Majority Of White Americans Say They Face Discrimination - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;52817050]I have forsure. I've been jumped for being white, and I've had scholarships turned down in favor of black applicants with lower grades, which I know for a fact has happened.[/QUOTE] There should be more scholar ships and lower tuition

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52817067]There should be more scholar ships and lower tuition[/QUOTE] Doesn't address the issue at hand, but I agree for lower tuition partly.

[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;52817120]Doesn't address the issue at hand, but I agree for lower tuition partly.[/QUOTE] It does though, black people are being given scholarships to make up for the fact that more black peole don't have a secondary education. [editline]24th October 2017[/editline] the solution isn't then to give less to black people, but more overall

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If I was asked "Do white people in America face discrimination?" I would answer yes, because has as been said, all races face discrimination. If I was asked 'Do white people in america face significant discrimination?" I would answer no, because in comparison to other forms it is insignificant. EDIT: As said below, it happens. And it is significant to the individuals who experience it. But, in terms of systematic levels of it and the general scale of it, in comparison to discrimination against other categories I do think it is much less significant, or prevalent.

I have been physically attacked for being white before. I know this because the assailant called me a "white piece of shit" as he ran up to try to punch me, unprovoked. And I know I'm not the only person this has happened to. Racism and discrimination exist for all races and creeds. Maybe not everyone will experience it in their life, but most people will - regardless of their colour or beliefs.

A white person can understand that their race are discriminated against in certain cases such as affirmative action, and still themselves not be discriminated against because they haven't been in that situation.

How much of an impact discrimination against whites actually has is a bit more open to debate, but if you want an obvious example of racism against Whites, affirmative action is a great place to start. Affirmative action is literally a catch all example of institutionalized racism at the federal level against Whites and [i]especially[/i] against Eastern Asians. Every White or Asian individual who has ever applied to a college beyond their local community college has faced discrimination. No exceptions. The GPA and SAT requirements are higher. There are far fewer scholarship opportunities. Some schools put you on deferred admission so you get poorer selections for things like housing. We should be trying to fix the societal problems that are the root cause of the problems rather than slapping shitty bandaid fixes that unjustly ruin opportunities for individuals purely because of their race. That means tackling high school and middle school education reform, and dramatic increases in social services. But nope. Arguing for fixing those issues apparently makes you a racist in this day and age. [editline]24th October 2017[/editline] Don't get me wrong. I've got things pretty damn good being white. I recognize that. Hell, I'd say that anyone who doesn't recognize that is an asshole. But it really pisses me off when people say that whites are immune to racism. I've experienced it firsthand on numerous occasions, and the utter refusal to acknowledge the validity of my experiences has seriously pushed me away from a lot of progressive groups in the last 5-10 years. I used to be actively involved in several LGBT type organizations, and then I was repeatedly ridiculued and harassed/threatened for daring to suggest that advocating violence would not be productive. These days I find most of those groups more offensive than they are productive. When your message is no longer about absolute equality and neutrality, you have failed. Pushing a narrative is a self serving form of hypocrisy, and such groups are ultimately no better than their stated opposition in the long run. We've seen this time and time again in the last few years.

Affirmative action is quite interesting. I largely think it exists BECAUSE it's an easy solution and was cheap political capital-wise at the time. It's not the only way to improve racial outcomes, as we've seen in certain states that have outlawed/curtailed it. It needs to go, but it's quite a shame that most of the people who are interested in removing it are conservatives who don't tend to offer strong alternatives. Reform of k-12, and an increase in social services really is the answer, but it's very difficult. You can't just stick more money into schools and hope it works, and a lot of it is beyond schools themselves, as your home life is a massive predictor of academic success. That's where social spending and policy comes into play, but that's expensive and [I]very[/I] complicated. I don't really expect these problems to be largely solved anytime soon.

[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;52817050]I have forsure. I've been jumped for being white, and I've had scholarships turned down in favor of black applicants with lower grades, which I know for a fact has happened.[/QUOTE] Can I see a source on that second claim. 72%~ of scholarships go to Caucasian students, and how could you possibly know the recipients of all the scholarships you personally applied to? [url]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=134623124[/url] [url]http://www.finaid.org/scholarships/20110902racescholarships.pdf[/url]

white people are fucking pathetic hahahaha [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting/You literally just got unbanned my guy." - Pascall))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;52817050]I have forsure. I've been jumped for being white, and I've had scholarships turned down in favor of black applicants with lower grades, which I know for a fact has happened.[/QUOTE] I have a white friend who grew up in Southern California, the only white kid in school. They had a bad time and dropped out as soon as they could. People like that should be the ones trying to fix the problem, because they know how it feels.

As a white American, I don't feel like I'm discrimated against.

I've been personally discriminated against because I was white but being from a county that is 55% African American I have to know what employers are discriminating against whites because that seems unbelievable to me. [editline]24th October 2017[/editline] Interesting how lower and middle income whites feel more discrimination for being white than upper income.

