Google home is playing advertisments for Beauty and the Beast - Sensationalist Headlines

It's like a low budget black mirror episode.

[QUOTE=TheRealFierce;51972296]Oh boy, I can't wait until this becomes a reality. [t]https://c.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/sonyadpatent_2.jpg[/t] "Open the doors, Google Home." "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. Not until you hear about the $1 value meal, only at McDonald's."[/QUOTE] Reminds of the Black Mirror episode, Fifteen Million Merits. Where people live in small rooms and have advertisements played to them on a regular basis. If they close their eyes or block their view of the adverts (which are played through screens on all 4 of the walls) the walls go red with the words "RESUME VIEWING" are displays and repeated until the view unblocks their view.

[QUOTE=srobins;51972012]:huh: Not to put Google on a pedestal but I would expect a better response than this shlock.[/QUOTE] their response statement is even a ad for beauty and the beast "the beauty" "be our guest" [video=youtube;afzmwAKUppU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afzmwAKUppU[/video] a thinly veiled "fuck you i dont care"

I don't think it's that bad of an idea, I mean what if you were going to watch that movie and forgot about it, Google just reminded you. At the same time though I think Google could make everyone happy by having these little ads as an option that's off by default.

You know, if I had one of these assistants (Which I wouldn't in the first place because always-on microphone) I'd be more willing to pay a small $4.99/mo fee to not have any ads. [editline]17th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51972659]That's just internet of things done badly ie intransparent, closed source, acting with assumed (rather than explicit) consent of the user. Internet of things with proper security, open source, easy to understand/program, opt in only rather than opt out of bs from services. Iot can be great don't let bad and greedy implementation salt the well. Imagine having stuff in your house act exactly as you wanted. 'jarvis put on ironman' the lights dim, the Venetian blinds close up, the tv turns on. 'would you like a drink sam?' 'yes oj and preheat the oven to 200 on please, I have a guest later' With iot and available apis you could program all this stuff to happen, your Alexia will be able to do all that stuff, close your Windows at night, make sure you don't leave a tap running or oven on. a step in the right direction would be to sell the device and ship it with replaceable firmware, like I can install different operating systems on my desktop or different internet browsers- I think it's also imperative for those things to be open source. Then if Google want to give you some out of the box service with ask their creepy tracking vs they can but you as a consumer have the power to choose.[/QUOTE] Hence why I'd just go ahead and build/code my own at this point, any digital assistant without open source code is just waiting for a NSA backdoor. [URL="http://shodan.io/"]Shodan.io[/URL] is a thing.

This is disappointing, but Google created their empire by selling ad space on their platforms. They've at least tried it with every new thing they've ever made. It doesn't surprise me, but I hope they can see how annoying it is for a home assistant to have ads.

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;51973031]You know, if I had one of these assistants (Which I wouldn't in the first place because always-on microphone) I'd be more willing to pay a small $4.99/mo fee to not have any ads. [/QUOTE] 4.99 to remove ads is a small fee? Shit

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51974121]4.99 to remove ads is a small fee? Shit[/QUOTE] $4.99/mo is how much you pay for Netflix here in the US and Youtube Red is $10/mo. But yeah its mostly silly because all Alexa, Cortana, etc are are just a search engine (which you can access for free already) with some basic secretarial tasks with a TTS and STT engine slapped on the side.

With how invasive ads are getting its pretty amazing that companies still just don't get why people are blocking them more and more so they make them more and more invasive [editline]17th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;51973031]You know, if I had one of these assistants (Which I wouldn't in the first place because always-on microphone) I'd be more willing to pay a small $4.99/mo fee to not have any ads.[/QUOTE] holy fuck lmao were you paid by google to say this that 5$ a month adds up. What happens when you pay 10$ a month to one service to remove ads, 5$ to another, 5$ to yet another? Now you're paying 25$ a month just so you see less adverts, and they make way more money. It also shows them that advertising to annoy people into payments is effective. You know what they do? they make more things have more ad's so people pay them directly instead of getting it from advertisers. [editline]17th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;51974131]$4.99/mo is how much you pay for Netflix here in the US and Youtube Red is $10/mo.[/QUOTE] But you're getting a service out of that 5$ a month you're getting something of actual substance. Netflix gives you video streaming and Red gives you video services. a paid product like this shouldn't have huge fee's hidden behind it.

