Carjackers kill man infront of family because they couldn't drive stick - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51949979]Lol no they aren't. Manual cars are generally far more reliable than any electronic nanny autotragic.[/QUOTE] So far all of my friends manuals have broken down at some point while my automatic remains strong.

[QUOTE=duckmaster;51950054]So far all of my friends manuals have broken down at some point while my automatic remains strong.[/QUOTE] I just shelled out $2,000 for a rebuilt transmission for my truck. Your friends don't treat their cars well do they?

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51950073]I just shelled out 2 grands for a rebuilt transmission for my truck. Your friends don't treat their cars well do they?[/QUOTE] They treat them about the same as I treat my car which is typical none car guy maintenance .

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51949979]Lol no they aren't. Manual cars are generally far more reliable than any electronic nanny autotragic.[/QUOTE] [citation needed] A transmission is a transmission. It can be shit or it can be good. Yeah, when you're buying some sub 2000 dollar shitbox that's more rust than car off of Craigslist, the automatics are slushboxes. That's part and parcel when you are buying beat to shit equipment from the 90s. When you're buying something new and decent, automatic versions of vehicles outperform manual counterparts in almost every way.

[QUOTE=Amplar;51949266]These people are too stupid to do things legally, let alone figure out a manual transmission. Also, driving stick is not easy.[/QUOTE] its literaly right foot out, left foot in, engage gear with gear knob, left foot out and right foot back in again how is that hard [editline]12th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=duckmaster;51950054]So far all of my friends manuals have broken down at some point while my automatic remains strong.[/QUOTE] In nearly 55 years, my dad has had like 6 different cars, some were pretty shit, and none needed a new transmission. Not even the cars that I drive like a lunatic need it. Probably because despite riding them hard, I still service it when needed.

I have no real preference either way

I wonder if armed carjackings are more likely to be deadly since you're statistically more likely to survive an armed robbery by relieving all your possessions, but can't in the situation where the robber can't actually steal the vehicle if they don't know how to drive stick.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51950154]No, we don't need to be making driving "easier", because "easier" translates to accessible, which translates to carelessness. The less you have to do while driving the more comfortable you feel, and the more you are inclined to be distracted by other things whether it's your phone, the scenery or people sitting next to you. Manuals keep your mind occupied and in-sync with the vehicle, you have to shift gears from time to time and clutch-break, knowing this you pay more attention to the road so as to know when to depress the clutch in preparation for a gear shift. It's not nearly the same in an Automatic where it's literally just press right to go fast, press left to slow down. Always Americans belligerently arguing against manuals.[/QUOTE] Complacency leads to hypovigilance. Also very ironic of someone to say "cars are automatic now, that's just how it is" as if "cars" are an American entity that exists nowhere outside of the USA

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;51950315]its literaly right foot out, left foot in, engage gear with gear knob, left foot out and right foot back in again how is that hard[/QUOTE] I imagine if you have never so much as been behind the wheel of a manual it would seem weird. Maybe it's different in your country, but over here the vast majority of consumer vehicles are automatic. [QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51949979]Lol no they aren't. Manual cars are generally far more reliable than any electronic nanny autotragic.[/QUOTE] Do you have anything to back this up? I believe you, but some kind of source would be nice. Everything I search for seems to be mostly opinion based.

Driving manual should be common knowledge. Still be able to own an automatic car but it should be common knowledge to atleast know how to drive manual. Imagine getting into some sort of situation where the only car available is a manual (however rare that situation may be) and you don't know how to drive it. eg going somewhere with a friend who owns a manual car, you go in their car, they get injured and can't drive, you're stuck there

