Magic mushrooms are the safest recreational drug, study says - Sensationalist Headlines

Safe? Why've I been doing them all this time then? Time to move onto huffing paint thinner. You can also hallucinate from taking too much Benadryl I found that out on accident. I am not a bright man.

[QUOTE=geel9;52269804]They may be the safest physiologically but psychologically they can do some real damage. Shrooms are the only known psychedelic to have a permanent effect on a person's personality.[/QUOTE] Are they? I thought most psychedelics ie LSD mescaline and DMT had that capacity. Or are they the one that's been studied in depth in that context?

I've never done mushrooms, but I know a guy who had a wild youth and did almost everything more times than he probably should've. He has this story of going to a party with a bag of shrooms and his friends only wanted one cap and stem instead of the considerable amount he was expecting them to want. So he had enough shrooms for 6-10 people, and he decided to eat them all. 3 or 4 hours later, he sat down in front of the wood fire burning in the fireplace in the living room. And he sat there for 11 hours in silence, communing with the logs and offering them empathy as they burned. It was without communication, but he was all like, "I love you, logs, you're sacrificing yourself to keep me warm, what a wonderful friend you are to me!" People would come up to him and be like, "Hey, man, you okay?" And he'd look up at them and kind of nod, but he couldn't remember how to talk. It was just something he was trapped in, and then they'd walk away and he'd go back to mutely praising the fire and identifying with the burning logs. Finally, people came to his friends and were like, "Uh, what's with Mike? He's just been sitting in front of the fire all night and when we come and ask him if he's okay, he doesn't talk, he just makes eye contact and turns back to the fire." So one of his friends walked over to him and looked him in the eyes, and she said "Apple cart." And the wholesomeness of those random words, "apple cart", just unlocked him, and he said, "Yes! Yes, apple cart! Thank you! Apple cart!" and then he got up and went to rejoin the party. I don't know if I want to try shrooms [I]more[/I] or [I]less[/I] because of that story. :v:

[QUOTE=lope;52269310]well that's the thing with shrooms, you take them once then you don't want to take them again for like a month. It's weird and chemical (and obviously doesn't apply to everyone), but you can take shrooms, love it, then just have no desire to do it again for a month or so. Even pot gives you minor desires to do it again simply because it's fun. [editline]24th May 2017[/editline] source: i've never done shrooms but my roommate has[/QUOTE] This is an absolute falsehood, Acid makes me want to take a small break but if I have an ounce of shrooms that's easily my week gone [editline]24th May 2017[/editline] I'm really surprised how fucked some of you guys get off shrooms. Facing a slice is certainly a ride but I've ALWAYS ended shroom trips feeling nirvanic. Acid on the other hand has split my ego from my physical wayyyy too many times

[QUOTE=ironman17;52269219]So long as you have a clean sitter, you should be ok.[/QUOTE] If you need another person to keep you from losing your mind, it's probably not "the safest drug".

I had a family member take them frequently and now they're off in the deep end. I'm going to avoid them.

Took it just 2 days ago, and possibly the best experience of my life thus far. It made me so much more positive about life, and I never felt this good, dancing in the rain, and the trees were saying hello to me.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;52270760]This is an absolute falsehood, Acid makes me want to take a small break but if I have an ounce of shrooms that's easily my week gone [editline]24th May 2017[/editline] I'm really surprised how fucked some of you guys get off shrooms. Facing a slice is certainly a ride but I've ALWAYS ended shroom trips feeling nirvanic. Acid on the other hand has split my ego from my physical wayyyy too many times[/QUOTE] I think it's an individual thing. For me, LSD was pretty tame and I never once experiences a bad trip, or even felt like I was having a split ego or anything. But I've taken shrooms five times and all 5 times I was absolutely fucked out of my mind for a solid 6-7 hours. So yeah, I think it's how your individual body/brain reacts to the stuff, the importance of starting out with small doses and working up is something I've always personally stressed and believed heavily in. I've experienced hallucinations similar to the very tail end of an acid trip just by smoking some pot, 2 bong hits and I'm there, most people don't experience that. Shit, I don't think anyone I know has tbh, my friends were absolutely fucking terrified when I asked them if they'd seen anything cool yet and was wanting recommendations for objects to look at for neat patterns. It's just how my brain handles it, and everyone's got a different brain chemistry, different tolerances, etc.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52270979]If you need another person to keep you from losing your mind, it's probably not "the safest drug".[/QUOTE] That's not what a trip sitter does. They're there to comfort you if you start to go into a bad trip or if an emergency occurs and you're obviously too high to handle it. Otherwise they don't really do much. I don't even take drugs and I know this. The way you said it is like if mushrooms make you crazy and someone has to be there to stop it. That's just silly.

