Drugs are killing so many people in Ohio that cold-storage trailers are being used as morgues - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;52049813]Drug culture here in BC is huge and gross in general. Most House parties I've been to on this coast have people popping pills, needles, etc... And that retarded whippits shit too. Like I thought east coast parties sucked with people getting too drunk or smoking pot constantly but JFC west coast is on a new level.[/QUOTE] whippets are very safe when done correctly (sitting down, with a balloon etc.) see: the dentists office just another example of how poor education can fuck people up

[QUOTE=cis.joshb;52049984]whippets are very safe when done correctly (sitting down, with a balloon etc.) see: the dentists office just another example of how poor education can fuck people up[/QUOTE] Inhaling a gas that's heavier than air isn't safe regardless. You're literally getting high via oxygen deprivation to the brain. Also no, it's not as safe as the dentist office lol. That's a controlled medical environment, not a house party full of burn outs and drunks huffing gasses.

[QUOTE=cis.joshb;52049984]whippets are very safe when done correctly (sitting down, with a balloon etc.) see: the dentists office just another example of how poor education can fuck people up[/QUOTE] The "high" from huffing NOS is literally hypoxia. And I say that as someone that was idiotic enough to try it once a few years ago, and someone that's been in a hypobaric chamber to learn what my hypoxia symptoms are for aviation training. I also don't think comparing the safe administration of medical NOS by a trained professional in a clinical setting to huffing cooking-grde NOS out of a whipped cream dispenser at a house party is really fair on those trained medical guys and gals. [editline]2nd April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52050189]Inhaling a gas that's heavier than air isn't safe regardless. You're literally getting high via oxygen deprivation to the brain. Also no, it's not as safe as the dentist office lol. That's a controlled medical environment, not a house party full of burn outs and drunks huffing gasses.[/QUOTE] ^also this

It's not hypoxia. Nitrous oxide modulates the activity of a range of ligand-gated ion channels in the brain; importantly it's a NDMA receptor antagonist, which contributes to its anaesthetic and euphoriant effects.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52050366]It's not hypoxia. Nitrous oxide modulates the activity of a range of ligand-gated ion channels in the brain; importantly it's a NDMA receptor antagonist, which contributes to its anaesthetic and euphoriant effects.[/QUOTE] The tunnel vision and disorientation are most definitely hypoxia. Hypoxia also carries a feeling of euphoria/relaxation with it in many that experience it.

[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;52050373]The tunnel vision and disorientation are most definitely hypoxia. Hypoxia also carries a feeling of euphoria/relaxation with it in many that experience it.[/QUOTE] If you're inhaling it from a balloon then yes, you will get hypoxia. But when supplied with oxygen, nitrous oxide still induces euphoria and has an anaesthetic effect.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52050388]If you're inhaling it from a balloon then yes, you will get hypoxia. But when supplied with oxygen, nitrous oxide still induces euphoria and has an anaesthetic effect.[/QUOTE] Please tell me exactly how many house parties you've seen that have a proper set-up with oxygen tanks to mix gasses and such. Probably a grand total of none?

[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52012891]The War on Drugs is the exact reason Crack Cocaine exists. Literally the progression was: 1. massive crackdown on cocaine 2. cocaine prices shoot major high because supply is being fucked 3. Smuggling a large package of white powder is fucking impossible now. So in order to get more cocaine into the US, smugglers develop a way to condense powdered cocaine into crystals that can later be turned back into cocaine. 4. some fucking dingus figures out you can just smoke these dangerous ass crystals and get absolutely fucked instead of having to turn it back into powdered cocaine 5. crack cocaine is now a thing[/QUOTE] Don't bother arguing with Claxx, hes too entrenched in his view that all substances should be illegal and banned prohibition style, rather than allow people to be responsible for their own decisions if they decide to use a substance dangerously or improperly, he has a rocky history with family members who used substances irresponsibly and he paid the price for it so hes coming from a place of emotion. Nothing in this thread or the previous threads he posted in could convince him that his ideal plan was shortsighted and would create more problems than it could ever solve.