Racism is imminent in societies populated largely by one race and not off of America has white people as the most common race. I, a white person living in America, was discriminated for being white by my middle school because it was around 80% Asian and whites made up a very small fraction of the population. Try being white and living somewhere in China or Mexico and try to say you never got discriminated against.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52817130]It does though, black people are being given scholarships to make up for the fact that more black peole don't have a secondary education. [editline]24th October 2017[/editline] the solution isn't then to give less to black people, but more overall[/QUOTE] From my floor of black kids who were given scholarships and grants and what not, about 5-10 percent have made it through. If you want to help them, stop helping them. It's tough love but that's the way it is. [editline]24th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=plunger435;52817358]Can I see a source on that second claim. 72%~ of scholarships go to Caucasian students, and how could you possibly know the recipients of all the scholarships you personally applied to? [url]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=134623124[/url] [url]http://www.finaid.org/scholarships/20110902racescholarships.pdf[/url][/QUOTE] Athletic scholarship to a Ivy League, the kid who I competed with got the offer instead of me even though I had better grades and athletic talent, but they were under-staffed on minorities that year. They have quotas they have to meet.

[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;52817477]From my floor of black kids who were given scholarships and grants and what not,[B] about 5-10 percent have made it through. [/B] If you want to help them, stop helping them. It's tough love but that's the way it is. [editline]24th October 2017[/editline] Athletic scholarship to a Ivy League, the kid who I competed with got the offer instead of me even though I had better grades and athletic talent, [B]but they were under-staffed on minorities that year. They have quotas they have to meet.[/B][/QUOTE] You said it was multiple scholarships, still no source on the previous part of these new points? Or are you just assuming this is the case?

[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;52817477]From my floor of black kids who were given scholarships and grants and what not, about 5-10 percent have made it through. If you want to help them, stop helping them. It's tough love but that's the way it is. [editline]24th October 2017[/editline] Athletic scholarship to a Ivy League, the kid who I competed with got the offer instead of me even though I had better grades and athletic talent, but they were under-staffed on minorities that year. They have quotas they have to meet.[/QUOTE] ... Or... Free education

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52816750]The fact that most of these people say the think whites are discriminated against AND have not experienced it themselves illustrates a disconnect from reality and ignorance of the kind of racial discrimination that people actually experience in their lives.[/QUOTE] I'm not discounting that, but if their problems are chalked up to something like "white fragility," you can bet someone would feel marginalized, whether that's really the case or not.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52817499]... Or... Free education[/QUOTE] College subsidies are pretty much where they should be right now. The cost of college is trivial compared to the wage premium. Cost is [URL="http://smartstartok.org/sites/default/files/imce/Policies to Foster Human Capital_Heckman.pdf"]nowhere near[/URL] the main factor prohibiting people from going to college. (skip to pages 11-14)

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52817508]College subsidies are pretty much where they should be right now. The cost of college is trivial compared to the wage premium. Cost is [URL="http://smartstartok.org/sites/default/files/imce/Policies%20to%20Foster%20Human%20Capital_Heckman.pdf"]nowhere near[/URL] the main factor prohibiting people from going to college.[/QUOTE] Yeah but... Free

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52817510]Yeah but... Free[/QUOTE] Brazil has free college and it's an extractive institution that serves to give the middle class and wealthy an effective tax cut as they're the only ones that can get a decent secondary education that allows them admittance. Free college isn't inherently a bad policy. But it's stupid to focus on it right now. We have large subsidies in place already that can allow poor people with strong academics and low means to get a college education with very low debt/cost compared to the premium they gain from said education. The large issues that prevent people from getting an education don't have much to do with tuition costs.

It's not the solution to every problem, but it is a solution to a lot of people's issues

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52817523]It's not the solution to every problem, but it is a solution to a lot of people's issues[/QUOTE] If anything it'll make things worse as schools will have less of an ability to redistribute tuition from wealthier students to those with worse means for things like housing. It's one large reason the UK reinstated tuition and saw some beneficial effects from doing so. And again, not really a lot of people according to what I linked and a few other papers on the topic. When we talk about why people don't go, cost is an "empirically unimportant phenomenon" as again, we have high subsidies and means-based aid, other solutions like community colleges that sprung up, and the premium from getting the education being very high relative to cost. Compared to other factors, making college free will not have a strong beneficial effect at the moment when it comes to improving outcomes of poor/disadvantaged people.

