YouTube Hiring For Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit says - Sensationalist Headlines

I don't quite understand what motivates this: companies are literally breaking the law and putting themselves at risk for massive lawsuits and fines over EEO violations in order to hire less white people, why? What is the incentive? Is it just a highly political environment in the world of human resources, and you have delusional people making huge policy changes based on their own personal biases? I really struggle to understand what Google is getting out of this other than pure negativity.

The only real way to increase diversity is in my opinion to finance more school programs to explain to people that girls can be engineers and not all black people have to play sport. Then wait 10 years for the next generation because changes like that don't happen overnight.

It's almost like this kind of logic is racist in of itself, hmmmmmm. It's like they're worried only white people will be qualify-able.

[QUOTE=NapyDaWise;53172395]The only real way to increase diversity is in my opinion to finance more school programs to explain to people that girls can be engineers and not all black people have to play sport. Then wait 10 years for the next generation because changes like that don't happen overnight.[/QUOTE] Even then, I feel like there is going to be a natural division of labor if you let all people do what they would most prefer. In Scandinavia the gender divides in certain sectors increased instead of decreasing despite, or perhaps because of, the measures they enacted to enable such equality.

Is this why YouTube is so incompetent? Ok I kid. Seriously though it's kinda fucked up some white CEO's company is hiring minorites to "improve their culture".

I think it's worth pointing out that this by all likelihood wasn't a centralized policy (and neither does the lawsuit claim this). It's also worth pointing out that this is a lawsuit, not leaked emails from Larry Page. Take it with a grain of salt.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;53172418]I think it's worth pointing out that this by all likelihood wasn't a centralized policy (and neither does the lawsuit claim this). It's also worth pointing out that this is a lawsuit, not leaked emails from Larry Page. Take it with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE] Of course it isn’t a centralized policy. That’d actually be illegal. That doesn’t mean hiring managers don’t actively do it still. It’s something done on the down-low to “promote diversity” while hiding under the guise of equal opportunity. The reason it specifically isn’t a centralized policy is the only reason they are able to do this without actively being hit with lawsuits

Man google is really giving ammo to that guy they fired for making a memo about this same bs

[QUOTE=silaz;53172049]I mean, it's not like you can just blame current white people on past white people's mistakes, and use that as justification for discrimination against them now.[/QUOTE] By no means [I]whatsoever[/I] do I agree with Google's conduct here, but this argument always irks me. Yeah, slavery is 200 years old, but there are people still alive who attended Central High School in Little Rock Arkansas in 1957. Up until a month ago, one of the murderers during the Mississippi Burning was still alive, and living as a free man until 2007 (might've been '06). Almost everyone who watched Rodney King get beat on, and the subsequent riots, is still alive. The vast majority of people who watched Michael Brown, Eric Gardner, and Freddie Gray get killed are still alive. Racism is very much still alive in this country, as most people on facepunch would agree. It still exists in policing and in the workforce. Google's response is not correct, but it's not like white people today have completely clean hands. Look at a little under half the United States supporting an openly racist president. [editline]2nd March 2018[/editline] I want to clarify, [I]I do not think white people today should be punished for these things[/I] (except the ones found guilty of hate crimes, of course). It's just foolish to say white people are completely innocent today and all the bad shit is in the past.

Quotas are outright illegal. If Google/Youtube are found to be using them when hiring they should have the book thrown at them.

[QUOTE=lope;53172458]By no means [I]whatsoever[/I] do I agree with Google's conduct here, but this argument always irks me. Yeah, slavery is 200 years old, but there are people still alive who attended Central High School in Little Rock Arkansas in 1957. Up until a month ago, one of the murderers during the Mississippi Burning was still alive, and living as a free man until 2007 (might've been '06). Almost everyone who watched Rodney King get beat on, and the subsequent riots, is still alive. The vast majority of people who watched Michael Brown, Eric Gardner, and Freddie Gray get killed are still alive. Racism is very much still alive in this country, as most people on facepunch would agree. It still exists in policing and in the workforce. Google's response is not correct, but it's not like white people today have completely clean hands. Look at a little under half the United States supporting an openly racist president. [editline]2nd March 2018[/editline] I want to clarify, [I]I do not think white people today should be punished for these things[/I] (except the ones found guilty of hate crimes, of course). It's just foolish to say white people are completely innocent today and all the bad shit is in the past.[/QUOTE] People. People did those things. People who have nothing to do with me. I do not inherit their guilt in any sense whatsoever. Not "white people." There is nothing intrinsic about being white that leads to racism. There is, however, racism embedded in the [i]human condition.[/i]

[QUOTE=lope;53172458]By no means [I]whatsoever[/I] do I agree with Google's conduct here, but this argument always irks me. Yeah, slavery is 200 years old, but there are people still alive who attended Central High School in Little Rock Arkansas in 1957. Up until a month ago, one of the murderers during the Mississippi Burning was still alive, and living as a free man until 2007 (might've been '06). Almost everyone who watched Rodney King get beat on, and the subsequent riots, is still alive. The vast majority of people who watched Michael Brown, Eric Gardner, and Freddie Gray get killed are still alive. Racism is very much still alive in this country, as most people on facepunch would agree. It still exists in policing and in the workforce. Google's response is not correct, but it's not like white people today have completely clean hands. Look at a little under half the United States supporting an openly racist president. [editline]2nd March 2018[/editline] I want to clarify, [I]I do not think white people today should be punished for these things[/I] (except the ones found guilty of hate crimes, of course). It's just foolish to say white people are completely innocent today and all the bad shit is in the past.[/QUOTE] Something about the usage of "white people" as a collective whole to attribute blame in this post is making me mildly uncomfortable.

