Majority Of White Americans Say They Face Discrimination - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52816709]The phrase "white fragility" comes to mind[/QUOTE] Very ignorant statement. This is why people feel the way they do, because they hear stupid terms like this on a regular basis. Most of these terms which were created out of hate. White people face discrimination and racism - yes. Is it institutionalized and widespread? - No. Not necessarily. I believe all people regardless of race face some sort of discrimination or racism. Obviously non-whites have had it the hardest, specially if you look into history and how various races/ethnic groups were targeted (look up Asians and opium dens for example, you'll get an idea of certain themes and reasons behind it). But as an example, when you're constantly told as a white person that your opinion is doesn't matter and you don't have a say or credible point simply because you are white is pretty shitty. What you said basically dismisses these people in the same fashion. I always thought equality was about elevating people, not bringing everyone down so we're all miserable fucks.

[QUOTE=catbarf;52817797]And our society tends to sympathize with them- as a rule of thumb, most people are physically able, yet we have laws like the ADA to ensure that everyone is adequately accommodated. As a rule of thumb, most people can easily get personal ID, but things like voter ID laws are opposed because of a small minority that it unfairly penalizes.[/QUOTE] To be honest, that specific problem is because US does not provide all it's citizens with a free in-country identification that would be acceptable for all ID-related needs. It's actually rather silly, I'd say, that such system isn't in place - the benefits are obvious.

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;52816759]lmao are you assuming the number is being misrepresented and is actually 55/60 or 91.7%? It's still 55%, they're just showing the relevant end of the chart for visual's sake[/QUOTE] The figure is actually fit to be a textbook example of how to poorly present data, or how to present data in a misleading manner. The information that it conveys may be as perfectly representative of the truth as is reasonably possible, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been presented like arse and isn't, at a glance, misleading. It's poor form.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52816750]The fact that most of these people say the think whites are discriminated against AND have not experienced it themselves illustrates a disconnect from reality and ignorance of the kind of racial discrimination that people actually experience in their lives.[/QUOTE] I've experienced racial discrimination for being White, or is that not convenient for your point so you'll just ignore me? To outright say it doesn't exist is literally a disconnect from reality too. To say that it's as widespread as the alt-right would have you believe is complete bullshit designed to scare people into supporting their extremist movements yeah, that's the other side of the same disconnect. No as a white man I don't have it as bad as an inner city black guy would, and no I never claimed I did. That's like saying I have nothing to complain about if my home was robbed and a member of my family killed in said robbery because people in a third world country somewhere have it much worse than I do so nah, no crime committed against me. Seriously, think for a second, imagine telling a sexual assault victim (not even a full blown rape) that they don't have any room to complain or feel victimised because "well some people get raped and possibly murdered afterward so really you didn't have it [I]that[/I] bad!" Imagine telling a male rape victim they're not a rape victim because women experience more rapes than men do. That's literally what you're doing by discounting that racism against white people exists and is a problem. It's not a big problem, but it needs to be treated just as seriously as racism against any other colour of people. Racism is not okay. Period. It should never be tolerated for any reason. We can have varying degrees of racism against white people [I]and[/I] black people existing in the world at the same time. It's not an either/or situation. It's an objective fact that people can and are racist as any race and against any race. And we can accept and do something about this fact without downplaying racism against any kind of people. Think about the claim, now apply it to Asian people. Does racism against Asians exist because they don't have it "as bad as black people"? Or is racism against black people not a thing post 1990 because honestly Middle Eastern/ other "brown" people have it [I]pretty bad[/I] with the whole ISIS/Extremist Islamic terrorism thing that's been going on for the past few decades? It's a very dangerous line of thought to apply the idea that racism doesn't exist simply because it's not the trending major problem in a specific geographic location for a specific demographic. Shit my friend's mom is Indian, so he's kinda vaguely brown, and we got into a fight because some stupid shitler at the bar thought he was "an arab muslim terrorist" on more than one occasion. My black friends don't get accused of being extremist terrorists, they just get called "nigger" and the racist shitstains generally just treat them kinda like a second class person or leave it alone when you tell them to fuck off. Rarely do they get violent because it's a different kind of racism. My half-indian friend literally gets assaulted for his skin colour and perceived religion (he's a Christian, go figure). Because to these people, being brown means you're suddenly some kind of evil monster who wants to kill innocent people. Using the same dumb slope of logic people apply to say "white racism doesn't exist" I can say with the same or less of a stretch that "black racism doesn't exist anymore." That's a retarded statement, no one sane would ever say that. It's pretty fucking clear that in today's America racism against black people still exists and is very damaging to society. Racism in general is damaging to society, and if we keep discounting racism against some races, we're not just going to make those problems worse, we're going to see more and more backlash by those races as they become artificially marginalised and feel like they're being treated unfairly simply for the colour of their skin. It's why the whole new age nazi movement is gaining traction in the US and other places. People are dumb and scared by things that are slightly different than them, and it's easy to pick something so easy to see as different to blame for all your problems. I mean shit, look back to the civil rights movement, the Black Panthers literally set-back civil rights progress because they were racist terrorists. An extreme action merits an extreme response. MLK knew this, all the peaceful movements and leaders knew this. You saw them embracing white people, asian people, all people, as allies for their cause. Because being inclusive doesn't hurt anybody, it empowers those without power, and leaves those with power feeling like their power isn't be threatened. It's a primal thing, people don't like feeling threatened, shocker.

