YouTubers is now required to be approved partners before being able to use external links in cards - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;52728858]If you've got like somewhere in the ballpark of 10 videos of decent to better quality, you could link to one every once and in while on a relevant subreddit. I had a video hit like 2k views in a day because I linked to it on the fallout subreddit. (Note: don't over do this or you'll get hit regarding self promotion or something)[/QUOTE] it's a shame that none of my videos are good

[QUOTE=Mariobro;52729105]it's a shame that none of my videos are good[/QUOTE] Don't fool yourself, it's impossible to reach the lowpoint for a normal human being.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;52728612]So, small channels who use Patreon to fund their channel are completely fucked now?[/QUOTE] I think you guys are blowing things way out of proportion with thoughts like this. Becoming a Youtube partner is very easy. It's not like having a "verified" account or something, it's a point that any half-serious channel will reach very shortly. Basically, if your channel is small enough that you're not yet eligible for partnership, you probably don't have a big enough fanbase to be getting money from Patreon in the first place. Maybe you get donations due to some non-youtube work you do, like music or illustrations, but if that's the case, being able to make a link in a Youtube card is going to be a way lower priority for you anyway. Besides, [i]you can still put the Patreon link in the description of your video.[/i] This is such a minor feature change, and as always we have doomsayers coming in acting like it's the final death knell of Youtube.

[QUOTE=Mitsuma;52728586]Thats fun. If you are banned by adsense you can not use links at all then. :v:[/QUOTE] Ok so doesn't this mean that people who have been fucked by the algorithm can no longer link to their other income sources on their YouTube pages? Basically cutting the income of YouTubers who've already had their income cut?

Becoming a YouTube Partner didn't seem that hard when I was getting into YouTube years ago..

[QUOTE=Rossy167;52729248]Ok so doesn't this mean that people who have been fucked by the algorithm can no longer link to their other income sources on their YouTube pages? Basically cutting the income of YouTubers who've already had their income cut?[/QUOTE] This is just for the end of a video. It does not prevent you from using links in the description, comments or on your channel page. Not a big deal if you ask me, I never used them (and never will thanks to my adsense ban). As Loofiloo said above, some people blow it out of proportions. I personally don't see that many people actually using the link feature at the end of a video. Becoming a partner as in the bit you need for this is not hard.

[QUOTE=garychencool;52729313]Becoming a YouTube Partner didn't seem that hard when I was getting into YouTube years ago..[/QUOTE] Many people wrote that it was very hard to become a youtube partner, but I can't even remember how I became a youtube partner in the first place. Must've been around 2009 or something, I wonder how my 12 year old me did that.

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;52728763]Before going all hulk-mode on this; Is signing up to be a partner and gain access to linking just a formality or is it actually difficult?[/QUOTE] only requirement is that you need at least 10000 views on your channel. I have around 3000 views on my channel and I upload fuck all so it shouldn't be too hard

[QUOTE=NassimO PotatO;52728599]Man, YouTube is becoming more and more difficult and binding to use. Wonder if we'll get an alternative website at some point, probably not since they're to big to fail.[/QUOTE] whenever something is "too big to fail" it means that failure is inevitably not far off

I don't get why Youtube or some other video hosting site hasn't experimented with a monetisation model more like Twitch's. Optional paid subscriptions to channels you like. Maybe with the added bonus of some shitty emojis to use in the comment section. A straight up donation system in the same vein as bits. A lot of channels seem to use Patreon already, Youtube could easily get a cut of that by cutting out the middle man.

So are we going to bring back Stage6 yet? [editline]29th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Rufia;52729447]I don't get why Youtube or some other video hosting site hasn't experimented with a monetisation model more like Twitch's. Optional paid subscriptions to channels you like. Maybe with the added bonus of some shitty emojis to use in the comment section. A straight up donation system in the same vein as bits. A lot of channels seem to use Patreon already, Youtube could easily get a cut of that by cutting out the middle man.[/QUOTE] Because that makes sense and anytime youtube decides to change something, it's usually for the worst and ends up being counter productive to all content creators. [editline]29th September 2017[/editline] But it makes the shareholders rock hard and super rich so who cares right?