So much for that theft deterrent argument. For real though, this is just one of those unfortunate life risks available to almost all of us, you can't always prevent tragedies. I certainly hope the perp comes to to realize he made up an absurd reason to shoot someone, and ultimately kill them (whether intentional or not.....as in maybe he hoped to just "cause damage"). I also hope he gets a very full sentence. I'm not sure if the death sentence is appropriate, as I need more context, but I certainly don't view this as a "25 years and life will go on, just parole them" type of crime. I believe in redemption, even from murders, but this is not one of those cases I'd be optimistic.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51949472]But it really, really is though. You press the third pedal down when you want to stop or change gear, slowly release it when you want to go. Everything else works exactly the same way. Unless you're one of the special breed who insist on having their feet on both the brake and gas at the same time. Then yeah, I could see why simply remembering to breathe could be considered a challenge. I'm still utterly at a loss as to how manual transmissions are apparently so elusive to a fair few Americans that it actually acts as a theft deterrent in some areas.[/QUOTE] I just wanted to say I learned to drive on a manual so this isn't a problem for me, but you mentioned the two feet thing, and I actually use both feet even when I'm driving an automatic. It just is what it is. It's more comfortable for me. I don't know how that makes me a mongoloid.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51949472]But it really, really is though. You press the third pedal down when you want to stop or change gear, slowly release it when you want to go. Everything else works exactly the same way. Unless you're one of the special breed who insist on having their feet on both the brake and gas at the same time. Then yeah, I could see why simply remembering to breathe could be considered a challenge. I'm still utterly at a loss as to how manual transmissions are apparently so elusive to a fair few Americans that it actually acts as a theft deterrent in some areas.[/QUOTE] One of the reasons I don't care for Stick is because most people who drive it seems to have this disgusting [I]"I'm so much better than you"[/I] attitude that's oozing off this post. It's like the BMW Driver stereotype up to 11, it's pretty gross.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51951297]One of the reasons I don't care for Stick is because most people who drive it seems to have this disgusting [I]"I'm so much better than you"[/I] attitude that's oozing off this post. It's like the BMW Driver stereotype up to 11, it's pretty gross.[/QUOTE] The difference is, by probability, they likely are better than you though. [editline]13th March 2017[/editline] It's cheaper too.

[QUOTE=J Paul;51951147]but you mentioned the two feet thing, and I actually use both feet even when I'm driving an automatic. It just is what it is. It's more comfortable for me. [/QUOTE] No one can stop you from doing that but it's generally a bad idea. While you're driving along you may put pressure on the brake pedal without thinking about it, meaning your brake lights are on, and you're wearing out your brakes unnecessarily. In the event of an emergency/crisis on the road, you may accidentally slam down both pedals. It's just an unnecessary habit. [editline]a[/editline] manual is imo straight up better than auto in every way unless you have one leg. Gives you more control over the car, if your brakes fuck up you can still slow down and stop the car by downshifting, and automatics (depending on the car of course) have a habit of being in the wrong gear at the wrong time sometimes.

Damn, this thread ruined my night kind of. Picturing the situation is just sad. A life got taken for literally no good reason. Same thing when people are mugged and killed for like $20 or something. Disgusting.

[QUOTE=clutch2;51951396]Damn, this thread ruined my night kind of. Picturing the situation is just sad. A life got taken for literally no good reason. Same thing when people are mugged and killed for like $20 or something. Disgusting.[/QUOTE] I know right. Imagine getting killed in front of your family over a damn car

[QUOTE=Araknid;51951323]No one can stop you from doing that but it's generally a bad idea. While you're driving along you may put pressure on the brake pedal without thinking about it, meaning your brake lights are on, and you're wearing out your brakes unnecessarily. In the event of an emergency/crisis on the road, you may accidentally slam down both pedals. It's just an unnecessary habit. [editline]a[/editline] manual is imo straight up better than auto in every way unless you have one leg. Gives you more control over the car, if your brakes fuck up you can still slow down and stop the car by downshifting, and automatics (depending on the car of course) have a habit of being in the wrong gear at the wrong time sometimes.[/QUOTE] Ah, I see. I've never pressed both pedals before, guess it's totally possible though. I just like to have my left leg there. My knee aches if it's in other positions so I keep it there. I've always had problems with my joints though. But yeah now that I think about it, to your point, I remember reading that one of the safety features in my car is that it'll completely kill the gas any time you press the brakes at the same time as the gas. So while I have never done that, I suppose if I did the car would keep me in check. Which goes to your point of having more control. Driving an auto is like driving an appliance, with features like the above mentioned, so I mean yeah, it's not at all the same experience.

