Iraqi prime minister says German girl, 16, could be executed for joining Isis - Sensationalist Headlines

She has a bullet scar in her leg and other wounds in her knee, so she definitely took part in combat and likely has killed. Death penalty is still way over the top, she should be imprisoned instead.

[QUOTE=Orkel;52694968]She has a bullet scar in her leg and other wounds in her knee, so she definitely took part in combat and likely has killed. Death penalty is still way over the top, she should be imprisoned instead.[/QUOTE] She was captured in a firefight with her chechen husband (who was killed in the aforementioned fight) and had a sniper rifle at the time of the capture.

16 is plenty old enough to not be a fuckwit. Why would you ever join a known terrorist group.

If she wasn't underage? I might understand - but she's 16, probably even younger when some of these crimes were carried out - in light of these facts it may be better to send her back home and give her a trial in Germany or alternatively arrange something between the German and Iraqi governments so this is handled properly.

I cant believe how many people are ready to cheer on executing a kid here. It wouldn't surprise me if she was someone who was bullied a lot but instead of committing suicide joined isis. Punishment and education sure but death, come on...

[QUOTE=karimatrix;52694447]She made her choice, and now will face the consequence of it. If we live in a world where kids allowed to change their gender at young age, being 16 year old terrorist gives you no excuse over your own idiocy.[/QUOTE] This is the most bizarre shoehorning I've ever seen on this forum What the fuck are you talking about

She should be sent to Germany's justice system, and get mental health support.

[QUOTE=shadow_oap;52696162]She should be sent to Germany's justice system, and get mental health support.[/QUOTE] pretty sure you can't go back to your country of origin once you renounce your citizenship to join the islamic state. i don't agree with the death penalty in any situation and i'll keep that posture for this one, human blood shed for any reason is a sad thing. [editline]19th September 2017[/editline] actually german diplomats are making efforts to have her extradited and tried in germany.

[QUOTE=WhyNott;52694545]She didnt go there to kill people, she went there to build a glorious caliphate and have a happier and more orthodox future for herself, in her eyes. Noone "goes to war to inflict pain and suffering", people always have some good-hearted reasons behind why they need to kill other people in armed conflicts. She probably didnt even think about the beheadings.[/QUOTE] Then let me rephrase what I said: You would have to completely lack self-awareness to not understand joining a terrorist group involves committing acts of terror, and that these acts result in pain and suffering.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52696542]Then let me rephrase what I said: You would have to completely lack self-awareness to not understand joining a terrorist group involves committing acts of terror, and that these acts result in pain and suffering.[/QUOTE] "Oh, but they aren't a terrorist group. They're freedom fighters" - the mindset of these people. Actually. That being said, all terrorists think that way.... so, too bad, so sad, probably shouldn't have joined a terror organization. If she killed people then she should have the law laid on her as it is upon everyone else.

[QUOTE=shadow_oap;52696162]She should be sent to Germany's justice system, and get mental health support.[/QUOTE] She shouldn't be allowed entry to Western Europe ever again. We have enough blood thirsty terrorists as it is, regardless of their age and gender.

Who hasn't made a dumb mistake when young. There were young adults in the past who were attracted to political systems that were fundamentally wrong, such as fascism. Many people may have stolen from a shop, committed a traffic offence or used drugs or alcohol when under age. Youthful mistakes are nothing new. This girl doesn't deserve to lose her life. Execution is barbaric and solves nothing. Punish her of course, but if possible try also to rehabilitate her.

Main reason isis gets followers is becoust they have land to show off blitzgrieg or some fast armored capture of those lands would help to decrease their members

[QUOTE=verynicelady;52696827]Who hasn't made a dumb mistake when young. There were young adults in the past who were attracted to political systems that were fundamentally wrong, such as fascism. Many people may have stolen from a shop, committed a traffic offence or used drugs or alcohol when under age. Youthful mistakes are nothing new. This girl doesn't deserve to lose her life. Execution is barbaric and solves nothing. Punish her of course, but if possible try also to rehabilitate her.[/QUOTE] That's kinda fallacious when you consider that she joined a militant Islamist terror group and has clearly seen active combat and most likely killed people. I don't think killing her will solve anything, but you can't really draw up what she's done as a youthful mistake. I can't see her ever walking free again whether she's executed or not, though.

[QUOTE=Chubbs;52696922]That's kinda fallacious when you consider that she joined a militant Islamist terror group and has clearly seen active combat and most likely killed people. I don't think killing her will solve anything, but you can't really draw up what she's done as a youthful mistake. I can't see her ever walking free again whether she's executed or not, though.[/QUOTE] Joining ISIS isn't something people of sound mental health tend to do, especially as youth.

[QUOTE=WhyNott;52694545]She didnt go there to kill people, she went there to build a glorious caliphate and have a happier and more orthodox future for herself, in her eyes. Noone "goes to war to inflict pain and suffering", people always have some good-hearted reasons behind why they need to kill other people in armed conflicts. She probably didnt even think about the beheadings.[/QUOTE] I don't know about you but I know plenty of people who joined the military to kill people. Not everyone is good at heart.

