateside they'd either get dropped by some hick or locked up in 2.5 seconds flat.[/QUOTE] They are an ethnicity and their lifestyle makes dealing with them feel like pest control sometimes. That combination can be pretty awkward in a post-Nazi Europe :pudge:

"but they're an ethnicity!!!!" So fucking what? If their ethnic life style breaks the law and basically creates the issue in the first place i'll happily become the next Tito to get them to fuck off. "Muh ethnic lifestyle" "muh heritage" "Muh traditional way of living" fuck off you're on private land [highlight](User was banned for this post (""Muh ____" Memeshit. Again." - Pascall))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=DrogenViech;52253369]My only question is: How the fuck do these traveler groups earn money??? [editline]20th May 2017[/editline] Actually, nevermind, they steal stuff, oops :v:[/QUOTE] It isn't all stealing, its only the really loud minority that villainizes the traveler communities. Now I'm not exactly going to go out defending them but I do know they have a lot of ways they actually do make money thats legit. There's a big family of them that rotates around the Lancashire area here and they're basically travelling labour, run their own little roofing, plumbing and other handyman jobs from a property they all pitched together to get and they just rotate their camps around depending where the work is needed, then they also run a scrap metal service from the same property which they'll go around collecting anything you put out (they wont grab stuff that looks pristine, they'll actually knock and ask if its ok to take if it looks too good), then they strip it all down to the base metals then flog it off to recycle centres or other scrapyards who will pay a good amount for bulk raw metal, be surprised how much they can make off stripping down a fridge etc, I've even seen them take someones wrecked car because the scrap yards refused to take it and it was just taking up the guys lot, bought it off him for £500 and they likely made over 3k on the metal. They ain't all bad, but I can understand where a lot of the stigma comes from and its from the loud minority of travelers who make it look like they're all bad. I personally have no issue with them as long as they don't cause a problem for the locals, hell the few that rotate around us actually have agreements with farmers to setup their camps on pretty much dead land which they can't grow anything on and like I said before, they just move around the plots to wherever there is work. However groups like the ones in the OP I show no respect to, they don't respect the land or the local communities, don't expect it back basically.

[QUOTE=Glent;52253714]In regards to travellers - this isn't really relevant. You can be discriminatory on more grounds than just race. Membership of the traveller community is one such ground. Yes, he used the term racist, but that's really just nomenclature - it doesn't diminish his point if you change it to say "Why is it okay to discriminate towards them?"[/QUOTE] I was responding to the entire "that's racist!!!!" logic which is fucking moronic because this isn't about race. This is about a bunch of trespassing cunts being trespassing cunts. Pretty sure there's no physical difference between an Irishman and an Irishman who parks his caravan on land he doesn't own.

[QUOTE=Doozle;52251022]Aah travellers, the last group of people it's acceptable to hate...[/QUOTE] Brand me racist, but the way gypsies behave they are literally pests and the scum of Earth. Source: my father rents out cottages to some of these pricks.

[QUOTE=kilerabv;52253399]Romani dont like the term gypsy not because it's a slur, but because they dont want to be assosiated with these people.[/QUOTE] In Portugal, they're called "Cigano"(which directly translates to gypsy), they call themselves that too, so that's not entirely true.

Had to go on a rescue mission to pick up relatives from this school. Ended up spending 3 hours in a queue.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52254130]I was responding to the entire "that's racist!!!!" logic which is fucking moronic because this isn't about race. This is about a bunch of trespassing cunts being trespassing cunts. Pretty sure there's no physical difference between an Irishman and an Irishman who parks his caravan on land he doesn't own.[/QUOTE] What I mean is that it doesn't matter if it's racist or not, you can still discriminate against people and not have it be about race. So yes, calling travellers gypos or pykies can be just as derogatory as calling black folk niggers or Jewish people kikes, even if travellers aren't a race.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52253482]Can't leech off of welfare and be taken care of in your olden days if your kids get the fuck away from you and break off the cycle.[/QUOTE] Plus no one to help you with your drug dealing. It's pretty sad that actual parents do this. [editline]21st May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Glent;52253714]You don't need to feel strongly one way or the other, but you shouldn't be angry about a whole group of people. You can still be angry at the criminals, and you can be angry at the law for not prosecuting them properly, or at the education system for not educating them properly, but you shouldn't hate an entire group of people because of what some of them do.[/QUOTE] I'm not angry at a whole group of people. That would signify that I deal with every single one of them every single day, which I don't. Heck, I'm not even angry at them right now, nor was I the day before. The same way they probably aren't angry at me. In reality, the people who peddle that narrative of "you shouldn't be angry/racist/whatever at X" seem to give more of a shit than the people who complain about them, since you make it sound like we're throwing knives at a paper cut out with the word gypsy written on it. You also seem to give them more of a shit than other people who aren't up to any good because they are a minority. I'm about as mad at them as I am at white people who do the exact same. I don't even know if it was gypsies who robbed my house or if it was white people, and actually, I'm more inclined to believe it was white people. So why shouldn't I hate, for example, the ones that deal drugs next to the highway over here just as much as the people in the messed up neighbourhoods in Lisbon who will steal your shit if you happen to cross paths with them? Because they are a minority, suddenly you have to do the exact same as the police and not be able to do a thing to them because "victims"? But then again, why can't we be mad at gypsies, of the specific kind that steals and fucks things up, just like how people can be mad at white people, particularly the people who engage in criminal activity? Which I would guess, is the reason why people generaly use the traveller label, for having a nomadic lifestyle that doesn't mixes well with the cultures they interact with, instead of straight out gypsy. Especially when there are more kinds of travellers than just "gypsy travellers"

there's no choice in having your skin a certain colour, but there's choice in whether you wanna live in a house and pay taxes or live in a shitty caravan and force everyone else to pay more tax to clean up your shit, pikeys are pikeys

Oh trust me guys, worse things happen when travellers settle down somewhere. They've been plaguing territories around my family's country house for [b]20 years[/b]. 2 of my bikes and a mobile phone were stolen by them so far, not even counting thefts from my neighbour's properties.