My take on this is that people who do shrooms are more experienced with recreational drugs. Weed didn't scare them and they enjoyed it, so they wanted to try something else and so they move onto shrooms as their first psychedelic. I know so many people that have panicked their first time smoking weed and they call paramedics, when they're fine physically but they have never mentally felt this way and they panic and induce panic/anxiety attacks. I don't think it has anything to do with THC's components but a user's specific tolerance. Weed is more mainstream (where I am from) and i'd say more weak minded people try it and freak out. But the tolerant then try shrooms and do fine because they didn't freak out with weed. I think that saying weed is stronger nowadays does have some impact on people freaking out and calling a paramedic, but it has nothing to do with THC inherently but the massive amount people put into themselves. Like the time I drank half a water bottle of vodka in 5 minutes for my first time (120lb 5"7 16 yo) drinking. I fucking blacked out and my friends had to carry me home to my parents. If I just drank less, i would've been fine and had a good time. It's not that alcohol is inherently bad, a massive amount of anything is dangerous and can lead to paramedic calls. Also i don't completely understand the study. I don't see how someone could do shrooms everyday and be stable. I used to smoke weed everyday for 5 years (about half a gram a day on average), and am now sober. During that time I made dean's list several times and completed my undergrad. When you're tripping you can't think straight, drive or simply speak. I don't know how shrooms are a "safer recreational drug". This study is talking about a medical/mental health use, not recreational.

[QUOTE=sourcegamer101;52269961]after becoming a stoner and smoking weed fairly often now, something has always strongly compelled me to try a psychedelic at least once in my life cause ive never tripped before, and this thread is reinforcing that. ive done my research on psilocin and many other psychedelic and dissociative chemicals, as well as read numerous trip reports too. i really want to try DMT also[/QUOTE] As long as you go in with a positive mindset I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Psychedelics have helped me come to terms with a few of my core character flaws and you always have a cool story coming out of it. Trip sitters are useful but I've never needed one personally and I fuck with this stuff hardcore. Hope you enjoy it if you try it!

As someone with a long family history of alcoholism and mental disorder including serious depression and anxiety, I think I'm going to have to stay pretty far away from drugs for my whole life. Maybe a little unfortunate I guess, but I wont lose any sleep over it.

[QUOTE=kariko;52271716]That's not what a trip sitter does. They're there to comfort you if you start to go into a bad trip or if an emergency occurs and you're obviously too high to handle it. Otherwise they don't really do much. I don't even take drugs and I know this. The way you said it is like if mushrooms make you crazy and someone has to be there to stop it. That's just silly.[/QUOTE] Also to add to this, once you consume a psychedelic you're not able to stop the trip. It just has to take its course and wear off on its own. The only thing a sitter can do is try and talk you out of the bad trip and comfort you. If you end up on a really, really bad trip and end up in emergency care for some reason you're just going to get pumped with sedatives and strapped to a bed until the drugs wear off. There's literally nothing that can be done otherwise.

[QUOTE=Toothpick;52269280]I can guarantee marijuana is the cause of a large percentage of heart attack calls (which is what this article is basing its findings on). Especially now, weed is getting damn powerful. I even feel the heart shit sometimes.[/QUOTE] I left coloradao a week or so ago. The hash oil can whoop a newbies ass.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52272048]I left coloradao a week or so ago. The hash oil can whoop a newbies ass.[/QUOTE] My girlfriend did wax her first weed experience and forgot her species. Remember: enjoy within your tolerance!

