Elon Musk Launches Neuralink to Connect Brains With Computers
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I want to spend the rest of eternity as a Roomba.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;52022688]Alex Jones doesn't exactly keep his thoughts a secret anyway[/QUOTE]
he can overload the internet with all that rage inside him
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52024487] three there is some civil investigations going around The More intelligent sphere of the right (Not Pizzagate, thank god), Musk maybe not the genius he says he is.[/QUOTE]
Are you talking about the conservative propaganda think-tank spreading misinformation about him?
[url]https://stopelonfromfailingagain.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.cftr.org/[/url]
Not exactly fair and balanced journalism.
[QUOTE=OvB;52025186]Are you talking about the conservative propaganda think-tank spreading misinformation about him?
[url]https://stopelonfromfailingagain.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.cftr.org/[/url]
Not exactly fair and balanced journalism.[/QUOTE]
More like portions of Silicon Valley acting like organized crime.
[QUOTE=Kazumi;52024918]I know, I'm a neuroscientist. On top of that there are a bunch of ethical red tapes in the way as well as philosophical uncertainties. If we cannot even agree upon a definition of consciousness, how would we be able to upload it to a machine?
In any case, I'm less excited about the target goal of this enterprise, and much more interested in what we will learn along the way.[/QUOTE]
If we can't even find a definition of consciousness, is there really a point in trying to conserve it? It's a hollow word without any meaning. Consciousness as a concept is basically the result of taking the concept of soul from religion, removing its permanence, removing its separation from the material plane, thus resulting in... Nothing.
As far as I'm concerned, we're just very complex material objects.
[QUOTE=_Axel;52025247]If we can't even find a definition of consciousness, is there really a point in trying to conserve it? It's a hollow word without any meaning. Consciousness as a concept is basically the result of taking the concept of soul from religion, removing its permanence, removing its separation from the material plane, thus resulting in... Nothing.
As far as I'm concerned, we're just very complex material objects.[/QUOTE]
Fairly similar to my thought process; consciousness was thought up by humans in an era where the understanding of the world on a scientific level was fairly non-existent and just plastered the soul over consciousnesses. I like the theory of human quantum minds which makes more sense as being our consciousness compared to the old concept of a soul.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52025134]Remember Point three, there is reason to believe musk is deliberatly proposing far-out projects now just to get money, to try to salvage other projects, or his whole line-up is a money funneling project with some mixed results.[/QUOTE]
dude, what are you talking about? first off, elon musk isn't part of 'the right', nor is he part of 'the left'. why would elon musk need to propose far-out projects just to get money for his other projects? what other projects does he even have? spacex and tesla are both massive commercial successes that don't need any of his own personal cash to stay afloat.
as for your last point, are you trying to imply that elon is skimming money off the top of spacex and tesla? even if he were, how does that defeat the fact that they've both made massive strides in their respective industries?
[QUOTE=Zombii;52026338]dude, what are you talking about? first off, elon musk isn't part of 'the right', nor is he part of 'the left'. why would elon musk need to propose far-out projects just to get money for his other projects? what other projects does he even have? spacex and tesla are both massive commercial successes that don't need any of his own personal cash to stay afloat.
as for your last point, are you trying to imply that elon is skimming money off the top of spacex and tesla? even if he were, how does that defeat the fact that they've both made massive strides in their respective industries?[/QUOTE]
well there's the hyperloop, you know that thing that literally can't work as proposed
[QUOTE=butre;52026577]well there's the hyperloop, you know that thing that literally can't work as proposed[/QUOTE]
well, the hyperloop isn't a business or a 'project' it was just a proposal. what do you mean can't work as proposed? iirc it was mostly as simple as a maglev in near-vacuum, and there are several working prototypes competing against each other right now
[QUOTE=butre;52026577]well there's the hyperloop, you know that thing that literally can't work as proposed[/QUOTE]
Elon Musk isn't working on the Hyperloop. He thought about it and had his engineers design one, and now they host design projects for universities which is objectively a good thing because it makes students think outside the box. Any Hyperloop project outside of that is completely, and legally outside of Elon Musk's influence, personally and financially.
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Elon's other projects include OpenAI, The Boring Company, and NeuraLink.
[QUOTE=OvB;52026684]
Elon's other projects include OpenAI, [B]The Boring Company[/B], and NeuraLink.[/QUOTE]PayPal?
[QUOTE=Zombii;52026675]well, the hyperloop isn't a business or a 'project' it was just a proposal. what do you mean can't work as proposed? iirc it was mostly as simple as a maglev in near-vacuum, and there are several working prototypes competing against each other right now[/QUOTE]
if by working prototypes you mean can only hit 40 miles per hour and screech to a halt in 50 feet or less sure
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52026692]PayPal?[/QUOTE]
Paypal was never technically founded by Elon Musk. While he get's the credit for it, Paypal was a product of Coinfininty, a company that Elon Musk's X.com merged with. Elon was only involved wth Paypal for two years.
Seems to me that this technology is too far away from our current grasp on neurology and computers to be achievable in any near future, if at all. Then again it's Elon so I wouldn't be surprised if you are able to enhance yourself in 10 years for a million bucks.
[QUOTE=loopoo;52023097]jacking yourself off and becoming a normal monkey[/QUOTE]
idk I feel like I pretty much become a monkey every time I jack myself off anyway
[QUOTE=343N;52026788][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/G80zLmM.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]Oh, I thought OvB was just being melodramatic or something? Sorry OvB .
