[QUOTE=Charades;53134428]Because it's the topic? We're talking about a hashtag that aims to restore the image of 'gamers' from negative stereotypes. If I were in another topic outside of this then I'd spend my time talking about that issue.
Kind of evident my dude, lets not derail into what other groups do or whom truly deserves scrutiny.[/QUOTE]
I get that.
I'm saying why bother focusing on a group that isn't damaging over ones that are?
Personally, I got bullied for playing games as a kid. Felt fucking great. I don't want that to be a thing that continues, so yes, I do think your point that games still need to continue to be treated a certain way because of that subset of people(Who exist in all subcultures) is just wrong and kinda dumb IMO.
Gamers are good, except those pricks who refuse to get on the objective.
Gamers aren't an oppressed group, or even a group at all really, but the word and being associated with it can have unfairly negative connotations with a lot of people.
I'm a fairly tech-friendly city, but while looking for flat shares recently I've had 3 separate groups ask if I was "a gamer", under the impression that if I did I must be an asshole, or have mysoginistic and/or right wing biases tucked away. It's such an odd and specific concern for several people to have that I think there's a good reason to want to break the stigma.
"He plays videogames a lot, surely he's an evil Nazi that hates minorities" some of the kind of viewpoints from the people who argue against this hashtag. Wish I was joking.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;53134357]identity politics is pretty cringy.
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Sorry to burst your little bubble but some of us rely on identity politics to remain safe. When no established groups give a flying fuck about you, you kind of need to create your own.
"Gamers are awful people" -Same people that are specifically in gaming journalism presumably because they play games or have an interest in them, and hence, are gamers, and make articles constantly about how women should be accepted in the same gaming culture they call shitty
:thinking:
[QUOTE=zanahorowa;53134559]"Gamers are awful people" -Same people that are specifically in gaming journalism presumably because they play games or have an interest in them, and hence, are gamers, and make articles constantly about how women should be accepted in the same gaming culture they call shitty
:thinking:[/QUOTE]
Most gaming journalists are in it because you don't need any real qualifications for it and they'd never be accepted in 'real' journalism, not because they like games. Even piss rags like the Daily Mail wouldn't take most games journalists.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;53134467]I get that.
I'm saying why bother focusing on a group that isn't damaging over ones that are?
Personally, I got bullied for playing games as a kid. Felt fucking great. I don't want that to be a thing that continues, so yes, I do think your point that games still need to continue to be treated a certain way because of that subset of people(Who exist in all subcultures) is just wrong and kinda dumb IMO.[/QUOTE]
Like I've said, it's a matter of prevalence. Bad apples exist in all subcultures, but does it affect their pastime to the extreme that we've seen in gaming? I seriously doubt it.
It's also extremely damaging for everyone at the receiving end of it, we're not in a vacuum so all the racism and sexism is inevitable reaching people that are affected by it. Those same people are the ones that perpetuate the negative stigmas behind the word "gamer". People are going to shit on this hashtag because their experiences with other gamers usually come from playing games and if those experiences are like mine then 90% of the time they'll be looking to turn off voice chat or do a constant game of whack-a-mole by muting people.
If dealing with a subset becomes the majority of your experience then I don't see the danger in pointing out that the negative stereotypes have been rightly earned.
[QUOTE=zanahorowa;53134559]"Gamers are awful people" -Same people that are specifically in gaming journalism presumably because they play games or have an interest in them, and hence, are gamers, and make articles constantly about how women should be accepted in the same gaming culture they call shitty
:thinking:[/QUOTE]
I mean I like video games more than any other person I know but I think it's fine to criticize the fanbase sometimes.
[QUOTE=Charades;53134604]Like I've said, it's a matter of prevalence. Bad apples exist in all subcultures, but does it affect their pastime to the extreme that we've seen in gaming? I seriously doubt it.
It's also extremely damaging for everyone at the receiving end of it, we're not in a vacuum so all the racism and sexism is inevitable reaching people that are affected by it. Those same people are the ones that perpetuate the negative stigmas behind the word "gamer". People are going to shit on this hashtag because their experiences with other gamers usually come from playing games and if those experiences are like mine then 90% of the time they'll be looking to turn off voice chat or do a constant game of whack-a-mole by muting people.[/QUOTE]
I've dealt with that shit too, it's not going anywhere, like I said, it's a result of having that many people interested in a subculture. It's an unfortunate reality, but the stigma around gaming is worse than sports fans.
