Hip-Hop/R&B Is The Dominant Genre In The U.S. For The First Time - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=elitehakor;52484016]4:44 better win a grammy. honestly best album and title track of 2017[/QUOTE] DAMN, Saturation, and Scum Fuck Flower Boy are all better albums. 4:44 is good, way better than MCHG, but there's already waaay better albums this year.

Hard to believe it's just now, I feel like it has been the biggest thing for as long as I can remember. I don't really like either that much but I kind of know all the big songs just by pure attrition of them being played everywhere, been like that for a while. Cool to know if it's your thing though, I guess.

DEHH recently released a good vid about this, so I think ill just add it to the thread here. Feel free to take it the videos section if you want to. [video]https://youtu.be/qKEVfMYRi8I[/video]

[QUOTE=Shirt.;52483645]I'd rather have something good blaring over the shop radios though.[/QUOTE] Your in the shops for how long? Most of the music they play in convenience stores has a good selection (at least over here), hell they even play 80-90's shit sometimes.

I'm a rock band and it's very hard to get anyone to see us. In my opinion, modern rock music should really try to focus on the performative aspects and being extremely energetic. Either way, it's not selling as much anymore. I'm in it for the artistry though, and if you aren't then you'll have a hard time feeling motivated. Shameless plug: [video=youtube;EA7H2yQr0Uo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA7H2yQr0Uo[/video]

[QUOTE=antair;52486045]In my opinion, modern rock music should really try to focus on the performative aspects and being extremely energetic.[/QUOTE](personal viewpoint) back in the 80's everything was big - stages were big, amplifiers were big, the whole damn show was big, even the hair was big. smaller bands tried to have some kind of a live show gimmick, and bigger groups and artists went absolutely balls out - even Motörhead, a band more gritty than a square mile patch of sand paper, had a bomber aircraft flying above the stage, not to mention bands like KISS and Dio. that's a spectacle, an audiovisual phenomenon that seeks to make the audience go "WOW!". there's an inherent excitement factor to that, and it's something that can be marketed. nowadays the trend seems to be minimalism, and it's been that way for a while. pop acts still do big stage productions, but if you're a rock musician getting on stage with anything other than the bare necessities, there's bound to be some sneering at "commercialism". this sort thing could be debated ad infinitum, but my take on it is that after grunge showed that you can rock without making things overly big, the spectacle thing hasn't really come back. of course there are exceptions, with Rammstein probably being the most prominent, and Ghost, and then there are old titans like Iron Maiden who still do their thing all cannons blazing. i'm in the thrash metal circles, and the lack of performative aspects and energy, as you put it, is very apparent there. i mean yes there is headbanging and all the usual stuff but overall the law of the land is, how do i put it, "plain clothes technicality" - everyone tries to write a more intricate riff or solo than the last guy, wank the tremolo arm a little more and sweep pick a bit faster, but that's impressive to guitar players, not to casual listeners. i've seen a lot of gigs where the only major difference between each band's live acts is the key they play in or how high the vocalist screams/growls. energy comes from the whole, not one individual part, and it seems these days the individual part is the guitarists' fingers. something as simple as bigger amplifiers would bring a lot more excitement to things, but who does that when you can just bring a solid state combo and produce the sound through digital means, not even needing much volume?

[QUOTE=Shirt.;52483645]I'd rather have something good blaring over the shop radios though.[/QUOTE] lol if you've listened to most of mainstream rock from about ~20 years ago, it's been pretty garbage. not that nothing good from that time has broken mainstream, but a good chunk of it has been pretty bad.