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[QUOTE=OvB;52026805]Paypal was never technically founded by Elon Musk. While he get's the credit for it, Paypal was a product of Coinfininty, a company that Elon Musk's X.com merged with. Elon was only involved wth Paypal for two years.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I didn't know that....
i fear there'd be a class problem with this
i'd imagine this'd initially be super expensive, but with the powers and abilities something like this could give you, you could have a much easier time creating much more wealth considering you're stupendously knowledgeable, meaning even more wealth for the wealthy
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;52023077]I swear that they better not have WiFi or any other wireless built into these things, I'd be perfectly content with an ethernet jack on the back of my neck.
For style points and security reasons.[/QUOTE]
Just put yourself into Cyberbrain autistic mode.
[QUOTE=Synecdoche;52027627]Just put yourself into Cyberbrain autistic mode.[/QUOTE]
Hopefully yeah, but there'll still be some boneheaded software guy thinking over-the-air updates are a great idea w/o any risks whatsoever.
[QUOTE=_Axel;52025247]If we can't even find a definition of consciousness, is there really a point in trying to conserve it? It's a hollow word without any meaning. Consciousness as a concept is basically the result of taking the concept of soul from religion, removing its permanence, removing its separation from the material plane, thus resulting in... Nothing.
As far as I'm concerned, we're just very complex material objects.[/QUOTE]
Note that I didn't say that we couldn't [I]find[/I] a definition, at the moment we can't [I]agree[/I] on one. The science of consciousness is incredibly young. Didn't get any proper traction until early 90's.
And as far as I know, I didn't mention anything about conservation? I only said that it's going to be insanely difficult. I could go on, but that would require me to literally recite my first 2½ years of university.
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;52023077]I swear that they better not have WiFi or any other wireless built into these things, I'd be perfectly content with an ethernet jack on the back of my neck.
For style points and security reasons.[/QUOTE]
I hope they do the ghost in the shell thing where all interfaces are hard wired for security/privacy reasons but you can wear a wireless peripheral outside of your body you can turn off/ take off at any time. It also acts as a "brain vm" and takes any unwanted infections/attacks so they don't hurt your actual brain.
This and the head transplant that is going to happen in a few moths were dreams I wish I was the one to achieve.
Born too late once again.
[QUOTE=343N;52027279]i fear there'd be a class problem with this
i'd imagine this'd initially be super expensive, but with the powers and abilities something like this could give you, you could have a much easier time creating much more wealth considering you're stupendously knowledgeable, meaning even more wealth for the wealthy[/QUOTE]
No more than cell phones or cars at their debute. Worrying about any new thing not being able to be acquired by every conceivable person at debut is a pointless and fruitless worry.
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;52023103]TBH, I kind hope this introduces some kind of virtual world technology ala the Matrix, [B]SL[/B][/QUOTE]
Jack in there for five minutes and you're traumatized for life
Pretty stoked for this myself, especially if the speed of development really takes of [I]a la[/I] SpaceX's reusable tech and starts really hitting the market fast. I know I'd be up for getting augmented in that sense if it was available for a decent price point and with some safety protocols in place.
Additionally, while I'm sure there's already some who are panicking about the cybersecurity risks of this potential field of tech (GiTS, anyone?) I think that between physical protective systems (hardwired jacks over wireless connections) and good software that most people using this would be fairly safe- most security risks would likely be in regard to high-profile individuals with the tech being targeted.
[QUOTE=Kazumi;52028582]Note that I didn't say that we couldn't [I]find[/I] a definition, at the moment we can't [I]agree[/I] on one. The science of consciousness is incredibly young. Didn't get any proper traction until early 90's.
And as far as I know, I didn't mention anything about conservation? I only said that it's going to be insanely difficult. I could go on, but that would require me to literally recite my first 2½ years of university.[/QUOTE]
What are the proposed definitions of consciousness from a neurological standpoint? I only know of philosophical definitions and they're more often than not really vague. Maybe a scientific point of view could help ground things a bit more for me. I assume that if a science of consciousness exists it means that there is a consensus about certain aspects of its definition.
I wouldn't compare with fiction, but yeah, Ghost in the Shell, Matrix, Megaman Battle Network, and maybe Digimon as a not-so far away next step.
Consciousness and reality perception are distorted by stimuli, a lot of variables could go wrong. And only 1 could be enough to permanently mess up your brain.
I can't describe how are they going to secure something as important as a brain-hardware link. If you don't make it 100% personal, you will have intruders playing with your thoughts.
I'm not pessimist, you just don't want any mistakes when we are talking about the most important, advanced and powerful piece of matter.
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;52023077]I swear that they better not have WiFi or any other wireless built into these things, I'd be perfectly content with an ethernet jack on the back of my neck.[/QUOTE]
They will have WiFi, constant pop ups asking you to link your brain activity to your Facebook, and all security concerns will be solved by letting people set a password.
The password will be password1234.
[QUOTE=Dr.HAXXXX;52023136]Real Datajacks huh? How long till we daisy chain a bunch of people together like more "cores" in a processor.[/QUOTE]
[t]http://cdn-static.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/article_width/public/2016/11/monk-hive.jpg?itok=iaiQDNzR[/t]?
[QUOTE=Karmah;52028800]No more than cell phones or cars at their debute. Worrying about any new thing not being able to be acquired by every conceivable person at debut is a pointless and fruitless worry.[/QUOTE]
mmm yeah but this turns you into a literal superhuman. maybe somewhat fruitless but i could argue it matters more that someone has this than say, a cellphone or a car
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