Majority Of White Americans Say They Face Discrimination - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;52816841]What i objected to is that you jumped straight to BLM, and seemed to blame it on its own for the increase in numbers, and not the decisions by the officials of the right to react to it in a hostile and fearmongering way, which colored the reactions of all their supporters. Not to mention, the bigger and more prominent causes like the presidential election season and all of Trump's speeches and comments regarding race which, I believe, were the strongest cause in reinforcing white people's fears of being attacked. [/QUOTE] Trumps message needed fuel, though. A lot happened racially previous to Trump which Trump used as fuel to promote his ideals and energize those beliefs. To say that the... bastardized version of BLM and previous fear mongering in that regard didn't have a prominent impact on it all would be kind of silly. It's a snowball that built up that led to Trump. Trump didn't just come out of nowhere with suddenly hostile ideals. Institutional racism -> black people(s) gets shot -> black communities feel lack of justice -> protest -> protest falls apart into riots -> media only covers riots -> riots spread fear -> fear spreads rhetoric -> rhetoric produces Trump -> Trump incubates fear, etc, etc. Trump is a result of the messy political climate, not necessarily the cause(at the start, he's a recurring cause now, an incubator). He was able to happen because he took advantage of peoples fears. Whether its the Mexicans, Chinese, Muslims, blacks, whatever. A situation that could've otherwise been handled better falls apart because of what I said in my previous post. I don't think our posts are in disagreement, I just don't think Trump can be called a primary cause moreso than a result of previous action.

The white people who say they are "discriminated against" and yet reported that they themselves have not been victims of discrimination is just a textbook demonstration of crowd mentality. Because a few, very loud, white people will complain that they are "discriminated against" everyone else will just blindly follow along. Textbook crowd mentality

[QUOTE=V12US;52816898]And where do you think those fears came from?[/QUOTE] Current levels of fear are a result of deliberate fearmongering, exaggerations, scapegoating, and sometimes just plain lies (thousands of Muslims cheering in the streets during 9/11, etc.) The exaggerations came from stimuli--the behavior of some BLM protesters for example--but there's no such danger to match the overblown expectations that these white Americans have been conditioned to accept. So basically? Those fears came from white people acting outraged in public and in the news in order to further a goal of securing positions of influence within government. Such as: the office of the President of the United States. [QUOTE=OvB;52816911]Trumps message needed fuel, though. A lot happened racially previous to Trump which Trump used as fuel to promote his ideals and energize those beliefs. To say that the... bastardized version of BLM and previous fear mongering in that regard didn't have a prominent impact on it all would be kind of silly. It's a snowball that built up that led to Trump. Trump didn't just come out of nowhere with suddenly hostile ideals. Institutional racism -> black people(s) gets shot -> black communities feel lack of justice -> protest -> protest falls apart into riots -> media only covers riots -> riots spread fear -> fear spreads rhetoric -> rhetoric produces Trump -> Trump incubates fear, etc, etc. Trump is a result of the messy political climate, not necessarily the cause(at the start, he's a recurring cause now, an incubator). He was able to happen because he took advantage of peoples fears. Whether its the Mexicans, Chinese, Muslims, blacks, whatever. A situation that could've otherwise been handled better falls apart because of what I said in my previous post. I don't think our posts are in disagreement, I just don't think Trump can be called a primary cause moreso than a result of previous action.[/QUOTE] My argument isn't that Trump's campaigning caused the political climate--i wrote that his messages to his base are, to my knowledge, a larger cause of the increase in the number of white people who feel discriminated against than the actions of BLM alone.

I think the biggest fuel is the under served middle and lower class looking for answers as to why the system they live in is okay with their hardship and suffering. It's then easy for people like Trump to step in and provide simple answers to their problems, and give them scapegoats

Well yeah no shit people are gonna start thinking this way. White people are being made out to be the root of all evil in the last couple of years. There's a lot of hypocrisy with people flipping out about 'racism' over the slightest thing involving a black person but then that same person will sit there shitting on white people all over twitter like its impossible to be racist to whites.

It's also interesting to think about what systems in society benefit from the race and class in-fighting

Nah, I understand my place in the world and I'm fortunate to have the things I have. I sympathize with victims of racism, sexism, or any form of discrimination. I, personally, cannot empathize as I have not truly experienced it. It would be disingenuous to say so.