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;51974131]$4.99/mo is how much you pay for Netflix here in the US and Youtube Red is $10/mo. But yeah its mostly silly because all [B]Alexa[/B], Cortana, etc are are just a search engine (which you can access for free already) with some basic secretarial tasks with a TTS and STT engine slapped on the side.[/QUOTE] Alexa exists to get you to buy more shit on Amazon

[QUOTE=J!NX;51974138]With how invasive ads are getting its pretty amazing that companies still just don't get why people are blocking them more and more so they make them more and more invasive [editline]17th March 2017[/editline] holy fuck lmao were you paid by google to say this that 5$ a month adds up. What happens when you pay 10$ a month to one service to remove ads, 5$ to another, 5$ to yet another? Now you're paying 25$ a month just so you see less adverts, and they make way more money. [editline]17th March 2017[/editline] But you're getting a service out of that 5$ a month you're getting something of actual substance. Netflix gives you video streaming and Red gives you video services. a paid product like this shouldn't have huge fee's hidden behind it.[/QUOTE] In my above post yeah I reconsidered how ludicrous my suggestion is, but I wanna see the finances broken down to drive Google to include ads on a product that's bought.

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;51974159]Alexa exists to get you to buy more shit on Amazon[/QUOTE] Yeah that's what's troubling about this type of thing. What does it actually [I]do[/I]? Like there was a user who said ideally it could be used to dim the lights, start a movie for you, preheat the oven, tell you the news and traffic info, etc. But I mean, what am I supposed to do with my life, sit there and watch everything happen automatically? I feel like I would rather just get up and turn the oven on, walk over to the light switch, thumb through my own phone for memes and news headlines. Otherwise I'd have nothing to do really.

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;51973031]You know, if I had one of these assistants (Which I wouldn't in the first place because always-on microphone) I'd be more willing to pay a small $4.99/mo fee to not have any ads.[/QUOTE] If I paid 200 dollars for a device that later began playing me ads I would be considering class-action possibilities.

I dunno if it's been stated in this thread yet, but the backlash worked, [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1557026"]Google pulled the ad.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Gamerman12;51972143]i mean to be fair, this isn't the worst crime google's ever commited, or hell any tech company. i don't know if you guys have smart tvs, but nearly every TV has ads in the main menus. this isn't that far off from it. the follow up statement explains the situation much better. i don't think googles in the wrong, and even if they are then they're responding to it by saying "that was a fuckup and we're gonna do better in the future." this tells me that it wasn't intended as an ad, because no company in their right mind would say their ad for another company was a fuck up, or else there would be no partnership between them again. so i'll say this. i dont understand why it's so bad to commercialize a product, and if someone could enlighten me on the matter that'd be great.[/QUOTE] Because people paid for a device under the assumption it wouldn't have adverts? Wouldn't you be a bit annoyed if your car started talking adverts to you? Or your smart fridge? Or literally anything you didn't expect to have adverts on? I get that there's a lot fewer, and less pervasive adverts in the UK than the US so this is perhaps a bit more of a shock to everyone not from the US [video=youtube;4SyetdjWMuw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SyetdjWMuw[/video] [editline]17th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=thrawn2787;51974159]Alexa exists to get you to buy more shit on Amazon[/QUOTE] I've had it for months and have never used it to buy stuff. Smart home control

[QUOTE=Trumple;51974601]crumpets[/QUOTE] Yep, I very much like how Britain does its television licensing. When I first heard about it, I thought it was ludicrous, but seeing its actual purpose really opened my eyes. If there were a bond measure or vote for it here in the US, I'd vote for it in a heartbeat.

[QUOTE=sam6420;51972451]Absolutely garbage. This is why I'm somewhat opposed to completely integrated technology (internet of things) that you can't control, never know when a company decides they want just a wee bit more money.[/QUOTE] I do wonder what will happen when a company that makes smart lights goes bust and their servers go offline. Millions of people fumbling around in darkness desperately trying to install "dumb" bulbs

[QUOTE=Trumple;51974621]I do wonder what will happen when a company that makes smart lights goes bust and their servers go offline. Millions of people fumbling around in darkness desperately trying to install "dumb" bulbs[/QUOTE] That's always been my concern, too. I love my 1970's chic old fashioned home, but if I ever went home automation, it'd be on a local server with access to the internet for remote applications so I'd have total control of its operation and security.