This is a nuanced topic and it's painful to see it constantly hedged into oversimplified talking points whenever it comes up. Individual prejudice exists towards all racial and ethnic groups, from any racial and ethnic group and only idiots will disagree with that. You can be attacked or insulted for being white. From a broader social picture, whites are not disadvantaged institutionally the way other minority groups are which is why discrimination against those groups carries more weight. [editline]24th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Sombrero;52816999]With all these garbage tabloids and shit blaming white people and events that ban white people i dont blame them for feeling discriminated.[/QUOTE] How do you think minorities have felt about their representation in media for the last century? [video=youtube;mOaxWyojnJ4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOaxWyojnJ4[/video]

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52817443]I live in an area with a huge native american population. Some fire departments flat out will not hire you unless you're native american.[/QUOTE] Actually, on that note, I think it's absolute bullshit how much power tribes have. One of my friends has a [del]cousin[/del] aunt??? that divorced her tribal husband after he repeatedly raped her and beat her unconscious. He spent a piddly nickel in prison for it (yes I checked the court records.. what wasn't sealed was absolutely sickening), then filed for custody of their kids within a week or two of getting out. Bear in mind that she'd moved across the country weeks after he was sentenced. UCCJEA states that a court has sole jurisdiction over a child after that child has resided in it's jurisdiction for 6 months if there isn't an ongoing case. Normally this would be a couple of hundred dollars to get tossed, and set up so that if he tried to do anything like that again he'd get rudely lectured by a judge and quite possibly forced to pay for her court/legal fees. Yet apparently the tribes' 'sovereign nation' status means that they can just ignore federal law, declare that they have jurisdiction, and rule however they want. I'll spare you the details, but it took her nearly 2 years to get things sorted out, and it cost her her retirement and her inheritance. Meanwhile his lawyers were entirely funded by the tribe. He never paid a cent, and then OD'ed on meth a few years after everything was resolved. Never worked a single day after getting arrested. Never paid a dime in child support. I'm sorry, but you will never [i]ever[/i] convince me that the tribes deserve one iota of the special protections and powers that they have been granted. They can and routinely do abuse their power, and they do not have a great track record with how they treat women.

Don't tribes also tend to be very pyramid-scheme like? As in, great empowering the wealthy in their societies and fucking over the poor? That might just apply to the kinds that thrive off casinos tho, maybe the Navajo nation is great. You can probably say that those protections were necessary in the past at least.

[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;52817477]If you want to help them, stop helping them. It's tough love but that's the way it is.[/QUOTE] Oh, yeah, because removing opportunities to actually have a chance of getting ahead in the game and gaining some semblance of parity with the majority racial group in a country is totally going to help a minority group. These things are offered to try and counteract the incredibly high likelihood that someone from a minority group is going to be in poverty, and therefore has zero chance of accessing further education (the thing you kind need to pull yourself out of poverty even slightly). After nigh-on centuries of heavy discrimination it's kinda hard for a minority group to actually get to parity with a majority group. There's still heavy bias in the subconscious of the majority culture that acts as a barrier to entry for even shitty jobs. Having a "black sounding" name is a great way to get your CV thrown out based on research into hiring practices. Yes, someone from the majority still has a chance of being in poverty, especially today where the highest earners are just consolidating wealth at our expense. But as a rule of thumb, the members of the majority have more access to opportunities off the bat as they tend to not be profiled anywhere near as viciously. The solution isn't to stop offering minority students financial aid to counteract the institutional discrimination their families will have faced for decades, but to actually fix the system to ensure they shouldn't even need the aid to get an education in the first place. It's not impossible to offer education for all, after all. (though with all this ranting and raving about quotas you just sound like someone with a chip on their shoulder...not a good look my guy)

[QUOTE=hexpunK;52817733]But as a rule of thumb[/QUOTE] I don't disagree at all about the issues faced by systemic and in particular unconscious bias, but people who are exceptions to 'rules of thumb' tend not to look favorably on policies that basically say 'you're a statistical outlier, sucks to be you'. And our society tends to sympathize with them- as a rule of thumb, most people are physically able, yet we have laws like the ADA to ensure that everyone is adequately accommodated. As a rule of thumb, most people can easily get personal ID, but things like voter ID laws are opposed because of a small minority that it unfairly penalizes. We want our social systems to be equally inclusive to everybody, not just most people. I mean, that's the point of helping minorities in the first place, and poor whites constitute an identifiable minority with their own set of challenges. Systems that ignore or downplay their problems while essentially appealing to their minority status as a justification are perfect for breeding racial resentment. Throw on the [url=https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/the-painful-truth-about-affirmative-action/263122/]unintended negative consequences[/url] and it's not hard to see why affirmative action is such a divisive solution to a problem that could be solved through more egalitarian means.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52817443]I live in an area with a huge native american population. Some fire departments flat out will not hire you unless you're native american.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Quark:;52817162]I have been physically attacked for being white before. I know this because the assailant called me a "white piece of shit" as he ran up to try to punch me, unprovoked. And I know I'm not the only person this has happened to. Racism and discrimination exist for all races and creeds. Maybe not everyone will experience it in their life, but most people will - regardless of their colour or beliefs.[/QUOTE] PSST. [sp]This is where intersectionalism comes in.[/sp]