You won't get asked if you're a vancouver canucks fan, even though we had a riot that cost us over a billion dollars for losing because people are shit.
But apparently you will get branded if you admit to being a gamer. The stereotype exists and is reinforced through media, and through games itself unfortunately but it isn't something I would say defines the group.
For instance, I would never play squads in a game like PUBG, and let the game give me a squad. But I regularly hop into a discord with a few thousand people on it, and play games with them. The amount of bad people I've met in that can be counted on one hand. So, it's all about where we're percieving these things from.
I'm just not a fan of pushing the stigma further. Gaming, and anyone who enjoys gaming, doesn't deserve that.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;53134606]I mean I like video games more than any other person I know but I think it's fine to criticize the fanbase sometimes.[/QUOTE]
Except instead of saying “gaming culture is at times toxic and needs to be more accepting” they take the “literally all gamers are awful people” angle. That’s what I find ironic. That they are a part of and want to be more inclusive, a group of people they generalize entirely as terrible people.
[QUOTE=zanahorowa;53134617]Except instead of saying “gaming culture is at times toxic and needs to be more accepting” they take the “literally all gamers are awful people” angle. That’s what I find ironic. That they are a part of and want to be more inclusive, a group of people they generalize entirely as terrible people.[/QUOTE]
And the "gaming culture is at times toxic and needs to be more accepting” standpoint isn't even one I disagree with. I just feel like I have to oppose on principle because they say it in such an obnoxious way.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;53134618]i am a gamer
i dont have [i]a[/i] life.
i live many.[/QUOTE]
*shows an image of 5 different shooty soldier main characters*
I thought gamers were dead.
i dont get how the term "gamer" can really be used to describe anything, gaming is one of the most popular forms of entertainment in the world and i don't think ive met a single person on the internet that doesnt play video games less than once a week.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;53134669]I thought gamers were dead.[/QUOTE]
They respawned.
This reeks of 'its OK to be white'. Especially since Mark kern started it. Identity politics over gaming is fucking dumb
Oh man, here we are again with the socio-political cock fights. Gamers are too broad a demographic to generalize and most of the conflicts surrounding this issue wouldn't exist if people didn't empty shotguns into the crowd to get back at a fringe faction standing within it.
[QUOTE=Jammymanrock;53134727]This reeks of 'its OK to be white'. Especially since Mark kern started it. Identity politics over gaming is fucking dumb[/QUOTE]
Aren't you participating in identity politics by implying this is a dogwhistle ala "It's Okay to be White" based on Mark Kern?
I am completely ignorant of the dude, but it seems that the message behind the hashtag is sincere
[QUOTE=FeartheMango;53134800]Aren't you participating in identity politics by implying this is a dogwhistle ala "It's Okay to be White" based on Mark Kern?
I am completely ignorant of the dude, but it seems that the message behind the hashtag is sincere[/QUOTE]
Idk, I'm not saying it based on his identity as a gamer or whatever but based on his words and actions (being pretty vocally anti-sjw)
He's trying to form a persecuted victim identity around people who play games, which I just can't help but feel is similar to the whole it's ok to be white thing.
I'm not saying he's a neo-nazi in disguise
[QUOTE=Lambeth;53134606]I mean I like video games more than any other person I know but I think it's fine to criticize the fanbase sometimes.[/QUOTE]
I agree - to add to your point, I don't see the point of moralizing a group as nebulous as gamers. I mean, who are you doing this for? You represent that group by your conduct, not by someone rubberstamping your group. Even if you did get such a 'seal of approval', it certainly doesn't give you a free pass when you do something wrong by just pointing to the "But gamers are good guys, I swear!" sign.
Want to make your biker homies proud? Be an excellent person that also rides a motorcycle. Similarly: Want to be a good gamer? Be an excellent person that also plays video games. Be the change you want to see in the world, so don't be a dick to other gamers.
