Shooting at Florida School, Shooter IS in custody. - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53131902] Fix your goddamn country.[/QUOTE] Easier said than done

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53131902]Fix your goddamn country.[/QUOTE] Do you want to offer suggestions on how to do that?

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53131902]If it's brought up right now, it's too soon. If it's brought up in a few days, it's too soon. And bringing it up any later defeats the purpose of talking, because by the time people feel ready to talk [I]another [/I]shooting happens. And then the cycle continues. Fix your goddamn country.[/QUOTE] Propose a solution. You can talk about fixing things, but unless you propose something it cannot be reviewed and debated. Also, wait till after the shooting too debate politics. It's distasteful as hell too start debating politics when the shooting is still active.

I'm watching a stream and they just put a handcuffed guy with a red shirt into the back of a police car

When I saw Florida I was very worried.

[QUOTE=TraderRager;53131904]I vote for candidates who want stricter gun control. I call my representatives and ask them to justify their positions on gun control. What do you want me to do? go out and steal everyone gun? Fuck off with your holier-then-thou bullshit. I can't personally do jack shit about gun violence, but I can call out people for peddling the same tired bullshit every time this happens.[/QUOTE] Imagine for a moment you are a lawmaker and propose a bill. How would you address this problem? I am inviting you to the discussion you say you want to have.

[QUOTE=Llamaguy;53131843][img]https://pics.me.me/the-onion-no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-24078515.png[/img][/QUOTE] Hey remember when the assault weapons ban prevented columbine? Yeah I don’t

[QUOTE=ZachPL;53131912]I'm watching a stream and they just put a handcuffed guy with a red shirt into the back of a police car[/QUOTE] Well, hopefully this is the shooter and we can figure out what the hell happened here.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;53131847]I read through the tweets and they aren't asking for him to call, but rather talk through DM's, which is more appropriate and safer in this kind of situation. Still really strange to see journalists asking for this in the middle of the shooting.[/QUOTE] My take, I see this as akin to a first-person war account or diary/journal. People's account are important to society and dialogue. Don't get me wrong, they have an "ulterior motive" to bring attention to their news station, but getting perspective like this is essentially historical record.

Here is the stream, I didnt think to take a screenshot [url]http://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/02/14/florida-shooting-marjory-stoneman-douglas-high-parkland/[/url]

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53131902]If it's brought up right now, it's too soon. [B]If it's brought up in a few days, it's too soon.[/B] And bringing it up any later defeats the purpose of talking, because by the time people feel ready to talk [I]another [/I]shooting happens. And then the cycle continues. Fix your goddamn country.[/QUOTE] Except that's exactly what I'm saying? Bring up talks and discussion AFTER the shooting has stopped. We have to focus on making sure people are ok RIGHT NOW, rather than arguing over gun politics.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53131881]When a gun is fired with hostile intent in a school environment. [I]wow that was so hard to define oof i really stretched my brain muscles there[/I][/QUOTE] your definition covers too many MOs to really be worth considering. there's a big difference between some dude killing another dude who just happens to be in a school and some dude specifically going to a school to indiscriminately fire on as many people as possible. ones murder, the other is terrorism. if you can't see the difference then you're beyond help

[QUOTE=joshuadim;53131924]Except that's exactly what I'm saying? Bring up talks and discussion AFTER the shooting has stopped. We have to focus on making sure people are ok RIGHT NOW, rather than arguing over gun politics.[/QUOTE] Hell with that. What good does waiting do? Let's talk about it.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;53131909]Do you want to offer suggestions on how to do that?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;53131910]Propose a solution.[/QUOTE] Right off the bat, here's two good points that have shown to work pretty much everywhere in the world: - Greater focus on mental health, a better support system for those who are vulnerable and prone to cause these kinds of incidents. - Stricter gun control to prevent people with mental instabilities or harmful ideologies attaining guns. I have to say it's pretty ludicrous to ask someone else for the solution, though. Instead of actively working together to fix the problem you just yell "well what's the solution then?!!" and flair your arms in the air, as if there was nothing you could do. Lazy.

video of gunfire inside a classroom. nothing visual, just sound: [video]https://youtu.be/l9MDHmZHcVQ[/video]

All but officially confirmed they have the shooter in custody. Hearing that today was a fire drill day and that's why kids were more likely to walk out of class again when the shooter pulled the fire alarm right before school got out

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;53131928]Hell with that. What good does waiting do? Let's talk about it.[/QUOTE] You can't wait one or two days until the shooter has been stopped and people are safe? Why?

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53131929]Right off the bat, here's two good points that have shown to work pretty much everywhere in the world: - Greater focus on mental health, a better support system for those who are vulnerable and prone to cause these kinds of incidents. - Stricter gun control to prevent people with mental instabilities or harmful ideologies attaining guns. I have to say it's pretty ludicrous to ask someone else for the solution, though. Instead of actively working together to fix the problem you just yell "well what's the solution then?!!" and flair your arms in the air, as if there was nothing you could do. Lazy.[/QUOTE] There's a lot that can be done and a lot that I've pushed for. I am on my phone and can't type up a big long post but I promise I will when I am back at my computer within the next few hours. I'm not being smug, I'm inviting you to start the dialogue.