[QUOTE=elitehakor;52484016]4:44 better win a grammy. honestly best album and title track of 2017[/QUOTE] I would like to listen to it on spotify if it wasnt only available on fucking tidal. I doubt its as good as Damn.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;52486168](personal viewpoint) back in the 80's everything was big - stages were big, amplifiers were big, the whole damn show was big, even the hair was big. smaller bands tried to have some kind of a live show gimmick, and bigger groups and artists went absolutely balls out - even Motörhead, a band more gritty than a square mile patch of sand paper, had a bomber aircraft flying above the stage, not to mention bands like KISS and Dio. that's a spectacle, an audiovisual phenomenon that seeks to make the audience go "WOW!". there's an inherent excitement factor to that, and it's something that can be marketed. nowadays the trend seems to be minimalism, and it's been that way for a while. pop acts still do big stage productions, but if you're a rock musician getting on stage with anything other than the bare necessities, there's bound to be some sneering at "commercialism". this sort thing could be debated ad infinitum, but my take on it is that after grunge showed that you can rock without making things overly big, the spectacle thing hasn't really come back. of course there are exceptions, with Rammstein probably being the most prominent, and Ghost, and then there are old titans like Iron Maiden who still do their thing all cannons blazing. i'm in the thrash metal circles, and the lack of performative aspects and energy, as you put it, is very apparent there. i mean yes there is headbanging and all the usual stuff but overall the law of the land is, how do i put it, "plain clothes technicality" - everyone tries to write a more intricate riff or solo than the last guy, wank the tremolo arm a little more and sweep pick a bit faster, but that's impressive to guitar players, not to casual listeners. i've seen a lot of gigs where the only major difference between each band's live acts is the key they play in or how high the vocalist screams/growls. energy comes from the whole, not one individual part, and it seems these days the individual part is the guitarists' fingers. something as simple as bigger amplifiers would bring a lot more excitement to things, but who does that when you can just bring a solid state combo and produce the sound through digital means, not even needing much volume?[/QUOTE] ZZ Top had what 3 fucking people and they made it sound like a freight train. Classic rock is about sounding heavy but playing incredibly relaxed. I don't think modern rock artists seem to get this.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;52485866]Your in the shops for how long? Most of the music they play in convenience stores has a good selection (at least over here), hell they even play 80-90's shit sometimes.[/QUOTE] my local woolworths plays buddy holly all the time and i love buddy holly.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;52486168](personal viewpoint) back in the 80's everything was big - stages were big, amplifiers were big, the whole damn show was big, even the hair was big. smaller bands tried to have some kind of a live show gimmick, and bigger groups and artists went absolutely balls out - even Motörhead, a band more gritty than a square mile patch of sand paper, had a bomber aircraft flying above the stage, not to mention bands like KISS and Dio. that's a spectacle, an audiovisual phenomenon that seeks to make the audience go "WOW!". there's an inherent excitement factor to that, and it's something that can be marketed. nowadays the trend seems to be minimalism, and it's been that way for a while. pop acts still do big stage productions, but if you're a rock musician getting on stage with anything other than the bare necessities, there's bound to be some sneering at "commercialism". this sort thing could be debated ad infinitum, but my take on it is that after grunge showed that you can rock without making things overly big, the spectacle thing hasn't really come back. of course there are exceptions, with Rammstein probably being the most prominent, and Ghost, and then there are old titans like Iron Maiden who still do their thing all cannons blazing. i'm in the thrash metal circles, and the lack of performative aspects and energy, as you put it, is very apparent there. i mean yes there is headbanging and all the usual stuff but overall the law of the land is, how do i put it, "plain clothes technicality" - everyone tries to write a more intricate riff or solo than the last guy, wank the tremolo arm a little more and sweep pick a bit faster, but that's impressive to guitar players, not to casual listeners. i've seen a lot of gigs where the only major difference between each band's live acts is the key they play in or how high the vocalist screams/growls. energy comes from the whole, not one individual part, and it seems these days the individual part is the guitarists' fingers. something as simple as bigger amplifiers would bring a lot more excitement to things, but who does that when you can just bring a solid state combo and produce the sound through digital means, not even needing much volume?[/QUOTE] This is a huge part of it, actually. Beyonce and Kanye and the like are [I]incredible[/I] performers with fantastic, energetic, and exciting live shows - a lot of rock bands nowadays, even bigger ones like the Foo Fighters, can't even compete with the creativity and energy and spectacle that goes into a lot of live hip-hop shows. The takeover of "alternative rock" and the transformation/shift into indie/folk rock type shit has totally removed the spectacle from live rock music. Like, I saw the Head and the Heart, a band I enjoy (not rock, I know), and it was a bunch of guys playing guitars on a stage, nothing else whatsoever - kind of made me tired even though I like their music. Then I saw OutKast from the same distance away, packed into a mob, jamming the fuck out to an incredible live show with energy, visuals, and some great audience interaction. This is why hip-hop and EDM and the like are so popular, because they so often bring the spectacle - stuff that most rock (or alt-rock or rock derivative) bands don't even try anymore.

Can't spell crap without rap :^)

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;52483082]To speak to how they said "rock is no longer the top genre in terms of overall consumption" that's not surprising at all considering that finding good contemporary rock music is fucking difficult while classic rock and metal, which not everybody enjoys, have basically stayed dominant. Like it took me literal years to find a new post hardcore band that wasn't dead, which happened just this week. As much as I love rap and hip hop I would also like to see more people attempting to do novel things within other genres.[/QUOTE] Its pretty difficult to even find contemporary rock on the radio where I live. One of our stations folded and the other is about half classic rock when they do play music, but its just talk shows for most of the day. Meanwhile we have 3 pop country stations and one Texas Country station.

[QUOTE=Garry #2;52489569]Can't spell crap without rap :^)[/QUOTE] can't spell 'crock of shit' without 'rock hit'

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;52483082]To speak to how they said "rock is no longer the top genre in terms of overall consumption" that's not surprising at all considering that finding good contemporary rock music is fucking difficult while classic rock and metal, which not everybody enjoys, have basically stayed dominant. Like it took me literal years to find a new post hardcore band that wasn't dead, which happened just this week. As much as I love rap and hip hop I would also like to see more people attempting to do novel things within other genres.[/QUOTE] There's so much Post-Hardcore and Punk that's still alive tho!

