Houston night curfew imposed to stop robbery and looting - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Sky King;52650345]to people that might not even be employed for the next half a year.[/QUOTE] That small business owner might not be able to sell anything for the next half a year, and all the employees of a larger business might be fired, so why are you talking like financial hardship is something only looters experience? I can understand the necessity of theft when there are no other options, but it sound like some people expect business owners who followed evacuation orders to unilaterally bail out looters who didn't.

[QUOTE=catbarf;52650552]That small business owner might not be able to sell anything for the next half a year, and all the employees of a larger business might be fired, so why are you talking like financial hardship is something only looters experience? I can understand the necessity of theft when there are no other options, but it sound like some people expect business owners who followed evacuation orders to unilaterally bail out looters who didn't.[/QUOTE] You do know the mayor of Houstan told everybody not to evacuate and instead to stay in place right? Can't diss people for following their government's order during a natural disaster.

I was going to come in here defending what I thought were people looting vacant groceries stores for food & survival supplies but no it's people jacking tires and car parts while nobody is around to stop them lol

Hurricane Harvey did not necessitate looting for survival. If you are looting you are doing it to steal. The water receded and you can get to shelters. You have access to free and donated goods. The community has taken care of the victims. This isn't the walking dead. You don't need to rob to survive ~4 days of storm. If it was a different situation where people were stranded in their neighborhoods for months and there was zero outside assistance it would be different, but we live in a modern society where we take care of disaster victims and looting is simply not a necessity in this situation. If someone is still in their home and someone else breaks in to loot it, the home owner has every right to be afraid. Lot of criminals taking advantage of hurricane victims. Criminals. [editline]5th September 2017[/editline] Also if you're doing your looting at night, it's probably because you don't want to get caught, not because you're hungry. [editline]5th September 2017[/editline] Also: [url]http://abc13.com/houston-curfew-partially-lifted-following-harvey/2370182/[/url]

[QUOTE=Sky King;52650695]You do know the mayor of Houstan told everybody not to evacuate and instead to stay in place right? Can't diss people for following their government's order during a natural disaster.[/QUOTE] If you've lived through hurricanes, you should know to evacuate for a cat 3+ without the government making it mandatory. You're putting yourself in that situation. The mayor of Houston would have made a VERY LARGE mistake setting a mandatory evacuation, which would have seen the interstates jam packed DURING the hurricane and flooding, killing even more people who would be trapped in flood waters.

It is a scary knowing how many people will throw all common sense and decency out the window the moment the opportunity presents itself.

[QUOTE=Kylel999;52649957]Definitely, but he's got a point. If my kids are starving and there's a Shoprite acrossed the street and I can't find food anywhere, you think I'll hesitate to smash a window and grab food to feed them because I'll be worried about the business owner? [editline]5th September 2017[/editline] Nobody needs to die over that[/QUOTE] Not trying to call out Grenadiac for that specifically, sorry if it came off that way.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52650162]I said shuttered (evacuated, flooded, closed) stores. If you're walking into operating gas stations with an AR-15 and [I]robbing the place[/I] you deserve however many bullets you catch. In emergency situations I see a clear distinction between scavenging and theft.[/QUOTE] So it's fine to rob the place as long as no employees are around. Got it.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52651119]So it's fine to rob the place as long as no employees are around. Got it.[/QUOTE] Why the fuck do you care more about some much about an gas station owned by some billion dollar company losing a few bucks of profit then people and children surviving an major natural disaster.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52651162]Why the fuck do you care more about some much about an gas station owned by some billion dollar company losing a few bucks of profit then people and children surviving an major natural disaster.[/QUOTE] Said natural disaster which they were told to evacuate from, had about a week and half to prepare for, and people are still helping them evacuate from in order to take them too safe areas where they can get food and water. Areas exist that people can goto, people have no reason to go about robbing and looting when all it does is cause more problems and strain for emergency services and volunteers. Hence why I have stated that people deserve treason charges on the federal level, because they are directly leading to death and further destruction by being a bunch of fucknuts.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52651162]Why the fuck do you care more about some much about an gas station owned by some billion dollar company losing a few bucks of profit then people and children surviving an major natural disaster.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Ajacks;52650204]These stores are often owned by people, like you and me. They are not all faceless corporations that can absorb all losses and not every building and its contents are a full write off after a disaster like this.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52651186]Said natural disaster which they were told to evacuate from, had about a week and half to prepare for, and people are still helping them evacuate from in order to take them too safe areas where they can get food and water. Areas exist that people can goto, people have no reason to go about robbing and looting when all it does is cause more problems and strain for emergency services and volunteers. Hence why I have stated that people deserve treason charges on the federal level, because they are directly leading to death and further destruction by being a bunch of fucknuts.[/QUOTE] Treason charges? Can you please google that word before throwing it out whenever somebody does something unmoral? Stop being so over-dramatic. They should be charged for looting and theft because well you know, that's why we have those laws to began with. Using the word treason like that makes it lose its meaning when compared to REAL treason. I mean unless those guys looted nuclear launch codes from the local 7/11 and sold them to the North Koreans. [editline]5th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52651203]quotes[/QUOTE] Yeah im going to feel bad for the local store owners. Doesnt mean that'll I would let my self or my family die if they need supples like first aid or basic shit like water. I still don't know why you are still taking profits over human lives. You would make a great exxon executive one day tho.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52651808]I still don't know why you are still taking profits over human lives. You would make a great exxon executive one day tho.[/QUOTE] You're destroying someone else's livelihood for your own benefit. Believe it or not, there are ways to supply yourself that don't involve stealing from other people.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52652004]You're destroying someone else's livelihood for your own benefit. Believe it or not, there are ways to supply yourself that don't involve stealing from other people.[/QUOTE] Benefit? You meant survival? You do know there wasn't an magical free medical supplies and water machine that landed in every street corner of Houstan immediately during the hurricane? There were people that didnt get rescued for days, some that had their homes destroyed and dont even know when they were going to get rescured, i bet some didnt even have time to get any belongings including water and food because, you know, the massive natural hurricane and biblical flood burst down their windows made them run for their lives. Not only that I bet you that there is STILL people out there that hasnt be rescued somewhere there as we speak. If you were a father with no contact to the outside world would you let your child possiblely die because you want to keep that smug stupid moral high ground or grow the fuck up, break that window and ensue your and your family survival. Also take in the account you just made it threw an intense and scary ass hurricane and chances your phone is dead and you dont really have anyway to contact anybody for help(remember that guy on the news that had to walk 12 miles to find out if his dad was even still alive? He only had to walk 12 miles because that news crew happen to have a satitalite phone). Humans dont live off sunlight, they need food within a week and water within [B]days[/B] But yeah lets lock up these people for "treason" for making rash choices regarding on whether they will live or not. [B]But you know, you can keep acting like some tough guy online while in the safety of your comfy home and never being in such a overwhelming life threatening situation in your life.[/B]