[QUOTE=FeartheMango;53134127]
The Original tweet:
[img_thumb]https://preview.ibb.co/nHaSwS/20180215_125633.png[/img_thumb]
[Url=http://archive.is/hg6ll]Source2[/url][/quote]
oh, yeah, there's the problem
mark kern's the kinda person who-
[quote=Oh Boy, This Guy Again][t]https://i.imgur.com/pgCLN5Q.png[/t][/quote]
[URL="https://archive.is/j0Hf6"]archive.is link[/URL]
i can assure y'all, like a solid 91% of the 'drama' is just people shitting on kern because he's always been the "why won't girls have sex with me" kinda guy
Breaking news! There is good people, and bad people!
Heres an idea: do good, and don't toot your own horn. Do it for the good, not the publicity, no matter what.
People will give you shit no matter what either way so.
[QUOTE=cebceb44;53134893]oh, yeah, there's the problem
mark kern's the kinda person who-[/QUOTE]
What a loser.
Aren't gamers just... people who play video games? Why is there such a bizarre narrative against that by people who most likely play video games on a regular basis themselves? It just looks like self-hate to me.
[QUOTE=Boaraes;53135237]Aren't gamers just... people who play video games? Why is there such a bizarre narrative against that by people who most likely play video games on a regular basis themselves? It just looks like self-hate to me.[/QUOTE]
Seems like most of the shitstorm here is because Kern started the hashtag, and he's well...
Given that tweet above seems kinda' pathetic.
[editline]15th February 2018[/editline]
That said really 'people who play videogames' is too wide of a crowd to really pin down in any one way or another. Generally I have good experiences, so eh.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;53135256]the comedy comes in where people predominantly identify as gamers first over... everything else
its just a new way to make fun of self-serious dorks who take their hobby way too seriously[/QUOTE]
That's honestly not what this is at all and there are many people who take this whole "gamers are bad" thing extremely seriously.
There are many, many people who legitimately believe that all games are male power fantasies.
[QUOTE=phygon;53135260]That's honestly not what this is at all and there are many people who take this whole "gamers are bad" thing extremely seriously.
There are many, many people who legitimately believe that all games are male power fantasies.[/QUOTE]
Yeah these people definitely exist. I think they've kinda' been beaten back recently though. Overton window and all that. At least I haven't been hearing as much about them. Though there were some [I]really[/I] fun to watch hives of crazies back in the GG days, god the hours spent laughing at nutbar 'This is why gamers are misogynist manbabies pls follow my blog' shit, haha.
[QUOTE=froztshock;53135294]Yeah these people definitely exist. I think they've kinda' been beaten back recently though. Overton window and all that. At least I haven't been hearing as much about them. Though there were some [I]really[/I] fun to watch hives of crazies back in the GG days, god the hours spent laughing at nutbar 'This is why gamers are misogynist manbabies pls follow my blog' shit, haha.[/QUOTE]
I mean GG lost in all honesty. We lost that fight, we got a few websites to start disclosing shit, as well as youtubers but that was likely an eventuality anyways due to legal reasons.
GG is currently a mocked event/group in our recent history. Any time I see it brought up online outside of FP, it's remembered as a mysoginistic hate campaign that achieved nothing and was more descriptive of gamers as a whole than not.
[QUOTE=phygon;53135260]That's honestly not what this is at all and there are many people who take this whole "gamers are bad" thing extremely seriously.
There are many, many people who legitimately believe that all games are male power fantasies.[/QUOTE]
My ex was one of them, she and I did not see eye to eye on a lot of things when it came to videogames, such as Anita Sarkeesian deliberately skewing something to make it appear sexist. For example: there was some level in Hitman that allowed you to kill the women backstage at some strip club. She took umbrage to this after seeing some Anita Sarkeesian video on the thing that made the claim that players were 'rewarded' for this, but then I clarified that this was is in fact, not true; the game actually penalizes you for killing non-targets. She then tried to ask why it was that the women were allowed to be killed like this in the first place. To make my point and to show her this argument wasn't true either, I booted up the game I just shot a dude in the head and said "See, you can kill anyone - man or woman".
Boy, she did [I]not[/I] like that :v: - she ended up choosing to double down and it became an hours long thing where she, the anthropology major, was driving me absolutely fucking bonkers with trying to apply her thing onto videogames and it was life-draining.
After much bickering, it just became one of those topics that we never discussed - I don't discuss video games with her and she won't try to tell me why she hates them purely on the basis of what Anita Sarkeesian tells her about why she should be outraged by them.
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