Shooting at Florida School, Shooter IS in custody. - Sensationalist Headlines

"we have a special on 12 gauge shotguns today, You can find us at tom's freedom shop right next to toy's R' Us" [B]EDIT[/B] holy shit, someone already used toy's R' Us.

[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;53132272]I love how some of the morons in this thread think that doing something about the oversaturation of guns in America means completely banning them. Grow up.[/QUOTE] I think some reasonable restrictions would be ok, but the problem is some of the biggest politicians who argue for that side also have a history of presenting things as "common sense restrictions" only for it to turn out that they actually just want a total ban without addressing any of the underlying causes of said violence. Also I disagree with the argument that more guns = more violence or less guns = less violence.

[QUOTE=butre;53132317]toys r us is a toy store, not a one stop shop. you know where you can buy porn? wal mart. they've got playboy on the magazine rack.[/QUOTE] If you reasoning for Walmart selling guns being totally ok is because it's a "one-stop-shop" and you don't get why it's weird one can get guns there, why doesn't Walmart sell landmines? Or maybe, uh, rocket launchers? Handgrenades? Hell, could get a good offer there, buy 2 get 1 free! It's a "one-stop-shop", right? Why aren't these things available off the shelf?

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53132332]If you reasoning for Walmart selling guns being totally ok is because it's a "one-stop-shop" and you don't get why it's weird one can get guns there, why doesn't Walmart sell landmines? Or maybe, uh, rocket launchers? Handgrenades? Hell, could get a good offer there, buy 2 get 1 free! It's a "one-stop-shop", right? Why aren't these things available off the shelf?[/QUOTE] Why would they? Walmart stocks inventory based on what people are buying. If a walmart is stocking ammo, guns, and hunting gear it means that people are buying their supplies there. You don't generally go hunting with a rocket launcher so theres no reason for walmart to stock it. You're being emotionally obtuse. Not to mention the guns that wal-mart does sell tend to be hunting-oriented rifles and shotguns and not AK-47s and shit. Walmart sells hunting gear. Your perception of them being a murder weapon is entirely on you.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53132332]If you reasoning for Walmart selling guns being totally ok is because it's a "one-stop-shop" and you don't get why it's weird one can get guns there, why doesn't Walmart sell landmines? Or maybe, uh, rocket launchers? Handgrenades? Hell, could get a good offer there, buy 2 get 1 free! It's a "one-stop-shop", right? Why aren't these things available off the shelf?[/QUOTE] because rocket launchers don't have any practical use but guns and porn do? this has to be the single most bizarre argument I've ever seen I imagine if people wanted to buy rocket launchers wal mart would be happy to stock them but rocket launchers aren't exactly cheap or easy to sell, plus they take up a lot of space that could be used for other products that aren't gonna sit on the shelf for 15 years legally speaking they could sell them if they like, but they're too much of a pain in the ass to stock for a company that's mostly just there for food. regular old hunting rifles however are pretty easy to move, they don't spend much time wasting space on the shelves and there's a decent profit margin in them.

I know what I'm about to say gets said a lot anyways, but I feel like I just have to get this off my chest. A while back seeing something like this would shock me and I'd be thinking about and following it for the next week or so. It's amazing that it's gotten to the point where I've sort of lost interest because I know exactly how the cycle goes and nothing will ever fucking change anymore. It's always "our thoughts and prayers for the school" -> "gun debate" -> "no one does anything and neither side ever agrees on anything, nation is split" -> "falls out of the news cycle and MSM starts talking about celebrities to fill the time again because none of this shit is earth-shatteringly shocking anymore." I can't follow this story and hope for change to come, because I've grown cynical to the point that I'm convinced it never will, especially under this presidency. It's defeatist, I know, but I've began to feel that way about a lot of things. That the citizens of this country are powerless. A country in which you can have about 90% of the population against a bill but have it still voted in by small group of elites doesn't exactly give me confidence.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53132332]If you reasoning for Walmart selling guns being totally ok is because it's a "one-stop-shop" and you don't get why it's weird one can get guns there, why doesn't Walmart sell landmines? Or maybe, uh, rocket launchers? Handgrenades? Hell, could get a good offer there, buy 2 get 1 free! It's a "one-stop-shop", right? Why aren't these things available off the shelf?[/QUOTE] No offense, but legally speaking they could totally sell all of those. Inert/Used launchers are actually a big market in the states, explosive material is sold as "Stump Remover", and hell some stores even sell flamethrowers. One of the farming stores near me had a giveaway for a semi-auto M2.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;53132315]"Bang bang, give me fame" The media continuing the cycle of making shooters famous, who could have predicted such an event?[/QUOTE] You'd think the media would clue in when there were shooters who knowingly idolized other shooters.