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;52816920]Current levels of fear are a result of deliberate fearmongering, exaggerations, scapegoating, and sometimes just plain lies (thousands of Muslims cheering in the streets during 9/11, etc.) The exaggerations came from stimuli--the behavior of some BLM protesters for example--but there's no such danger to match the overblown expectations that these white Americans have been conditioned to accept. So basically? Those fears came from white people acting outraged in public and in the news in order to further a goal of securing positions of influence within government. Such as: the office of the President of the United States. My argument isn't that Trump's campaigning caused the political climate--i wrote that his messages to his base are, to my knowledge, a larger cause of the increase in the number of white people who feel discriminated against than the actions of BLM alone.[/QUOTE] Conclusion: white man's problems are made up Arguments like these are little hands that carried Trump into the oval office.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52816930]It's also interesting to think about what systems in society benefit from the race and class in-fighting[/QUOTE] I remember Occupy Wall Street. Funny how things have changed in terms of what the public gets angry at nowadays.

For some reason people forget how large the United States is, and how an individuals experiance can change dramatically depending on where they live.

[QUOTE=V12US;52816958]Conclusion: white man's problems are made up Arguments like these are little hands that carried Trump into the oval office.[/QUOTE] Candidate won or lost because of $my_pet_issue. And let's just assume that's true that he won purely because black people would like black lives to matter, [B]that's not an argument against their claims[/B]. If you want to beat the SJWs you dislike so much long term, you have to actually address their points instead of throwing a fit and cheering on a demagogue who's clumsily thrashing his party and the country, or else you're just going to get a flip in the other direction until the problems are more or less resolved.

[QUOTE=V12US;52816958]Conclusion: white man's problems are made up Arguments like these are little hands that carried Trump into the oval office.[/QUOTE] I'd say the in fighting in general between whites, blacks, mexicans is why he got in [editline]24th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Hick2;52816964]I remember Occupy Wall Street. Funny how things have changed in terms of what the public gets angry at nowadays.[/QUOTE] I also find it interesting how a lot of people tried to turn occupy wall street into infighting and racial wars etc, and that's how it kind of fizzled

[QUOTE=V12US;52816958]Conclusion: white man's problems are made up Arguments like these are little hands that carried Trump into the oval office.[/QUOTE] So white people, having been raised in and floating carelessly through a status quo that doesn't require them to see the stark difference in advantages and justice based on race and class in this country, see protests like BLM, say "oh shit, the dangerous others" and foolishly elect trump into power. Because things were so much more convenient and easier when they didn't have to bother with things like "consideration" or "seeing things from a different perspective" more overblown, fearful reactions to overblown fear.

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;52816867]Like can you honestly say that you feel at a disadvantage because of comments made about white people? We get to just walk away from it lol[/QUOTE] I've physically had people say that my opinion on discrimination due to being lgbt doesn't matter because I'm white before and don't know what "true discrimination" is. its pretty hurtful to be told that being discriminated and bullied against for 10 years growing up by both peers and family doesn't matter and shouldn't be listened to because I'm white and don't actually know how bad it is

of course white people don't face discrimination on the same scale as non-whites and LGBT people but that does not mean straight white people are impossible to discriminate against case in point: that fucking retarded former bioware dev that keeps blaming white people for everything on twitter he [b][url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1582943]literally[/url][/b] blamed white men working at bioware for mass effect andromeda being a gigantic reeking pile of shit

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;52816991]So white people, having been raised and floating carelessly through a status quo that doesn't require them to see the stark difference in advantages and justice based on race and class in this country, see protests like BLM, say "oh shit, the dangerous others" and foolishly elect trump into power. Because things were so much more convenient and easier when they didn't have to bother with things like "consideration" or "seeing things from a different perspective" more overblown, fearful reactions to overblown fear.[/QUOTE] to think that the white people who elected trump and hated blm lived carefree lives is ignorant

With all these garbage tabloids and shit blaming white people and events that ban white people i dont blame them for feeling discriminated.

[QUOTE=V12US;52816958]Conclusion: white man's problems are made up Arguments like these are little hands that carried Trump into the oval office.[/QUOTE] No, disproportionate responses like this one right here are what contributes to the polarization we see today. Surely you could at least entertain the idea that maybe, just maybe, the fear of SJWs, evil leftists and political correctness has been blown up a bit? Taken advantage of by people with political motives? You don't have to concede anything, go on and call the fears completely, 100% valid if that's what you believe. But don't brush off everything he put forward with [I]this[/I] shit. You know damn well he didn't say all of white people's problems are made-up, and yet that's still what you go for, why? It's this intentionally divisive rhetoric that creates the fucked up climate you're complaining about right now, so maybe stop perpetuating it?

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52816997]to think that the white people who elected trump and hated blm lived carefree lives is ignorant[/QUOTE] No of course their lives aren't carefree, that's not the point I was making. I'm saying they didn't have to see or care about the injustices done to people of color or women or LGBT in this country, because it didn't apply to them, they were exempt from it, and they could ignore it. Why do you think so many people are bitching about the NFL players' peaceful kneeling protest? It's inconvenient to notice. They'd rather just not have to bother thinking about it.