[QUOTE=Blanketspace;51972707]It's like a low budget black mirror episode.[/QUOTE] What if phones, but too much?

[QUOTE=DOCTOR LIGHT;51975136]What if phones, but too much?[/QUOTE] You've just been stabbed and robbed. You're trying to call for help, but first you have to sit through a 30 second unskippable ad at the lock screen. Once the phone's unlocked, you have to solve a captcha on the dialpad, and an audio ad plays before connecting your call. Your last moments on this earth are listening to how much GEICO can save you, press 5 to place your current call on hold and be connected to a sales agent now!

[QUOTE=Sonador;51975156]You've just been stabbed and robbed. You're trying to call for help, but first you have to sit through a 30 second unskippable ad at the lock screen. Once the phone's unlocked, you have to solve a captcha on the dialpad, and an audio ad plays before connecting your call. Your last moments on this earth are listening to how much GEICO can save you, press 5 to place your current call on hold and be connected to a sales agent now![/QUOTE] But it's all a dream that happened because you plugged your head into the internet and like nobody [I]reads[/I] anymore, man. And it's all society's fault [B]Written by Charlie Brooker[/B]

I wouldn't have one of these in my house if you paid me, it's no different than paying for a program loaded with invasive malware on your computer, I don't really see the point either unless you're so lazy you can't get off your ass and use a computer.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;51975240]I wouldn't have one of these in my house if you paid me, it's no different than paying for a program loaded with invasive malware on your computer, I don't really see the point either unless you're so lazy you can't get off your ass and use a computer.[/QUOTE] It's pretty nice being able to just speak a few words to get a full brief of your day (calendar events for the day, traffic information for your commute, weather and whatever else you enabled in the settings) ahead with the news, and start music on demand without lifting a finger. The Google Home is a pretty solid speaker in its own right, too.

[QUOTE=Trumple;51974621]I do wonder what will happen when a company that makes smart lights goes bust and their servers go offline. Millions of people fumbling around in darkness desperately trying to install "dumb" bulbs[/QUOTE] It's happened with smart thermostat companies before I believe. Bought up by a larger competitor for a stupid amount of money, with the buyer stating that they won't shut down the older service. Only for the buyer to stop supporting the bought companies products shortly after, essentially bricking them after they lose connection to the server. It's an issue of these devices being reliant on third party servers to keep functional. Ideally the IoT is meant to be a fully distributed platform, where each layer in the platform is fully independent to an extent, but augmented when connected. So the IoT in your PAN (on your body, in your car, etc.) will communicate fine. My phone could be aware that I am driving, redirecting calls to my in car radio, etc. The devices in your LAN (your house, business, etc.) would be able to interact with each other fine, and the devices in your PAN, so you could trigger events based on who enters the LAN by the devices on their person, etc. Or just have a central device in your house manage lighting, heating, etc. by itself. The devices in the WAN (the larger Internet) would be able to connect to your LAN via a gateway device, providing software updates directly, improving the accuracy of the predictive functions via cloud compute, providing third party functionality, etc. But the entire time your LAN would be able to drop off the WAN and function in a more limited capacity by itself. However this isn't happening, at least not yet, as there are no real standards in the IoT for companies who insist on making products. Any standards that do exist are being ignored (hence the weird insistence on bespoke, and therefore broken, security). And homes don't tend to have a central gateway device to ensure operations of the LAN if the WAN disappears. The IoT is a really, really powerful tool that could improve our quality of life dramatically. If we can do it right that is.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51983420]It's happened with smart thermostat companies before I believe. Bought up by a larger competitor for a stupid amount of money, with the buyer stating that they won't shut down the older service. Only for the buyer to stop supporting the bought companies products shortly after, essentially bricking them after they lose connection to the server. It's an issue of these devices being reliant on third party servers to keep functional. Ideally the IoT is meant to be a fully distributed platform, where each layer in the platform is fully independent to an extent, but augmented when connected. So the IoT in your PAN (on your body, in your car, etc.) will communicate fine. My phone could be aware that I am driving, redirecting calls to my in car radio, etc. The devices in your LAN (your house, business, etc.) would be able to interact with each other fine, and the devices in your PAN, so you could trigger events based on who enters the LAN by the devices on their person, etc. Or just have a central device in your house manage lighting, heating, etc. by itself. The devices in the WAN (the larger Internet) would be able to connect to your LAN via a gateway device, providing software updates directly, improving the accuracy of the predictive functions via cloud compute, providing third party functionality, etc. But the entire time your LAN would be able to drop off the WAN and function in a more limited capacity by itself. However this isn't happening, at least not yet, as there are no real standards in the IoT for companies who insist on making products. Any standards that do exist are being ignored (hence the weird insistence on bespoke, and therefore broken, security). And homes don't tend to have a central gateway device to ensure operations of the LAN if the WAN disappears. The IoT is a really, really powerful tool that could improve our quality of life dramatically. If we can do it right that is.[/QUOTE] It isn't happening because 1.) That enables functionality without the -need- for external servers- meaning if they wanted to shoehorn ads in (like this lol) they can't 2.) It would be much easier to copy their shit if you were a competitor