[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;53132343]You'd think the media would clue in when there were shooters who knowingly idolized other shooters.[/QUOTE] You'd think, but the more articles they can write about a shooting, the more money they make. Fucking vultures.

[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;53132343]You'd think the media would clue in when there were shooters who knowingly idolized other shooters.[/QUOTE] The media loves it because it makes people watch them and generate ad-revenue. The media is the last organization that wants the world to improve. They're all the same people, you got Fox for republicans and MSNBC for democrats but they're both part of the same team that wants you to hate your fellow man so that you have a reason to watch them when someone blows up a church.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;53132341]No offense, but legally speaking they could totally sell all of those. Inert/Used launchers are actually a big market in the states, explosive material is sold as "Stump Remover", and hell some stores even sell flamethrowers. One of the farming stores near me had a give away for a semi-auto M2.[/QUOTE] You are saying all of this like it's a good thing.

[QUOTE=OvB;53132336]Why would they? Walmart stocks inventory based on what people are buying. If a walmart is stocking ammo, guns, and hunting gear it means that people are buying their supplies there. You don't generally go hunting with a rocket launcher so theres no reason for walmart to stock it. You're being emotionally obtuse.[/QUOTE] How can they stock based on what people are buying if they're not selling handgrenades? They don't know if people want them unless they start selling them. So why aren't they selling them? :thinking: I wouldn't object to firarms being sold in the appropriate location, ie. a gunstore, under the right circumstances and legislation, but you can't use the argument that "it's okay for deathmachines to be sold in a supermarket because they sell everything anyway" if only [I]some [/I]deathmachines are allowed but not others. [QUOTE=butre;53132337]because rocket launchers don't have any practical use but guns and porn do? this has to be the single most bizarre argument I've ever seen[/QUOTE] Oh, rocket launchers can be really practical, most explosives are! Like, say I want to demolish a house [I]really [/I]quickly. I could rent a big tractor or a wrecking ball, or I just line the whole building with C4 and watch the fireworks. Why can't I buy C4 at Walmart?

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53132359]How can they stock based on what people are buying if they're not selling handgrenades? They don't know if people want them unless they start selling them. So why aren't they selling them? :thinking: I wouldn't object to firarms being sold in the appropriate location, ie. a gunstore, under the right circumstances and legislation, but you can't use the argument that "it's okay for deathmachines to be sold in a supermarket because they sell everything anyway" if only [I]some [/I]deathmachines are allowed but not others. Oh, rocket launchers can be really practical, most explosives are! Like, say I want to demolish a house [I]really [/I]quickly. I could rent a big tractor or a wrecking ball, or I just line the whole building with C4 and watch the fireworks. Why can't I buy C4 at Walmart?[/QUOTE] not every walmart stocks hunting supplies, it's usually the ones in rural areas where [i]surprise[/i] there's a large population of people who hunt.

like wow the superstore decided to cater to part of the crowd that's already there with a small selection of items that help them out. what controversy.

At least 2 dead according to CNN: [QUOTE]At least two people are dead after a school shooting in Parkland, Florida, law enforcement officials told CNN. [/QUOTE] [url]https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/14/us/florida-high-school-shooting/index.html[/url]

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;53132368]You're really going to be embarassed when you read these posts tomorrow, after you get your emotions in check.[/QUOTE] Not really, this is how I always approach these topics. Why would I be embarrassed exactly?