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52271908]As someone with a long family history of alcoholism and mental disorder including serious depression and anxiety, I think I'm going to have to stay pretty far away from drugs for my whole life. Maybe a little unfortunate I guess, but I wont lose any sleep over it.[/QUOTE] Weed and other hard core drugs can be used to help with emotional issues. That would take someone knowing what the hell they doing to make it work. Just dropping some peyote to gain some internal insight without decent guidance can lead to trouble. With proper guidance is another story. [editline]25th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=No Party Hats;52272053]My girlfriend did wax her first weed experience and forgot her species. Remember: enjoy within your tolerance![/QUOTE] I had no tolerance. I had a dribble of oil of 90 potency. The amount was the size of my pinkie nail. I took some about early in the morning. I didn't come to till three days later..

I honestly think everyone should try a psychedelic, preferably shrooms, at least once (barring those that have family history of mental illness, not really worth the risk). Pop culture likes to make a big joke out of the "profundity" of psychedelics and always portrays people tripping as like, seeing purple elephants and then crying about their childhood or something, but it really does change the way you think, if only temporarily, and that new perspective can be really helpful in life. Psychedelics are almost like a tool, imo. You can use them to just get fucked off and have a fun ride, but you can also do some really meaningful and constructive thinking about things that you may not have previously realized or understood.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;52269230]So Marijuana is not a recreational drug anymore?[/QUOTE] What's safe about inhaling smoke into your lungs? It's healthi[B]er[/B] than other drugs but that doesn't mean it's healthi[b]est[/b] Though I'm just talking in a general sense and not saying that mushrooms are in fact healthier or anything, because I don't really know much about that drug in particular. I've never gotten fucked up on a substance, let alone made looking into all of them something I'd bother doing.

[QUOTE=gk99;52272326]What's safe about inhaling smoke into your lungs? It's healthi[B]er[/B] than other drugs but that doesn't mean it's healthi[b]est[/b] Though I'm just talking in a general sense and not saying that mushrooms are in fact healthier or anything, because I don't really know much about that drug in particular. I've never gotten fucked up on a substance, let alone made looking into all of them something I'd bother doing.[/QUOTE] Smoking? No there are many many ways to consume marijuana. Edibles. Drops. Vape. Root beer. I can see marijuana as a medicine. It can help people enter a deep state of relaxation and help calm them down.

This is interesting but remember that it's epidemiology. It doesn't conclude that shrooms are safer than pot, just that out of people who smoke pot and do shrooms the people who do pot needs medical treatment more often. For example, it could be that the average age of people who do pot differs a lot from people who do shrooms and pot users therefor generally are at greater risk for experiencing problems. Or shroom users could just be better at creating a safe environment to do drugs in or whatever. The study does not prove causality.

[QUOTE=kariko;52271716]That's not what a trip sitter does. They're there to comfort you if you start to go into a bad trip or if an emergency occurs and you're obviously too high to handle it. Otherwise they don't really do much. I don't even take drugs and I know this. The way you said it is like if mushrooms make you crazy and someone has to be there to stop it. That's just silly.[/QUOTE] Just saying there's apparently enough of a risk that you'll go into full blown meltdown panic mode if you don't have someone to ground you, so I can't see how it's the safest drug. That's more the kind of thing you'd be signing a liability waiver for, and probably would have to if buying them ever became legal.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52272347]Smoking? No there are many many ways to consume marijuana. Edibles. Drops. Vape. Root beer. I can see marijuana as a medicine. It can help people enter a deep state of relaxation and help calm them down.[/QUOTE] Not everyone. Marijuana caused me major chest pain which triggered a panic attack because I thought I was having a heart attack. I've been struggling with the consequences of it ever since. Even two people that were with me couldn't help and they were very close to making an emergency call.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52272689]Just saying there's apparently enough of a risk that you'll go into full blown meltdown panic mode if you don't have someone to ground you, so I can't see how it's the safest drug. That's more the kind of thing you'd be signing a liability waiver for, and probably would have to if buying them ever became legal.[/QUOTE] Well duh you expect some extreme experiences from drugs, especially hallucinogens. A stable minded individual will not have a 'meltdown' their first trip unless they're totally uneducated on the drugs facts but that's no fault of the drug, that's just stupid people. Hallucinogens require a positive and educated mentality going into them, read a couple stories about the effects to know what you're getting into and you will come out fine. Many people forget the tried and true saying 'its just a drug, the effects are temporary and I will not be harmed'. That being said of course if you have a history of mental illness you shouldn't fuck with the stuff, but that fits into the whole 'research' portion [editline]25th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=orcywoo6;52272714]Not everyone. Marijuana caused me major chest pain which triggered a panic attack because I thought I was having a heart attack. I've been struggling with the consequences of it ever since. Even two people that were with me couldn't help and they were very close to making an emergency call.[/QUOTE] So what you're saying is that severe anxiety plagues you, not weed? [editline]25th May 2017[/editline] It seems like everyone here with a pot horror story has a preexisting condition it triggered or went WAY overboard on their first few times which any veteran user can tell you is a setup for an awful experience, not to mention that proper regulation would lead to warnings like 'hey if you're schizo don't do this' and recommend dosages