[QUOTE=153x;52816915]The white people who say they are "discriminated against" and yet reported that they themselves have not been victims of discrimination is just a textbook demonstration of crowd mentality. Because a few, very loud, white people will complain that they are "discriminated against" everyone else will just blindly follow along. Textbook crowd mentality[/QUOTE] There are numerous legitimate criticisms of white people who think there is frequent discrimination against white people in society. This isn't one of them. Let me demonstrate why with an example: [quote]The black people who say they are "discriminated against" and yet reported that they themselves have not been victims of discrimination is just a textbook demonstration of crowd mentality. Because a few, very loud, black people will complain that they are "discriminated against" everyone else will just blindly follow along. Textbook crowd mentality[/quote] You don't have to face discrimination first-hand to know that it exists against people in your group. You don't even have to face discrimination first-hand to know that it exists against people in other groups. Saying there's widespread discrimination against your group yet not experiencing it yourself [I]might[/I] mean that said discrimination doesn't exist or isn't widespread. But it also might mean that you're lucky. A better argument of crowd mentality would be if they say discrimination against white people exists but they can't provide any legitimate examples of it happening, both against themselves and against other people.

[QUOTE=V12US;52816958]Conclusion: white man's problems are made up Arguments like these are little hands that carried Trump into the oval office.[/QUOTE] Nowhere in there did it say anything like that. Actually, you even just proved their point. [QUOTE=Last or First;52817004]There are numerous legitimate criticisms of white people who think there is frequent discrimination against white people in society. This isn't one of them. Let me demonstrate why with an example: You don't have to face discrimination first-hand to know that it exists against people in your group. You don't even have to face discrimination first-hand to know that it exists against people in other groups. Saying there's widespread discrimination against your group yet not experiencing it yourself [I]might[/I] mean that said discrimination doesn't exist or isn't widespread. But it also might mean that you're lucky. A better argument of crowd mentality would be if they say discrimination against white people exists but they can't provide any legitimate examples.[/QUOTE] Correct, but the evidence of discrimination against black people is so abundant that you'd have to be clinically braindead to deny it. Yes, there is evidence of discrimination against white people as well, but it's so anecdotal and often overblown that there is a lack of credibility, and that assumption of being discriminated against is more often a product of crowd mentality than logical fear.

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;52817002]No of course their lives aren't carefree, that's not the point I was making. I'm saying they didn't have to see or care about the injustices done to people of color or women or LGBT in this country, because it didn't apply to them, they were exempt from it, and they could ignore it. Why do you think so many people are bitching about the NFL players' peaceful kneeling protest? It's inconvenient to notice. They'd rather just not have to bother thinking about it.[/QUOTE] Not sure why you're treating lgbt people or women as a different race to white people

Because they are particular groups of people with particular issues

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;52817008]Not sure why you're treating lgbt people or women as a different race to white people[/QUOTE] I'm not sure why you think I am? If the inference that "straight white men" isn't obvious, that's what I'm talking about. But there's levels of discrimination between different disadvantaged communities, but that's not really relevant to my post

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52816978] I also find it interesting how a lot of people tried to turn occupy wall street into infighting and racial wars etc, and that's how it kind of fizzled[/QUOTE] The way I remember it is that Occupy Wallstreet got coopted by a number of liberal arts majors and bongo playing hipsters. The media then focused hard on these people, causing the movement to lose a lot of its credibility and support, making it look like a bunch of lazy kids who didn't really know what they wanted. Then law enforcement could sweep the movement off of the streets and nobody outside the movement really cared.

[QUOTE=V12US;52817026]The way I remember it is that Occupy Wallstreet got coopted by a number of liberal arts majors and bongo playing hipsters. The media then focused hard on these people, causing the movement to lose a lot of its credibility and support, making it look like a bunch of lazy kids who didn't really know what they wanted. Then law enforcement could sweep the movement off of the streets and nobody outside the movement really cared.[/QUOTE] |I mean that's a lot of labeling, but what kind of arguments did these people have, and why were they swept away?

I'll bet. Employers discriminate against retards who think they're entitled to a position because of their color.

And there's a growing lack of well paying jobs, so people look for someone to blame

I have forsure. I've been jumped for being white, and I've had scholarships turned down in favor of black applicants with lower grades, which I know for a fact has happened.

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;52817018]I'm not sure why you think I am? If the inference that "straight white men" isn't obvious, that's what I'm talking about. But there's levels of discrimination between different disadvantaged communities, but that's not really relevant to my post[/QUOTE] The original study is about white people in general, there's discrimination against white LGBT people for being white too in the LGBT community, ditto towards white women