[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;53132357]You are saying all of this like it's a good thing.[/QUOTE] I feel like I might have to clear up a few things he's said inert or used launchers aren't useful. they're just display pieces, they can't launch anything again stump remover isn't explosive, but can be a precursor to certain explosives. if that's a problem guess we better ban sugar along with it flamethrowers are very useful for controlling weeds and de-icing pavement. and a free m2 is fucking rad

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53132359]How can they stock based on what people are buying if they're not selling handgrenades? They don't know if people want them unless they start selling them. So why aren't they selling them? :thinking: I wouldn't object to firarms being sold in the appropriate location, ie. a gunstore, under the right circumstances and legislation, but you can't use the argument that "it's okay for deathmachines to be sold in a supermarket because they sell everything anyway" if only [I]some [/I]deathmachines are allowed but not others. Oh, rocket launchers can be really practical, most explosives are! Like, say I want to demolish a house [I]really [/I]quickly. I could rent a big tractor or a wrecking ball, or I just line the whole building with C4 and watch the fireworks. Why can't I buy C4 at Walmart?[/QUOTE] You can't even by hand grenades at a gun store so don't be stupid. You can't buy a Lamborghini at Walmart either. It's almost like stores only stock common items. Ammo and hunting gear being common in many rural locations in the US.

[QUOTE=OvB;53132377]You can't even by hand grenades at a gun store so don't be stupid. You can't buy a Lamborghini at Walmart either. It's almost like stores only stock common items. Ammo and hunting gear being common in many rural locations in the US.[/QUOTE] You're not answering the question. I asked "why not"? Is there some kind of law that prohibits people from owning these types of items? :thinking:

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;53132341]No offense, but legally speaking they could totally sell all of those. Inert/Used launchers are actually a big market in the states, [B]explosive material is sold as "Stump Remover[/B]", and hell some stores even sell flamethrowers. One of the farming stores near me had a giveaway for a semi-auto M2.[/QUOTE] Please tell me you aren't talking about potassium nitrate, because as someone who's hand made gun powder/black powder with the shit I can tell you it's quite a ways away from being a high explosive in it's stump remover form. I mean [I]yeah[/I] its an oxidizer but it's not terribly useful as one until you grind the hell out of it and mix it with some other nonsense.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53132375]Not really, this is how I always approach these topics. Why would I be embarrassed exactly?[/QUOTE] shitposting is how you approach tragedy? how are you still here?

Not to shit up the thread, but well, Bowie's being oddly appropriate: [video=youtube;S4R8HTIgHUU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4R8HTIgHUU[/video] Any word on how it's going for the victims?

[QUOTE=butre;53132383]shitposting is how you approach tragedy? how are you still here?[/QUOTE] I'm using hyperbole to make a point, I'll admit to that, but "shitposting"? You for real?

At least 16 dead acc. Police

[QUOTE=butre;53132383]shitposting is how you approach tragedy? how are you still here?[/QUOTE] What a zinger!!! maybe get back on topic about the shooting, not the nature of posts?

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53132387]I'm using hyperbole to make a point, I'll admit to that, but "shitposting"? You for real?[/QUOTE] you're comparing hunting rifles to hand grenades. that's so stupid that it could be an idiom.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53132381]You're not answering the question. I asked "why not"? Is there some kind of law that prohibits people from owning these types of items? :thinking:[/QUOTE] Yes, actually. Explosives are typically classified as a destructive device under the NFA and thus require a lengthy process to obtain legally. Suppressors and even fully automatics are legal, too, but also are under the NFA. (Arguably suppressors should be removed but that's for a different discussion.)

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53132381]You're not answering the question. I asked "why not"? Is there some kind of law that prohibits people from owning these types of items? :thinking:[/QUOTE] I think hand grenades count as a destructive device so fall somewhere under the category as not completely illegal but extremely difficult to legally obtain. Therefore it would not make sense for walmart or even a gunstore to stock them. I'm not sure what you're getting at. That because they don't sell Abrams tanks or something that they shouldn't sell a rifle to a farmer to kill gophers? Most guns in America do not kill people. Your perception of them as death machines is on you.

Would also like to point out that Wal-Mart started as a department store catering to rural communities. They only became supermarkets much later on, retaining their outdoors and hunting department.

this is still an offshoot from the topic of having stricter gun-laws