[QUOTE=lope;53172458]By no means [I]whatsoever[/I] do I agree with Google's conduct here, but this argument always irks me. Yeah, slavery is 200 years old, but there are people still alive who attended Central High School in Little Rock Arkansas in 1957. Up until a month ago, one of the murderers during the Mississippi Burning was still alive, and living as a free man until 2007 (might've been '06). Almost everyone who watched Rodney King get beat on, and the subsequent riots, is still alive. The vast majority of people who watched Michael Brown, Eric Gardner, and Freddie Gray get killed are still alive. Racism is very much still alive in this country, as most people on facepunch would agree. It still exists in policing and in the workforce. Google's response is not correct, but it's not like white people today have completely clean hands. Look at a little under half the United States supporting an openly racist president. [editline]2nd March 2018[/editline] I want to clarify, [I]I do not think white people today should be punished for these things[/I] (except the ones found guilty of hate crimes, of course). It's just foolish to say white people are completely innocent today and all the bad shit is in the past.[/QUOTE] “I disagree with this argument” “I want to clarify that by no means do I disagree with this argument” Like what’s your point exactly, you don’t just get to double up on “it’s racist against whites” and “it’s not racist against minorities”. It’s either racist or it isn’t, regardless of race. Your skin color doesn’t make something more or less racist regardless of when it occurred. Racism is racism bottom line.

I wonder how /pol/ and r/t_d would react to this. On the one hand, whites are getting oppressed. On the other, Asians are getting shafted too. Must be giving them seizures just thinking about it.

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;53172508]“I disagree with this argument” “I want to clarify that by no means do I disagree with this argument” [B]Like what’s your point exactly, you don’t just get to double up on “it’s racist against whites” and “it’s not racist against minorities”. It’s either racist or it isn’t, regardless of race. Your skin color doesn’t make something more or less racist regardless of when it occurred. Racism is racism bottom line.[/B][/QUOTE] I was using the collective term "white people" because the post I was responding to did. My point is, you can't say racism isn't alive today. You can't say the problems with what white people did are only in the past. There are still people today who are racist and do racist things. I agree that white people as a collective shouldn't be punished, but I disagree that people today did nothing wrong and it's all our ancestors and in the past. And in re to the bolded, I never implied minorities or others races can't be racist. I thought me saying I don't condone what Google did was me making clear that I believe what Google did is racist. We were talking about white people, so I focused the argument on white people, and past examples of how white people have been racist. Hell, even during the LA Riots, which I referenced, there was plenty of black-on-black and black-on-white racism. E: Also, please don't pretend to quote me then change what I actually said. Yes, as I said, I disagree with the argument that white people (maybe not YOU) have done nothing wrong today and it's all our ancestors. I would also disagree with the argument that black people have done nothing wrong. However, I wanted to clarify that I do not disagree with the idea that "[I]white people today [as a collective] should not be punished for these things[/I] " (I thought the whole "those found guilty of hate crimes" clarified the collective thing)

Hiring quotas are fucking stupid. Doesn't matter if it's for race, gender or anything else. If an overwhelming majority of applicants are male/white/asian/whatever, you can't enforce a quota without being racist as fuck. Today I was at an event for a local software company where they wanted to find good programmers from the local schools and universities. 120 people came including 10 women and not a single non-white person. Nobody should be surprised if they hire more white males than anyone else.

American companies need to do more to include diverse employment in their fields. I think that's fairly agreeable. Whether that be funding the Boys and Girls Clubs of America or other after school curriculum that build up impoverished communities and motivate kids to pursue tech industries, to communicating with local and state governments on what they can do to propel their communities into these industries. I dunno, I'm just a dude on facepunch who isn't completely educated on this stuff. The problem here is YouTube tried to take a shortcut, by forcing diversity and hurting someone in the process, and obviously it now blew up in their face. What big tech companies like Google, Apple, etc need to do is help build a brighter future rather than save face in the present. And not try to cheat, if they want real diversity, they've gotta first tear down the economic gap that stops most people from moving to California and becoming apart of that industry (hint: it's generally money and college experience because of how expensive living is out there.)