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52628991]What annoys the fuck outta me is how anyone can find it appropriate to loot at a time like this. Honestly, I'm hopeful that the rescuers are going to be carrying weapons from now on. Several people have attacked members of the Cajun Navy, and it's getting to the point where even standard EMS-types are also coming under attack.[/QUOTE] Welcome to the benefits of a materialistic capitalist culture!

[QUOTE=Sky King;52651808] Yeah im going to feel bad for the local store owners. Doesnt mean that'll I would let my self or my family die if they need supples like first aid or basic shit like water. I still don't know why you are still taking profits over human lives. You would make a great exxon executive one day tho.[/QUOTE] Jesus christ are you even listening. There was a long period of time to prepare, escape, and there's a lot of assistance for victims. If you legitimately need to take food, first aid, etc. to survive, that's okay! Human property rights can be superceded by certain situations, and courts are likely to be very merciful if you're caught and that's the situation. But for these looters, that's not the case. When you're picking entire streets clean of tires, looting at night taking valuables, etc. you aren't doing it to fucking survive.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52653467]Jesus christ are you even listening. There was a long period of time to prepare, escape, and there's a lot of assistance for victims. If you legitimately need to take food, first aid, etc. to survive, that's okay! Human property rights can be superceded by certain situations, and courts are likely to be very merciful if you're caught and that's the situation. But for these looters, that's not the case. When you're picking entire streets clean of tires, looting at night taking valuables, etc. you aren't doing it to fucking survive.[/QUOTE] Im obviously not talking about people robbing best buy for TVs or stealing tires. Ive said that since page 1.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52654430]Im obviously not talking about people robbing best buy for TVs or stealing tires. Ive said that since page 1.[/QUOTE] Your dichotomy of robbery not being a big deal runs against that. That is the issue, especially given the circumstances.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52654566]Your dichotomy of robbery not being a big deal runs against that. That is the issue, especially given the circumstances.[/QUOTE] So you are saying its just as wrong to steal a tv vs stealing food or medical supplies during a life threatening situation? Human lives>money and things.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52654779]So you are saying its just as wrong to steal a tv vs stealing food or medical supplies during a life threatening situation? Human lives>money and things.[/QUOTE] several of us explained that you could get these supplies at donation camps or shelters to take care of the victims of the storm. If, instead of that, someone decides to go rob someone else, they deserved to be called out and punished.

I'd just like to mention that the Disaster Research Center after 700 field studies concluded that after disasters, looting and criminality are much, much less severe than what the media usually reports. It's actually lower than normal, surprisingly enough. The sudden explosion of altruism that follows disasters certainly trumps it. Just keep that in mind when you hear about news like this.

I think from the perspective of people that lost maybe everything looting someone else isn't really all that unreasonable.