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52728620]Small channels are just fucked in general. If you're not already a big or medium-sized channel on YT, the likelihood of any sustainable growth is basically nill at this point unless you're willing to quit your day job and do nothing but gameplay videos 2-3 times a day, 7 days a week for at least a year or two while also being charming/funny/creative enough to retain any kind of actual audience - and that's assuming you're lucky enough to not get a single demonetised video in your entire run. YouTube is dead. Long live Twitch.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Svinnik;52728976]nah, if you're a new twitch streamer you have no chance of getting big unless you're extraordinarily entertaining, you're amazingly good at the games you play, or if you have nice tits/ass and show it off in low cut shirts. The only way to get big is to be friendly with an already big streamer so that they'll host your channel when they aren't streaming or tell their viewers to check you out.[/QUOTE] You're both right. YouTube is a dead dream and you're only going anywhere big with luck. You need so many unique people to regularly watch your content to make a good living on YT (assuming your videos aren't targeted by whatever the fuck evil genie works for YT) that it's unfeasible with how saturated the market has become. The YouTube bubble is finally bursting from both too many people all doing the same shit, too many hugely popular content creators sucking up potential markets and, [I]more importantly[/I], advertisement agencies beginning to treat YouTube like TV—demanding content be "appropriate" for their ads or they'll pull out of the system all together, regardless of whether that makes sense in the long term. I knew once YouTube got big enough it'd be crushed under the same bullshit that made TV largely boring and unwatchable in the US (everything must adhere to strict guidelines and plastered with commercials constantly). I don't even imagine YouTube as a free hosting site will exist in another ten years. That's not even getting into the fact that it's a financial black hole for Google. Twitch is YouTube from maybe 2 or 3 years ago right now. It's [I]possible[/I] to make it, especially by comparison to how many people you need to be successful on YT now, and Twitch is largely unobtrusive on content with some notable exceptions. Unfortunately it too is becoming over flooded with highly popular streamers and is already showing the same signs as Youtube with market saturation that creates an impossible hill for new streamers to climb. Let us also not pretend that as Twitch gets more popular it won't also eventually feel the weight of copy protection and advertisement agencies coming down on them just like YouTube (even if streamers don't rely on advertisements the way YouTubers do, let's not forget that Twitch [I]itself[/I] does—assuming Amazon will take the hit Google has is dangerous). Twitch [I]already[/I] has the unique struggle of convincing people to actually pay for your content, since subscribing requires payment and is how the majority of Twitch streamers will make their money. Convincing 200,000 people to watch your YouTube videos and convincing 2,000 people to subscribe on Twitch are tasks that are equally difficult but in different ways. The Twitch path is only marginally easier since you need far fewer people watching your content and statistically there's not going to be 7 million other people [I]also[/I] uploading/streaming the same shit you do. Even so, Twitch is still ridiculously hard to break into if you're completely solo and also not a hot girl (and even then many of the latter go nowhere). Even people that get hosted by major streamers won't have instant success, they won't even have passable success for a while. That's just the nature of entertainment that's very time demanding like Twitch—[I]"Why would I watch this person when my favorite streamer is on already?"[/I] is the bane of every streamer trying to make it (and every YouTuber for that matter) and there's not much you can do about it. I consider Twitch right on the precipice of that moment when the idea of actually becoming a professional streamer, much like being a professional YouTuber, is dead. It was all a fun ride while it lasted these past 7 or so years but the idea of doing online entertainment via YouTube and Twitch as your [I]career[/I] ([I]if[/I] you haven't already) is coming to an end. As a last note, while it's true that Patreon has become the golden light for many people trying to make it their career don't forget that this assumes they still [I]have[/I] the [I]free[/I] media hosting site to use, which is unlikely in the coming decade. [editline]29th September 2017[/editline] Hell, didn't even talk about the bag of dicks media DRM could become in the future too. I'm sure that will become the hot topic in the next 5 years.