I had a weird heart attack like experience from doing more weed than usual about 1-2 months ago and ever since my heart has felt strange, doctors said it was anxiety related so I think I'm okay. I haven't had that much since and my heart is kinda getting normal again

The key to safe drug use is being thoughtful of what you're about to do. Everything in life has a risk, nothing is 100% safe, but you CAN minimize the risk. Although I've only tried mushrooms only once (and it wasn't a great experience), it did show me how important it is to wait for the right moment in your life to use drugs. It are mood enhancers. Make sure to not use them just because you can, but because the moment is perfect: you're feeling great, things have been going alright, no worries in the back of your head, comfortable surroundings and great friends who can help you if shit doesn't work out. A happy trip is not given, it is earned.

[QUOTE=krail9;52269282]apparently it's worse under that measure [img]http://puu.sh/w02GA.png[/img][/QUOTE] Isn't that just because more people smoke pot than eat shrooms? Also synth cannabis isn't cannabis and from what I hear it's bloody strong.

[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52271975]Also to add to this, once you consume a psychedelic you're not able to stop the trip. It just has to take its course and wear off on its own. The only thing a sitter can do is try and talk you out of the bad trip and comfort you. If you end up on a really, really bad trip and end up in emergency care for some reason you're just going to get pumped with sedatives and strapped to a bed until the drugs wear off. There's literally nothing that can be done otherwise.[/QUOTE] Don't worry, you're not missing anything really. Euphoric psychedelic trips are cool and all but it doesn't beat happiness, love and all that stuff that makes a good life.

Shrooms are p cool, but I've found that 2C-B is my all-time favourite psychedelic. It has a short duration (5-6 hours), clear headspace, relatively low intensity even in higher doses. Which makes it very recreational. I've had nothing but good vibes on it. It's kinda fucky to dose though. Regular doses are pretty small, between 10 and 25 milligrams. You either need a really good scale or you trust your dealer to pre-dose it accurately for you.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;52272905]Well duh you expect some extreme experiences from drugs, especially hallucinogens. A stable minded individual will not have a 'meltdown' their first trip unless they're totally uneducated on the drugs facts but that's no fault of the drug, that's just stupid people. Hallucinogens require a positive and educated mentality going into them, read a couple stories about the effects to know what you're getting into and you will come out fine. Many people forget the tried and true saying 'its just a drug, the effects are temporary and I will not be harmed'. That being said of course if you have a history of mental illness you shouldn't fuck with the stuff, but that fits into the whole 'research' portion [editline]25th May 2017[/editline] So what you're saying is that severe anxiety plagues you, not weed? [editline]25th May 2017[/editline] It seems like everyone here with a pot horror story has a preexisting condition it triggered or went WAY overboard on their first few times which any veteran user can tell you is a setup for an awful experience, not to mention that proper regulation would lead to warnings like 'hey if you're schizo don't do this' and recommend dosages[/QUOTE] Bad weed possible? Unlike booze, weed hi s vary from dose to dose.

The worst thing I ever experienced was an accidental O.D. on Dextromethorphan Polistirex. (Cough medicine) Turns out it's extended release (take every 12 hours) and I was taking it every 4 hours as you do for most cough suppressants. (Delsym Night is every 4 hours while the regular Delsym I was taking is every 12 hours) Had a massive headache and was so dizzy I couldn't stand, my pupils expanding and contracting by themselves. I got better after a day but I was honestly worried I could have died. If you're taking any type of OTC medication always check the dosages. You can buy two products with very similar ingredients from the same company and they can have entirely different dosages. Check drug interactions, too.