[QUOTE=.Isak.;52487440]This is a huge part of it, actually. Beyonce and Kanye and the like are [I]incredible[/I] performers with fantastic, energetic, and exciting live shows - a lot of rock bands nowadays, even bigger ones like the Foo Fighters, can't even compete with the creativity and energy and spectacle that goes into a lot of live hip-hop shows. The takeover of "alternative rock" and the transformation/shift into indie/folk rock type shit has totally removed the spectacle from live rock music. Like, I saw the Head and the Heart, a band I enjoy (not rock, I know), and it was a bunch of guys playing guitars on a stage, nothing else whatsoever - kind of made me tired even though I like their music. Then I saw OutKast from the same distance away, packed into a mob, jamming the fuck out to an incredible live show with energy, visuals, and some great audience interaction. This is why hip-hop and EDM and the like are so popular, because they so often bring the spectacle - stuff that most rock (or alt-rock or rock derivative) bands don't even try anymore.[/QUOTE] Last year a radio station in my state had a Disturbed and Breaking Benjamin concert and opened by Saint Asonia and Alter Bridge, the visuals were fucking amazing. Fire and lights everywhere. Modern/alternative rock can have great visuals.

[QUOTE=antair;52486045]I'm a rock band and it's very hard to get anyone to see us. In my opinion, modern rock music should really try to focus on the performative aspects and being extremely energetic. Either way, it's not selling as much anymore. I'm in it for the artistry though, and if you aren't then you'll have a hard time feeling motivated. Shameless plug: [video=youtube;EA7H2yQr0Uo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA7H2yQr0Uo[/video][/QUOTE] Hahaha what the fuck you're in this band? I saw you guys play Rebel Lounge a few months ago, I think it was a show with Sink or Swim? How funny!

[QUOTE=srobins;52491111]Hahaha what the fuck you're in this band? I saw you guys play Rebel Lounge a few months ago, I think it was a show with Sink or Swim? How funny![/QUOTE]i ran into a danish Facepuncher and his band on an European tour somewhere in goddamn Czech Republic small world

I've been meaning to get into hiphop for year as but never really knew where to start. No friends of mine were ever into it.

[QUOTE=Sepia Gnome;52499944]I've been meaning to get into hiphop for year as but never really knew where to start. No friends of mine were ever into it.[/QUOTE] If you turn on PMs I'll send you some stuff!

[QUOTE=Sepia Gnome;52499944]I've been meaning to get into hiphop for year as but never really knew where to start. No friends of mine were ever into it.[/QUOTE] There's so much hip-hop music and so much of a range, it really just depends where you wanna kick it off. Classics, modern, boom-bap, bling era, g-funk, etc,.? If you want a list of good albums/artists to check out, PM me. I'm always down to curate a list for people who want to get into the genre.

[QUOTE=Sepia Gnome;52499944]I've been meaning to get into hiphop for year as but never really knew where to start. No friends of mine were ever into it.[/QUOTE] google hopsin

[QUOTE=Sepia Gnome;52499944]I've been meaning to get into hiphop for year as but never really knew where to start. No friends of mine were ever into it.[/QUOTE] look up Tech N9ne nintendo mashups

[QUOTE=Swiket;52500192]google hopsin[/QUOTE] hopsin is simply dust compared to the genius of riff raff

[QUOTE=QuinnithXD;52490380]There's so much Post-Hardcore and Punk that's still alive tho![/QUOTE] I'm pretty picky and don't like the screaming side of post hardcore which was always more popular imo. I like the more experimental bands like Circa Survives old stuff, Closure in Moscow, etc. The group I recently discovered is Artifex Pereo, which kicks ass. And yeah you're right! Punk is still quite alive, though not to my own tastes.

[QUOTE=antair;52486045]I'm a rock band and it's very hard to get anyone to see us. In my opinion, modern rock music should really try to focus on the performative aspects and being extremely energetic. Either way, it's not selling as much anymore. I'm in it for the artistry though, and if you aren't then you'll have a hard time feeling motivated. Shameless plug: [video=youtube;EA7H2yQr0Uo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA7H2yQr0Uo[/video][/QUOTE] Maybe it's hard for you to get attention because your music is bland

Underground hip-hop is thriving right now - guys under 30 getting rich without labels. Pouya and Lil Pump have each both bought and crashed a Porsche in 2017. $uicideboy$ broke 7 figures running their own small label, selling merch and touring across the world. SHWB is and will stay rich, they've gotten to the point where they sell high quality designer merchandise, like their own brand of sneakers and boots, along with thousands of shirts, hats, and beanies. FTP and Gnarcotic have both made a shit load of money off of rappers wearing their clothes, like the FTP shirts and hats and Tri-Camo pants. $300 for a pair of god damn camo pants. Jesus. But it just goes to show, its a bustling industry and a lot of people are making a lot of money doing hip hop.