[QUOTE=Axznma;52729484]You're both right. YouTube is a dead dream and you're only going anywhere big with luck. You need so many unique people to regularly watch your content to make a good living on YT (assuming your videos aren't targeted by whatever the fuck evil genie works for YT) that it's unfeasible with how saturated the market has become. The YouTube bubble is finally bursting from both too many people all doing the same shit, too many hugely popular content creators sucking up potential markets and, [I]more importantly[/I], advertisement agencies beginning to treat YouTube like TV—demanding content be "appropriate" for their ads or they'll pull out of the system all together, regardless of whether that makes sense in the long term. I knew once YouTube got big enough it'd be crushed under the same bullshit that made TV largely boring and unwatchable in the US (everything must adhere to strict guidelines and plastered with commercials constantly). I don't even imagine YouTube as a free hosting site will exist in another ten years. That's not even getting into the fact that it's a financial black hole for Google. Twitch is YouTube from maybe 2 or 3 years ago right now. It's [I]possible[/I] to make it, especially by comparison to how many people you need to be successful on YT now, and Twitch is largely unobtrusive on content with some notable exceptions. Unfortunately it too is becoming over flooded with highly popular streamers and is already showing the same signs as Youtube with market saturation that creates an impossible hill for new streamers to climb. Let us also not pretend that as Twitch gets more popular it won't also eventually feel the weight of copy protection and advertisement agencies coming down on them just like YouTube (even if streamers don't rely on advertisements the way YouTubers do, let's not forget that Twitch [I]itself[/I] does—assuming Amazon will take the hit Google has is dangerous). Twitch [I]already[/I] has the unique struggle of convincing people to actually pay for your content, since subscribing requires payment and is how the majority of Twitch streamers will make their money. Convincing 200,000 people to watch your YouTube videos and convincing 2,000 people to subscribe on Twitch are tasks that are equally difficult but in different ways. The Twitch path is only marginally easier since you need far fewer people watching your content and statistically there's not going to be 7 million other people [I]also[/I] uploading/streaming the same shit you do. Even so, Twitch is still ridiculously hard to break into if you're completely solo and also not a hot girl (and even then many of the latter go nowhere). Even people that get hosted by major streamers won't have instant success, they won't even have passable success for a while. That's just the nature of entertainment that's very time demanding like Twitch—[I]"Why would I watch this person when my favorite streamer is on already?"[/I] is the bane of every streamer trying to make it (and every YouTuber for that matter) and there's not much you can do about it. I consider Twitch right on the precipice of that moment when the idea of actually becoming a professional streamer, much like being a professional YouTuber, is dead. It was all a fun ride while it lasted these past 7 or so years but the idea of doing online entertainment via YouTube and Twitch as your [I]career[/I] ([I]if[/I] you haven't already) is coming to an end. As a last note, while it's true that Patreon has become the golden light for many people trying to make it their career don't forget that this assumes they still [I]have[/I] the [I]free[/I] media hosting site to use, which is unlikely in the coming decade. [editline]29th September 2017[/editline] Hell, didn't even talk about the bag of dicks media DRM could become in the future too. I'm sure that will become the hot topic in the next 5 years.[/QUOTE] Seriously? I don't really watch any other streamers than a couple. But a lot of youtubers who do it for a living only really got started in the past year. Contrapoints is one example. Also Hot Girl =/ a ticket to success on twitch. They might get a surge of views but it doesn't really last unless they have a personality/skillz too.

[QUOTE=Plaster;52729328]Many people wrote that it was very hard to become a youtube partner, but I can't even remember how I became a youtube partner in the first place. Must've been around 2009 or something, I wonder how my 12 year old me did that.[/QUOTE] I just went to test it, I got partnered in three seconds because apparently I have 10,000 total views.

[QUOTE=dx9er;52728610]I wonder if YouTube is going to fail at some point now or lose to a competitor. Fail? Probably not, but losing to a competitor might be possible.[/QUOTE] Depends on how you define success. Youtube isn't profitable, Google doesn't seem to mind.

[QUOTE=Mariobro;52729105]it's a shame that none of my videos are good[/QUOTE] They don't need to be amazing, just find vaguely interesting things. Also, I said 10 vids because you would just need to get 1k a piece (which is not [I]too[/I] difficult). Example in case of "I found a weird thing and posted it on reddit": [video=youtube;4JaBcmqqDms]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JaBcmqqDms[/video] 3k views and literally all I did was find a weird bug with a mod I didn't realize I had installed. The video's even got black borders to hell and back due to my wonk ass recording setup.