[QUOTE=1/4 Life;52816747]I think this is the damage BLM has done [I](Not saying the alt-right hasn't done more or less damage, PS)[/I]. I've come across people who blame "White" people for everything wrong in the world and forget that that statement alone is racist [I](Or even think that it can't be racist)[/I]. I don't understand why everyone just can't be colorblind. Set an example by not being a racist piece of shit yourself, and then work to support everyone who needs assistance.[/QUOTE] Because being 'colorblind' is often used as a euphemism for ignoring or denying the racial biases that actually exist

[QUOTE=tratzzz;52816611]It seems that people, in an attempt to be more tolerant to other races, forget to be tolerant to all races.[/QUOTE] Luckily Estonia has that covered with simply hating everything non-Estonian :v:

I get it tbh in public schools, white people are made fun of by minorities all the time, and even when there's no malice behind a lot of it, just teasing usually, it doesn't mean it eventually doesn't get to you(speaking as a minority myself) and a lot of people, while they're left leaning, seem to leave poor whites out of social movements, and equations of how well off they are, solely because they're white, when a lot of time they're as stuck as any other minority in their situation. Yeah white people have more social mobility, but only if they're already middle class, otherwise they're stepped on just about as equally in terms of social class. We kind of alienate them by making social mobility so race based, making it discrimination by marginalization they don't get told to go back to their country like I do, but they're ignored by their own country for my benefit a lot of the time.

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;52816857]Ok, yeah, some BLM supporters said some rough shit about how they feel about white people. That's hurtful, sure. But realistically, what actual discrimination do white people face that's at all comparable to the shit that people of color, women, transgender, or gay people get? A black person saying "fuck white people" doesn't have anywhere close to the same impact as an unarmed black dude getting shot by a cop because prejudices lead them to make a call based on some thought, conscious or otherwise, that the black guy was just inherently dangerous. It doesn't have the same impact as a woman getting raped and then facing a bunch of crap like "well, you shouldn't have worn that, dumb bitch," or a trans kid getting bullied or murdered for being trans.[/QUOTE] you realise white people get attacked by non-whites for being white, yeah? not as common as other groups but it happens. [editline]25th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=SIRIUS;52816709]The phrase "white fragility" comes to mind[/QUOTE] Jesus christ saying that makes you look like a cunt I guess black people are fragile for being offended when called a nigger, asians are fragile for being offended when called chinks or gooks, LGBTs are fragile for being offended when called fags, after all they're only harmless words, right?

fuck it this guy gets it [QUOTE=Fire Kracker;52818114]I get it tbh in public schools, white people are made fun of by minorities all the time, and even when there's no malice behind a lot of it, just teasing usually, it doesn't mean it eventually doesn't get to you(speaking as a minority myself) and a lot of people, while they're left leaning, seem to leave poor whites out of social movements, and equations of how well off they are, solely because they're white, when a lot of time they're as stuck as any other minority in their situation. Yeah white people have more social mobility, but only if they're already middle class, otherwise they're stepped on just about as equally in terms of social class. We kind of alienate them by making social mobility so race based, making it discrimination by marginalization they don't get told to go back to their country like I do, but they're ignored by their own country for my benefit a lot of the time.[/QUOTE] Like said before, and say it again, so many of you wanna be Malcolm X, but you don't wanna be Kings.