[QUOTE=butre;53131927]your definition covers too many MOs to really be worth considering. there's a big difference between some dude killing another dude who just happens to be in a school and some dude specifically going to a school to indiscriminately fire on as many people as possible. ones murder, the other is terrorism. if you can't see the difference then you're beyond help[/QUOTE] ... both of those are murder, and with the same prerequisite. Gun in school, fired with intent to kill or maim. It doesn't matter if it was ideologically caused, or by happenstance of someone snapping. It's a school shooting. Firearm discharged in a school district for purpose of injury and death. That's a school shooting. School. Shooting. How is this so hard to understand?

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;53131930]video of gunfire inside a classroom. nothing visual, just sound: [video]https://youtu.be/l9MDHmZHcVQ[/video][/QUOTE] Fuck that's scary. I've been in those classrooms

[QUOTE=joshuadim;53131924]Except that's exactly what I'm saying? Bring up talks and discussion AFTER the shooting has stopped. We have to focus on making sure people are ok RIGHT NOW, rather than arguing over gun politics.[/QUOTE] Read before you reply. [quote][B]And bringing it up any later defeats the purpose of talking, because by the time people feel ready to talk another shooting happens. And then the cycle continues.[/B][/quote] There's never a "good time" because people like you think it's "too soon", when these fucking things happen on such a frequent basis that there IS no "good time".

Shooter is in custody, rifle was used.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;53131896]AFTER the shooting has stopped and the suspect has been apprehended/taken out? People are in serious danger right now and people like you want to bring up politics. It honestly disgusts me.[/QUOTE] This whole thing is inherently a political issue, though... Why are guns so easily accessible to the average American high schooler? Why is mental health not taken more seriously by school and government officials? Why do we let these issues build up until they happen again? Why do so many people choose to use the "don't bring politics into this, people have died" rhetoric? We can't have solutions to these problems if we don't discuss it, and discussion such as this (guns, death) is always, [b]always[/b] going to be political. How do we prevent more innocent deaths? We will have to use preventative measures, not reactionary. But we have to discuss them first. The timing of the discussion doesn't matter.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53131942]Read before you reply. There's never a "good time" because people like you think it's "too soon", when these fucking things happen on such a frequent basis that there IS no "good time".[/QUOTE] So you want to bring up politics right now, and by extension use the people currently in danger in an active shooting situation as a means to prop up your argument. Can you at least have the decency to make sure the situation has ended and they aren't in danger anymore before using them in your gun debate?

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;53131910] Also, wait till after the shooting too debate politics. It's distasteful as hell too start debating politics when the shooting is still active.[/QUOTE] the issue with this is that by the time its 'the right moment to talk about a shooting' another one will already be happening, do we wait until that one is done before 'its the right time' or do we actually talk about the problem whenever the fuck we feel like it

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;53131945]Shooter is in custody, rifle was used.[/QUOTE] Is there official confirmation/source for this?

[QUOTE=joshuadim;53131953]So you want to bring up politics right now, and by extension use the people currently in danger in an active shooting situation as a means to prop up your argument. Can you at least have the decency to make sure the situation has ended and they aren't in danger anymore before using them in your gun debate?[/QUOTE] The fact that these events happened today doesn't dismiss anyone's arguments. [b]This shit happens all the time, that's the problem.[/b] People are going to keep dying unless something is done about it, and muting the conversation out of "respect for the injured/dead" is dismissive and disruptive to the root of the issue.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;53131915]Imagine for a moment you are a lawmaker and propose a bill. How would you address this problem? I am inviting you to the discussion you say you want to have.[/QUOTE] Okay, I'm imagining. I propose a bill where the nation offers a mass buyback all semi-automatic firearms and institutes more thorough background checks and stronger punishments for those who allow firearms to end up in the possession of unlicensed users. It also closes the Gun Show loophole. Use of any firearm capable of semi-automatic fire (including pistols) requires a different license then more traditional hunting weapons (Bolt, Lever, Pump, and Break-action type firearms). Continued ownership of the before mentioned semi-automatic firearms is a felony, but you have 12 months from when the legislation is passed to sell them or get the new license.

Can everyone please stop with the false concern of "it's too soon to talk"? I at least agree that a forum discussion isn't going to be very productive in solving the mass shooting issue in America, but at least approach it honestly instead of bullshitting around and saying "it's too soon". Everyone here sees right through it.

A good first place to start with gun control would be to create the environment where gun control is possible. Because Republican politicians classically have the backing of the NRA, the only option from a local, state, and federal level is to elect a more strongly Democratic political base that is willing to pass laws on gun control. Admittedly, it will take something like a generation for effective gun control to undergo revision and take good affect, but this starts at a governmental stage first.