[QUOTE=Rolond Returns;52255124]there's no choice in having your skin a certain colour, but there's choice in whether you wanna live in a house and pay taxes or live in a shitty caravan and force everyone else to pay more tax to clean up your shit, pikeys are pikeys[/QUOTE] Actually if you're born into poverty you don't have much other choice than to make do with what you got. Getting a job, a house and becoming a tax payer is tougher than you think, and especially if you're part of a minority who are villified and discriminated by society to begin with. It only breeds more resentment and hate and solves nothing, and this thread is not giving me a positive outlook on the issue. What's so wrong with wanting to live a nomadic lifestyle? Why do people have to own large swathes of land that they don't use? Why do people expect that their way and their society will and shall work for everyone, and why do they resent those that can't conform? I won't defend stealing, environmental destruction, or squatting on property that is in use. But you really can't expect people who have been oppressed for centuries to just suck it up and assimilate like that, while the hate continues. I think we should start giving the Roma, the Sinti and the Irish Travellers some proper autonomy instead of just chasing them from place to place. The article itself really shows how deep the xenophobia can go. Next to a school obviously isn't an ideal campsite, but the school chose to respond with such ridicilous security measures just because some strange folks who were looking for a place to live came too close.

As an American I can finally be glad about our obsession with guns, because these people would get shot so fast Not that that's justified, but people get shot for less on the daily [editline]21st May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=UnknownDude;52257301] The article itself really shows how deep the xenophobia can go. Next to a school obviously isn't an ideal campsite, but the school chose to respond with such ridicilous security measures just because some strange folks who were looking for a place to live came too close.[/QUOTE] Around my area, schools will go into lockdown for a person walking into the property, so relatively, I have to disagree

[QUOTE=Kylel999;52257433]As an American I can finally be glad about our obsession with guns, because these people would get shot so fast Not that that's justified, but people get shot for less on the daily [/QUOTE] yeah i could see gypsy intimidation being a hobby for some of the redder states if they ever came stateside

[QUOTE=CruelAddict;52254244]Brand me racist, but the way gypsies behave they are literally pests and the scum of Earth. Source: my father rents out cottages to some of these pricks.[/QUOTE] That's like me saying Jews suck because all the worst Hasidic cocksuckers show up at my mother's car lot and act all misogynistic. Its not that they all suck, it's that the "some" you deal with suck. That doesn't make you racist, it just makes you dumb

These are the one group of people I think it's acceptable to use force against to protect yourself and your property. If they won't be bound by our laws, they shouldn't have our rights. [editline]21st May 2017[/editline] By "group" I mean the disruptive, abusive and destructive types. The ones who are happy to keep to themselves or at least show some respect I don't have a problem with.

[QUOTE=Kylel999;52258033]That's like me saying Jews suck because all the worst Hasidic cocksuckers show up at my mother's car lot and act all misogynistic. Its not that they all suck, it's that the "some" you deal with suck. That doesn't make you racist, it just makes you dumb[/QUOTE] Doesn't really make him dumb when you compare a small minority of Jews to an overwhelming majority of gypsies

[QUOTE=UnknownDude;52257301]Actually if you're born into poverty you don't have much other choice than to make do with what you got. Getting a job, a house and becoming a tax payer is tougher than you think, and especially if you're part of a minority who are villified and discriminated by society to begin with. It only breeds more resentment and hate and solves nothing, and this thread is not giving me a positive outlook on the issue. What's so wrong with wanting to live a nomadic lifestyle? Why do people have to own large swathes of land that they don't use? Why do people expect that their way and their society will and shall work for everyone, and why do they resent those that can't conform? I won't defend stealing, environmental destruction, or squatting on property that is in use. But you really can't expect people who have been oppressed for centuries to just suck it up and assimilate like that, while the hate continues. I think we should start giving the Roma, the Sinti and the Irish Travellers some proper autonomy instead of just chasing them from place to place. The article itself really shows how deep the xenophobia can go. Next to a school obviously isn't an ideal campsite, but the school chose to respond with such ridicilous security measures just because some strange folks who were looking for a place to live came too close.[/QUOTE] That attitude is why we are where we are. Because nothing comes out of thin air. You can't expect to get the same treatment as everyone else who pays their taxes when you're stealing from people and not paying a dyme for the services you need in your daily life. The rest of the world works one single way, and you can't just come in and make it work the way you want just because people don't like you. What would people do if I suddenly started selling drugs and stealing? Oh wait, but I don't nees it, but hey, since they're poor, they got a green card for it. Would you like to have your stuff, including land that is rightfully yours, taken away just because "fuck you thats why"? Seriously, that almost sounds like the" you're a cis male, so you're given everything " mentality some people have.