[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52050688]Please tell me exactly how many house parties you've seen that have a proper set-up with oxygen tanks to mix gasses and such. Probably a grand total of none?[/QUOTE] Sheer Visor said "the "high" from huffing NOS is literally hypoxia", and you said "you're literally getting high via oxygen deprivation to the brain". This is a mistaken notion I was trying to correct. I didn't say anything about how safe recreational use of nitrous oxide is or can be.

It's entirely possible to use N2O safely and not experience dangerous Oxygen deprivation. So long as you remember to take in O2 somehow and not just continually breathe in and out of the balloon like a lot of people you're fine. [editline]3rd April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52049258]LSD is actually really dangerous, I had a few friends almost die from it because one's GF had a bad trip and went into a psychotic rage, she attacked him with some glass she broke and he was close to losing his entire arm due to the severe muscle damage on the shoulder where she cut and stabbed. Shit I once took a very small amount of shrooms, far less than I would usually take when I was into drugs, and I had a horrible time. I had this feeling I was bleeding, and despite the lack of actual harm done to me (both me and my sober gf checked), I felt like I was bleeding to death, not just thought, I actually felt like I was bleeding. Multiple times I felt incredible pain and came to terms with the idea that maybe I was dying for some reason. I'd collapse into a barely breathing comatose state apparently and then I'd suddenly wake up gasping for air despite the fact I was breathing the entire time anyway. I could hardly stand when I needed to, and much, much more. Probably the only thing that saved me from a bad trip, being in the hospital or dying was the fact I've a great deal of experience with psychedelics, especially LSD and was able to keep a very level head about me with drugs. Still no idea what caused that small dose of shrooms to fuck me up so bad either, could have been bad, laced, idk. Either way, I stopped doing shrooms after that. LSD, for me anyway, was always a much better experience. My point is: psychedelics are incredibly dangerous. All drugs, even Alcohol, tobacco, and pot, are dangerous. Some are less dangerous than others of course, but they're all mind impairing substances and all should be treated with the proper respect and responsibility they deserve as they can all destroy your life if you let them.[/QUOTE] LSD is one of the safest drugs out there in terms of physical harm, as are most Psychedelics. I'm sorry you had a bad time but whatever latent or minor psychological problem, uneasiness, paranoia, whatever it was that led you to have a bad trip cannot be projected onto everyone. Hell, even going into it with the wrong mindset can make you have a bad time. With psychedelics it's almost always the person at fault as opposed to the drug being inherently dangerous.

People who typify these poor, unfortunate people as skag-shooting scumholes forget that opiate addiction began amongst the gentry in the Victorian era. Fucking retarded to think that opiate habits have just suddenly become this bogan-only thing.

[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52050189]Inhaling a gas that's heavier than air isn't safe regardless. You're literally getting high via oxygen deprivation to the brain. Also no, it's not as safe as the dentist office lol. That's a controlled medical environment, not a house party full of burn outs and drunks huffing gasses.[/QUOTE] It's not through oxygen deprivation. To be clear I don't think that highs from oxygen deprivation (such as traditional inhalants like duster and shit) are safe at all, rather the opposite. The high from nitrous comes from it interacting with your brain. That why when it is administered mixed with oxygen in the dentist's office it still has its anesthetic and euphoriant effects. [editline]3rd April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Sheer Visor;52050334]The "high" from huffing NOS is literally hypoxia. And I say that as someone that was idiotic enough to try it once a few years ago, and someone that's been in a hypobaric chamber to learn what my hypoxia symptoms are for aviation training. I also don't think comparing the safe administration of medical NOS by a trained professional in a clinical setting to huffing cooking-grde NOS out of a whipped cream dispenser at a house party is really fair on those trained medical guys and gals.[/QUOTE] to address the medical setting argument: the reason a medical setting is safe is because they use the correct practices. Correct practices that are very easy to learn. The only things that can go wrong are treated through taking the mask off (in the office), or dropping the balloon in a recreational setting (which is arguably easier, and happens automatically if one were to lose consciousness). [editline]3rd April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Sheer Visor;52050373]The tunnel vision and disorientation are most definitely hypoxia. Hypoxia also carries a feeling of euphoria/relaxation with it in many that experience it.[/QUOTE] feel free to ignore the science of the matter then [editline]3rd April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Headhumpy;52050388]If you're inhaling it from a balloon then yes, you will get hypoxia. But when supplied with oxygen, nitrous oxide still induces euphoria and has an anaesthetic effect.[/QUOTE] Actually, all you have to do is breathe in some oxygen after you exhale the nitrous (you hold it in for like 20 seconds at the most, not long enough to cause hypoxia). Even if you are using the rebreathing method (exhaling back into the balloon to inhale again), you can exhale it into the balloon and just hold the balloon while you take a breath or two. There's no reason to experience hypoxia from nitrous unless you are ill informed and don't intake any additional oxygen. Even if you do cause hypoxia, it can last at the most until you pass out and begin breathing oxygen again (as the balloon has fallen away). You pass out long before brain damage would begin.