[QUOTE=Xieneus;51983220]It's pretty nice being able to just speak a few words to get a full brief of your day (calendar events for the day, traffic information for your commute, weather and whatever else you enabled in the settings) ahead with the news, and start music on demand without lifting a finger. The Google Home is a pretty solid speaker in its own right, too.[/QUOTE] Is it just me or does this just sound like absolute laziness? Looking up those things is such a non activity that I don't even think about it and spending a bunch of money just to be able to bring them up with your voice sounds like wasting money on laziness.

[QUOTE=Amakir;51983867]Is it just me or does this just sound like absolute laziness? Looking up those things is such a non activity that I don't even think about it and spending a bunch of money just to be able to bring them up with your voice sounds like wasting money on laziness.[/QUOTE] Not laziness, comfort. Not having to do that while having breakfast is delightful.

[QUOTE=Amakir;51983867]Is it just me or does this just sound like absolute laziness? Looking up those things is such a non activity that I don't even think about it and spending a bunch of money just to be able to bring them up with your voice sounds like wasting money on laziness.[/QUOTE] It's convenience Instead of having to reach for your phone/light switch/television remote/stereo system remote/etc. you just ask and it happens in the blink of an eye. I get a full brief of my day, the latest news, a light switch and my Spotify playlists on demand without moving a non-facial muscle. Some could call this laziness, but in an active lifestyle its very handy.

[QUOTE=Xieneus;51983962]It's convenience Instead of having to reach for your phone/light switch/television remote/stereo system remote/etc. you just ask and it happens in the blink of an eye. I get a full brief of my day, the latest news, my light switch and my Spotify playlists on without moving a muscle. Some could call this laziness, but in an active lifestyle its very handy.[/QUOTE] Heading out for work in the morning, forgot if you left a light on upstairs or something? "yo fucker turn all my lights off", sorted. Didn't even have to check that I'd left it on in the first place. Unsure if it's actually off? Check an app on your phone, blammo. Sat at your PC smashing it in some game or doing some work, but you're kinda hungry? "Hey shitheap, turn the oven on and tell me when it's hot". Oven is now on and pre-heating, and you didn't even have to drop your sick combo/ current task. Why shouldn't we strive to remove small, pointless tasks from our days so we can just get on with shit we actually want to do.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51983981]Heading out for work in the morning, forgot if you left a light on upstairs or something? "yo fucker turn all my lights off", sorted. Didn't even have to check that I'd left it on in the first place. Unsure if it's actually off? Check an app on your phone, blammo. Sat at your PC smashing it in some game or doing some work, but you're kinda hungry? "Hey shitheap, turn the oven on and tell me when it's hot". Oven is now on and pre-heating, and you didn't even have to drop your sick combo/ current task. Why shouldn't we strive to remove small, pointless tasks from our days so we can just get on with shit we actually want to do.[/QUOTE] Then the house slyly turns the lights back on once you're out to rack up a few extra pennies for your energy supplier.