I tried to learn how to drive a manual once. I never made it more than 10 feet before the car stopped moving. Try to move my foot off the clutch in the right way was like a "rub your head and pat your belly" type thing.

i drive an automatic because i dont want any more shit to fiddle with or change while i'm driving. i'm already focusing on my mirrors, my signaling, cars around me etc. i dont want to change gears and fuck with clutch peddles and shit when i can just press the gas to go and press the break to stop lol driving should be easy not a fetish

[QUOTE=Quark:;51951681]i drive an automatic because i dont want any more shit to fiddle with or change while i'm driving. i'm already focusing on my mirrors, my signaling, cars around me etc. i dont want to change gears and fuck with clutch peddles and shit when i can just press the gas to go and press the break to stop lol driving should be easy not a fetish[/QUOTE] I think it shouldn't be too easy. With your bog standard automatic it's easy to zone out. I drive a automatic, but it has a 'manumatic' mode. No clutch, the car attempts to stop you from breaking it and shifts down for you to prevent stalls. I almost exclusively drive in manumatic. So much smoother than automatic. I think the computer shifts stupidly in automatic. I think it's more about becoming one with the car instead of just thinking, as silly as it sounds.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51949472]But it really, really is though. You press the third pedal down when you want to stop or change gear, slowly release it when you want to go. Everything else works exactly the same way. Unless you're one of the special breed who insist on having their feet on both the brake and gas at the same time. Then yeah, I could see why simply remembering to breathe could be considered a challenge. I'm still utterly at a loss as to how manual transmissions are apparently so elusive to a fair few Americans that it actually acts as a theft deterrent in some areas.[/QUOTE] as a learner driver, my god learning to drive an auto would be INFINITELY easier than manual... but yeah, once you get used to it, it becomes second nature

[QUOTE=angelangel;51951955]as a learner driver, my god learning to drive an auto would be INFINITELY easier than manual... but yeah, once you get used to it, it becomes second nature[/QUOTE] I can relate to that as well since I'm taking driver lessons at the movement. The thing is I really want to push myself to learn to drive a manual even though it's not going too bad. My parents drive a manual like they always did, and if I were to have a license for an automatic car them I'd have a useless paper because I don't know anyone but my boss who lives outside the city and has an automatic transmission. Fun fact is that my mom has been only driving a manual in her life and I imagine she would be extremely confused if she would be confronted with an automatic transmission. For her it's really become second nature without actually thinking about it.

[QUOTE=Merijnwitje;51951967]I can relate to that as well since I'm taking driver lessons at the movement. The thing is I really want to push myself to learn to drive a manual even though it's not going too bad. My parents drive a manual like they always did, and if I were to have a license for an automatic car them I'd have a useless paper because I don't know anyone but my boss who lives outside the city and has an automatic transmission. Fun fact is that my mom has been only driving a manual in her life and I imagine she would be extremely confused if she would be confronted with an automatic transmission. For her it's really become second nature without actually thinking about it.[/QUOTE] I learned to drive on a manual and have been driving stick shift for nearly a decade now. That having been said, for regular day-to-day use, if the auto transmission on the car I'm interested in is known to be good, I'm going to be choosing that over the auto. Why? Because fucking stop-start rush hour traffic is a goddamn pain in the grits when you have a manual car. It's like trying to play Skrillex song on a goddamn Steinway. Yes, having manuals are fucking great when you can do a lovely smooth transition between gears with some fancy footwork and know exactly where you are on the rev-band range to pass someone (One thing I absolutely hated about a dinky little auto transmission car I test drove was the fact that the damned thing kept me waiting for when it was going to change gear while I was trying to overtake someone, which was a real fucking nightmare). Sure, if I ever decide to get a nice little sports car of my own as a Sunday drive thing, I'll be getting a manual. But for regular day-to-day driving with morning rush hour traffic, I'm going to go for a used shitbox that is easy as fuck to maintain auto transmission. Low premiums, minimal maintenance and just enough to get me from point A to B. I don't like the idea of taking out a loan or paying any sort of interest on what is a depreciating asset.