[QUOTE=Crumpet;52052315]It's entirely possible to use N2O safely and not experience dangerous Oxygen deprivation. So long as you remember to take in O2 somehow and not just continually breathe in and out of the balloon like a lot of people you're fine. [editline]3rd April 2017[/editline] LSD is one of the safest drugs out there in terms of physical harm, as are most Psychedelics. I'm sorry you had a bad time but whatever latent or minor psychological problem, uneasiness, paranoia, whatever it was that led you to have a bad trip cannot be projected onto everyone. Hell, even going into it with the wrong mindset can make you have a bad time. With psychedelics it's almost always the person at fault as opposed to the drug being inherently dangerous.[/QUOTE] To be fair that's the only bad trip I ever had out of a lot of trips on lsd and shrooms, and I've always found my brain had the lesser side of trips on shrooms, so for all I know it's a unique interaction between my brain and psilocybin specifically. They're safe if you're prepared and doing them responsibly, like any drug. But that doesn't mean they're 100% defacto safe, which is the core point I'm making here, if you're not careful and respectful of the power that drugs have, you're going to get fucked by them. Kids inhaling Nitrous Oxide directly from the tank or fucking dying from it at house parties is because they're not respectful and responsible of/with the drug. People who bum around and can't/won't work because all they want to do is smoke pot all day, alcoholics, heroin junkies, meth addicts, etc.. Every drug is dangerous if you don't use it properly, every drug is significantly less dangerous if you do, some to the point of being basically harmless if used correctly. To say that any drugs are defacto safe is the argument I have a problem with, because it's objectively wrong, not that a drug [I]can[/I] be used responsibly/safely.

[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52053410]To be fair that's the only bad trip I ever had out of a lot of trips on lsd and shrooms, and I've always found my brain had the lesser side of trips on shrooms, so for all I know it's a unique interaction between my brain and psilocybin specifically. They're safe if you're prepared and doing them responsibly, like any drug. But that doesn't mean they're 100% defacto safe, which is the core point I'm making here, if you're not careful and respectful of the power that drugs have, you're going to get fucked by them. Kids inhaling Nitrous Oxide directly from the tank or fucking dying from it at house parties is because they're not respectful and responsible of/with the drug. People who bum around and can't/won't work because all they want to do is smoke pot all day, alcoholics, heroin junkies, meth addicts, etc.. Every drug is dangerous if you don't use it properly, every drug is significantly less dangerous if you do, some to the point of being basically harmless if used correctly. To say that any drugs are defacto safe is the argument I have a problem with, because it's objectively wrong, not that a drug [I]can[/I] be used responsibly/safely.[/QUOTE] Yeah totally. Sorry if I came off as insensitive, a bad trip can really be one of the most terrible experiences. Sounds like your friend had a nasty time too.

[QUOTE=Crumpet;52053740]Yeah totally. Sorry if I came off as insensitive, a bad trip can really be one of the most terrible experiences. Sounds like your friend had a nasty time too.[/QUOTE] It's all good. I probably came off a bit strong too since people are usually so polarised drug or antidrug that it's often pretty easy to lump them into camps.