It's the fighting between races about shit like this that's the problem, instead of adressing these issues and looking for actual solutions

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52818615]It's the fighting between races about shit like this that's the problem, instead of adressing these issues and looking for actual solutions[/QUOTE] The problem is that many people, on both sides, see fighting between races as the actual solution. [editline]24th October 2017[/editline] I'm white, but live in a city that is ~80% hispanic, and have most definitely experienced anti-white racism. To be honest, though, the people who experience the most bigotry in my community are hispanic people, usually <35 y/o, who don't speak Spanish. They are actively derided and insulted by other hispanic people. I have friends who won't go to Mexican markets because they constantly get dirty looks when people find out they don't speak Spanish.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52818657]The problem is that many people, on both sides, see fighting between races as the actual solution. [editline]24th October 2017[/editline] I'm white, but live in a city that is ~80% hispanic, and have most definitely experienced anti-white racism. To be honest, though, the people who experience the most bigotry in my community are hispanic people, usually <35 y/o, who don't speak Spanish. They are actively derided and insulted by other hispanic people. I have friends who won't go to Mexican markets because they constantly get dirty looks when people find out they don't speak Spanish.[/QUOTE] So once again, who benefits from a divided and weakened middle and lower class?

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52818615]It's the fighting between races about shit like this that's the problem, instead of adressing these issues and looking for actual solutions[/QUOTE] A lot of people treat it as a contest over who gets to be the most oppressed. And of course only their problem matters. Rather than just trying to universally end all forms of discrimination. People fight over that. Doesn't make much sense really.

[QUOTE=plunger435;52817496]You said it was multiple scholarships, still no source on the previous part of these new points? Or are you just assuming this is the case?[/QUOTE] My apologies, the scholarships I was talking about originally were athletic scholarships, the other ones were kids who got in who grew up in poor neighborhoods and had terrible grades but got in through programs and special grants, different subject. As for the athletic scholarships, so far as the Ivy league schools go there is a quota mandated for black students, and black athletes are easy fill to fill it up. You don't have to have as high of grades as a black student, and as a athlete as well(I almost got into Cornell with a 3.2 GPA with a 28 ACT, seriously lol. The only thing that held me back was I had too many C's on my transcript, not my GPA). Obviously I have no damning proof the kid was selected because of his race, but most of the signs point to it. To completely disregard it would be asinine. If you ignore race, wouldn't you select the kid with better athletic number, better academic numbers, and better potential(I had a bigger frame and was stronger, he peaked in HS)?. As a sidenote, my brother got turned down from the Marines officer school because he wasn't hispanic. That's straight from the recruiters mouth too, no bullshit. Every race gets discriminated against, it's not fair, but to say that white people don't and that they should just deal with it is retarded.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52818673]So once again, who benefits from a divided and weakened middle and lower class?[/QUOTE] nobody, but tribalistic beliefs-- bigotry going either way, racism going any way, sexism going any way, etc. etc.-- aren't reasonable, rational, or anything along those lines

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;52816627]So 36% of white americans say discrimination against them because they are white exists but also say that they have never actually experienced it Bravo? And, i guess it's no surprise, after Trump's campaigning and election. it was pretty much the cornerstone of his support base rallying.[/QUOTE] I don't get it, is the only time someone could be discriminated against is when they are: * Applying for a job * Being considered for pay/promotion at a job * Applying to or while at college People can't be discriminated against at a restaurant, walking down the street, looking to buy a house, or any one of millions of other experiences in a given person's life beyond three exceptionally narrow questions? Unjust or prejudicial treatment goes a lot deeper than getting equal employment opportunities, equal pay, and equal schooling; if it didn't, eliminating discrimination would be a lot easier (though still by no means trivial). And yes, while making less money or not being able to get a job has a very high impact on an individual, that does not make discrimination in other ways any better, any more acceptable, nor any easier for the individuals being discriminated against to deal with.

[QUOTE=shotgun334;52824526]nobody, but tribalistic beliefs-- bigotry going either way, racism going any way, sexism going any way, etc. etc.-- aren't reasonable, rational, or anything along those lines[/QUOTE] Nobody? No, the people who benefit are the 1%