[QUOTE=Quark:;51951681]i drive an automatic because i dont want any more shit to fiddle with or change while i'm driving. i'm already focusing on my mirrors, my signaling, cars around me etc. i dont want to change gears and fuck with clutch peddles and shit when i can just press the gas to go and press the break to stop lol driving should be easy not a fetish[/QUOTE] except when you drive manual for a few days you already start to shift gears without thinking about it, it really isn't difficult. It's a common idea that 'driving manual just means there's one more thing for you to think about' when really that's bullshit except for when you're learning to drive manual. but yeah its up to taste, no one can force you to drive manual if you don't want to. [editline]13th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Merijnwitje;51951967] I imagine she would be extremely confused if she would be confronted with an automatic transmission.[/QUOTE] lol, my car is a manual but earlier today I took my dads car (which is an auto) and the first thing I did when I got in was move my left foot to push down the non-existent clutch. Felt so unusual to be driving around and just have my two hands on the steering wheel without having to take a hand off.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;51951319]The difference is, by probability, they likely are better than you though. [editline]13th March 2017[/editline] It's cheaper too.[/QUOTE] Damn dude I honestly can't believe you would ever even consider writing this in public How can you possibly say that manual people are "better" than non-manual people. I'm having a stroke trying to comprehend how you can possibly believe this.

[QUOTE=geel9;51959724]Damn dude I honestly can't believe you would ever even consider writing this in public How can you possibly say that manual people are "better" than non-manual people. I'm having a stroke trying to comprehend how you can possibly believe this.[/QUOTE] It's not rocket science lmao. If you know how to handle a stick shift, you can drive anything. If you were born in the generation of automatic emergency brakings, you shouldn't be allowed to drive anything older than 2011 if you don't want to drive a manual car.

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51959763]It's not rocket science lmao. If you know how to handle a stick shift, you can drive anything. If you were born in the generation of automatic emergency brakings, you shouldn't be allowed to drive anything older than 2011 if you don't want to drive a manual car.[/QUOTE] He wasn't responding to a post that said they were claiming to be better [i]drivers[/i]. They were responding to a post that insinuated that stick drivers [i]felt superior as people[/i] and he responded affirming it.

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51959763]It's not rocket science lmao. If you know how to handle a stick shift, you can drive anything. If you were born in the generation of automatic emergency brakings, you shouldn't be allowed to drive anything older than 2011 if you don't want to drive a manual car.[/QUOTE] Is this the part where a trucker comes in and starts acting smug because he can properly double clutch? You know, because they drive stuff with so much torque they can't have syncros. Get off your high horse.

[QUOTE=Araknid;51952604] lol, my car is a manual but earlier today I took my dads car (which is an auto) and the first thing I did when I got in was move my left foot to push down the non-existent clutch. Felt so unusual to be driving around and just have my two hands on the steering wheel without having to take a hand off.[/QUOTE] I do the same thing if I'm ever in an auto vehicle. My foot goes looking for the clutch and then I'm going to move the shift lever. Then it's like "oh wait a second I don't have to do that." Granted I've been driving stick for nearly 12 and a half years, so it's all muscle memory. It does feel weird on the rare occasion I'm in a vehicle that doesn't require me to manually shift gears. [QUOTE=Quark:;51951681]i drive an automatic because i dont want any more shit to fiddle with or change while i'm driving. i'm already focusing on my mirrors, my signaling, cars around me etc. i dont want to change gears and fuck with clutch peddles and shit when i can just press the gas to go and press the break to stop lol driving should be easy not a fetish[/QUOTE] As others have mentioned, it's not like that at all once you're over the initial learning curve. At the end of the day I say just drive whatever you prefer, it makes no difference to me. But operating a MT doesn't add an extra layer of distraction on top of everything once you're used to it. It's all muscle memory and it's no different than having the vehicle shift for you. The only time it can get old real quick is if you're stuck in heavy stop and go traffic. Having to constantly modulate the clutch, or being stuck in between gears can be annoying. At least where I live that doesn't happen too much on my driving routes. On topic: I can't imagine being in that situation. That's incredibly awful.