[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;52731884]They don't need to be amazing, just find vaguely interesting things. Also, I said 10 vids because you would just need to get 1k a piece (which is not [I]too[/I] difficult). Example in case of "I found a weird thing and posted it on reddit": [video=youtube;4JaBcmqqDms]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JaBcmqqDms[/video] 3k views and literally all I did was find a weird bug with a mod I didn't realize I had installed. The video's even got black borders to hell and back due to my wonk ass recording setup.[/QUOTE] I think one of my post popular random kid videos was when i shot someone through the wall and not through the wall in MW2 to show what FMJ did. Just putting the call of duty tags in a video got me like 4k views Side note: How long until we have to start comparing views with inflation in mind? VEVO channels get numbers we used call people "viral superstars" for getting.

[QUOTE=Qbe-tex;52731832]Reminder that both [URL="http://www.••••••••••••••••/us"]dailymotion[/URL] and [URL="https://vimeo.com"]vimeo[/URL] are, in my experience, fine alternatives. The biggest problem with them is that there are really very little recognizable people, and the few that there were either aren't there anymore or don't upload frequently? I remember atleast a few semi-popular youtubers having videos on dailymotion.[/QUOTE] Vimeo doesn't allow Let's play's at all.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52728620]Small channels are just fucked in general. If you're not already a big or medium-sized channel on YT, the likelihood of any sustainable growth is basically nill at this point unless you're willing to quit your day job and do nothing but gameplay videos 2-3 times a day, 7 days a week for at least a year or two while also being charming/funny/creative enough to retain any kind of actual audience - and that's assuming you're lucky enough to not get a single demonetised video in your entire run. YouTube is dead. Long live Twitch.[/QUOTE] I would like to object to this and say that it IS possible to establish yourself today, but it requires you to center yourself around certain communities and using them as launching pads for your career. And there is a brick wall where you can't really expand past without sacrificing a lot of integrity for constant streams of uploads.

[QUOTE=Qbe-tex;52731832]Reminder that both [URL="http://www.••••••••••••••••/us"]dailymotion[/URL] and [URL="https://vimeo.com"]vimeo[/URL] are, in my experience, fine alternatives. The biggest problem with them is that there are really very little recognizable people, and the few that there were either aren't there anymore or don't upload frequently? I remember atleast a few semi-popular youtubers having videos on dailymotion.[/QUOTE] Haha what the fuck dailymotion is still using flash? Even dumpert doesnt iirc. Really all people use dailymotion for is piracy tbh [QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52732401]Vimeo doesn't allow Let's play's at all.[/QUOTE] Vimeo is a good site but it's not intended as an alternative to Youtube. If you read how they present themselves, they're a completely different platform. It's not even really free, you can upload 500 mb a week for free, max 25gb a year, without paying. Also YouTubers like ad revenue, which Vimeo is VERY explicitly against as they pretty much promise to have no pre-roll and overlay ads ever.

[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;52731884]They don't need to be amazing, just find vaguely interesting things. Also, I said 10 vids because you would just need to get 1k a piece (which is not [I]too[/I] difficult). Example in case of "I found a weird thing and posted it on reddit": [video=youtube;4JaBcmqqDms]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JaBcmqqDms[/video] 3k views and literally all I did was find a weird bug with a mod I didn't realize I had installed. The video's even got black borders to hell and back due to my wonk ass recording setup.[/QUOTE] over 16k people watched me struggle with a tablet for some reason [QUOTE][video=youtube;GlvvPZvKJ5M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlvvPZvKJ5M[/video][/QUOTE] so i applied to be a youtube partner and now this video has earned me 3 dollars v:v:v

Ah so that's why they got rid of annotations?

[QUOTE=Coffee;52733025]Ah so that's why they got rid of annotations?[/QUOTE] They got rid of those because they were abused a lot, and most importantly, there wasn't really a way to reconcile the system with mobile.

[QUOTE=Dominic0904;52728590]Good thing I became a Partner when YouTube was small and they'd dish out the offer to everyone.[/QUOTE] It's even easier to become a partner now

[QUOTE=Coffee;52733025]Ah so that's why they got rid of annotations?[/QUOTE] They got rid of annotations because they didn't exist on mobile, and wanted to unify the desktop and mobile experience - cards do.