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;53172508] Racism is racism bottom line.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, we can't even fucking agree about that. In fact, there's a lot of people now who will get offended by this kind of statement, because "racism = prejudice + power," therefore its impossible to be racist against white people. You even see this enforced in the moderation of certain forums (you can probably guess which ones I'm thinking of), where minority members can say openly hateful things about white people, and are basically insulated from any punishment.

[QUOTE=CyclonatorZ;53172650]Unfortunately, we can't even fucking agree about that. In fact, there's a lot of people now who will get offended by this kind of statement, because "racism = prejudice + power," therefore its impossible to be racist against white people. You even see this enforced in the moderation of certain forums (you can probably guess which ones I'm thinking of), where minority members can say openly hateful things about white people, and are basically insulated from any punishment.[/QUOTE] Those people are fucking stupid. Racism is being a cunt to somebody because of their their genetic makeup. God, people and their fucking agendas.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;53172519]I wonder how /pol/ and r/t_d would react to this. On the one hand, whites are getting oppressed. On the other, Asians are getting shafted too. Must be giving them seizures just thinking about it.[/QUOTE] Asians are Schrodinger's minority based on whatever is convenient for your argument. "Asians are people of color and are on our side!" "Asians are ousting true minorities from jobs in tech companies!" Vice's argument was basically that Asians contribute to white supremacy because they work hard, earn money, and don't protest. [url]http://www.vice.com/read/how-asian-americans-contribute-to-white-supremacy[/url]

[QUOTE=lilguy;53172684]Asians are Schrodinger's minority based on whatever is convenient for your argument. "Asians are people of color and are on our side!" "Asians are ousting true minorities from jobs in tech companies!" Vice's argument was basically that Asians contribute to white supremacy because they work hard, earn money, and don't protest. [url]http://www.vice.com/read/how-asian-americans-contribute-to-white-supremacy[/url][/QUOTE] Its an obsession at this point.

A lot of them don't even engage in racism, but that's only because they actually think racism is a divide and conquer tactic created by the [B]DA JOOS[/B] to make it that much harder for the peoples of the world to collectively root them out. /pol/ is a magical place sometimes.

Idk what "don't engage in racism" means to you but picking up allies of colour to fight the jews is literally a nazi tactic.

Diversity is a great thing for workplaces and is definitely worth pursuing - more diverse spaces can inform a greater wealth of perspectives and backgrounds which can result in worthwhile results - but anything less than hiring the best available applicants for any reason is highly ethically and morally suspect imo

[QUOTE=lilguy;53172684]Asians are Schrodinger's minority based on whatever is convenient for your argument. "Asians are people of color and are on our side!" "Asians are ousting true minorities from jobs in tech companies!" Vice's argument was basically that Asians contribute to white supremacy because they work hard, earn money, and don't protest. [url]http://www.vice.com/read/how-asian-americans-contribute-to-white-supremacy[/url][/QUOTE] in cali other minorities try to make laws that would fuck us over in shit like college admissions and then turn around and try to get us to be "allies" lol pok gai assholes

[QUOTE=Gamerman12;53172563]American companies need to do more to include diverse employment in their fields.[/QUOTE] But.. Why?

[QUOTE=srobins;53172954]But.. Why?[/QUOTE] I'm not sure if "need" is the right word, but diverse workplaces should be indicative of truly equal opportunity in society and should be a long-term goal. In terms of tangible benefit, having a wider variety of unique perspectives and backgrounds informed by unique cultural idiosyncrasies can be a boon for decision making, coming up with new ideas, discussion/discourse, etc.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;53172964]I'm not sure if "need" is the right word, but diverse workplaces should be indicative of truly equal opportunity in society and should be a long-term goal. In terms of tangible benefit, having a wider variety of unique perspectives and backgrounds informed by unique cultural idiosyncrasies can be a boon for decision making, coming up with new ideas, discussion/discourse, etc.[/QUOTE] I just feel like the critical changes need to be made further up the pipeline before reaching the employer, otherwise you end up with situations like these where employers end up doing bad things in order to achieve equality of outcome. I agree heavily though that our education system needs to be reformed so that poverty isn't a lifelong economic death sentence (as I feel that most of what people describe as inequality for minority groups tends to be explained by poverty in general).

[QUOTE=Duck M.;53172964]I'm not sure if "need" is the right word, but diverse workplaces should be indicative of truly equal opportunity in society and should be a long-term goal. In terms of tangible benefit, having a wider variety of unique perspectives and backgrounds informed by unique cultural idiosyncrasies can be a boon for decision making, coming up with new ideas, discussion/discourse, etc.[/QUOTE] I don't actually think you're necessarily wrong. My issue is with the equating of skin color with diversity of thought. A black, white, and asian person who all graduated from Harvard are probably going to be more similar in thought than a group of white people from totally different places (or a group of black people, asian people, etc.)

[QUOTE=lilguy;53172684]Asians are Schrodinger's minority based on whatever is convenient for your argument. "Asians are people of color and are on our side!" "Asians are ousting true minorities from jobs in tech companies!" [/QUOTE] According to the Nazis they're honorary Aryans which explains everything.