[QUOTE=Chubbs;52696922]That's kinda fallacious when you consider that she joined a militant Islamist terror group and has clearly seen active combat and most likely killed people. I don't think killing her will solve anything, but you can't really draw up what she's done as a youthful mistake. I can't see her ever walking free again whether she's executed or not, though.[/QUOTE] How is it a fallacy to call it a youthful mistake if she's young and made a mistake? If she can be rehabilitated and serve a sentence under German law then I think that would be the best possible outcome for all non-malicious interests. Considering that Germany isn't the place she committed the crimes in, Germans weren't the victims and Germans weren't her captors, this is a difficult political issue I imagine though.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52697610]How is it a fallacy to call it a youthful mistake if she's young and made a mistake?[/QUOTE] Hey bro don't you think that the age of 16 is old enough to know that terrorism is bad

[QUOTE=certified;52694619]Do it. We need to show everyone: This Is What We Do To Terrorists. I've always understood that the Pile of Terrorist Corpses is the best way to discourage terrorism. You want to join ISIS/Al-Qaeda/etc? Sure, go ahead, you get the join the pile too. Worked for Russia when they used to have a terrorism problem.[/QUOTE] I too think we should follow the counter-terror example of a country that responded to terrorist hostage situations in a theater and school by [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis"]gassing everyone inside[/URL] and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege"]fielding fucking [I]tanks[/I][/URL][I],[/I] respectively

[QUOTE=Havolis;52697703]Hey bro don't you think that the age of 16 is old enough to know that terrorism is bad[/QUOTE] I don't even think you have to be a teenager to know that terrorism is bad, that's not really my point though.

I'm honestly curious what the international reaction to this would be if this was a male teen rather than a female teen. Regardless ,16 is not a "kid," it's a teenager, and teenagers can be culpable for their actions. Its two years away from being a legal adult, old enough to drive a car, have sex or even drink in other countries. It's not like you're an idiot incapable of making any decisions until the age counter hits 18. She had plenty of time to think "I shouldn't do this" before she got overseas, and judging by the article she was totally into the whole terrorist thing to the point of being captured after a firefight where she had a sniper rifle. There's a clear case of intent and if we judged her as a "misled brainwashed kid" then we shouldn't be shooting terrorists as they were brainwashed the same way, except they probably had much less opportunity to get out of that lifestyle and didn't travel miles by air to put themselves in the thick of it and may have been forced to join for survival. Because she's German (and most likely because she's female IMO) she gets the benefit of the doubt automatically which we don't give to other insurgents. I don't believe the death penalty is a good punishment for anyone but it's obvious privilege that we're even thinking this woman deserves rehabilitation back in her home country when we're killing countless child soldiers who grew up in the middle East and didn't have access to the education or opportunity this person did.

I read in a post on a similar article, that women like these parade around like princesses in captured cities, and won't go out of the way to kill someone for displeasing them, or worse. Many of them know full and well what they are going to and doing. It would be the like someone joining any other radical group. There is so much information out there and she's a German teenager, she must be really special to be completely ignorant of the things she was going into..

[QUOTE=verynicelady;52696827]Who hasn't made a dumb mistake when young. There were young adults in the past who were attracted to political systems that were fundamentally wrong, such as fascism. Many people may have stolen from a shop, committed a traffic offence or used drugs or alcohol when under age. Youthful mistakes are nothing new. This girl doesn't deserve to lose her life. Execution is barbaric and solves nothing. Punish her of course, but if possible try also to rehabilitate her.[/QUOTE] Boys her age who make the same mistake are given no mercy. Let's not pretend that her gender isn't going to affect our judgement in this case in ways that it shouldn't. She did the crime, she should be dealt the same punishment as anyone else in the same circumstances.

Oh christ. This is obviously a situation that calls for great mental care, not death. This girl needs help, she's too young to just throw away. I don't like this attitude some people have where they refuse to believe people can change.

[QUOTE=verynicelady;52696827]Who hasn't made a dumb mistake when young. There were young adults in the past who were attracted to political systems that were fundamentally wrong, such as fascism. Many people may have stolen from a shop, committed a traffic offence or used drugs or alcohol when under age. Youthful mistakes are nothing new. This girl doesn't deserve to lose her life. Execution is barbaric and solves nothing. Punish her of course, but if possible try also to rehabilitate her.[/QUOTE] I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I personally think there's a fairly wide margin between stealing a can of beer from your local 7/11 at 3am, and joining a widely-reported-on terrorist organization bent on establishing a global caliphate hewed from the bloody corpses of infidels. [i][b]But maybe that's just me.[/b][/i]

[QUOTE=Thaard;52698256]I read in a post on a similar article, that women like these parade around like princesses in captured cities, and won't go out of the way to kill someone for displeasing them, or worse. Many of them know full and well what they are going to and doing. It would be the like someone joining any other radical group. There is so much information out there and she's a German teenager, she must be really special to be completely ignorant of the things she was going into..[/QUOTE] It's not too crazy to believe some mental issue is involved

[QUOTE=phygon;52699252]Boys her age who make the same mistake are given no mercy. Let's not pretend that her gender isn't going to affect our judgement in this case in ways that it shouldn't. She did the crime, she should be dealt the same punishment as anyone else in the same circumstances.[/QUOTE] As far as I can see no one in any position of authority has suggested that her gender excuses her, or that she should have an easier time because of it.

[QUOTE=certified;52694619]Do it. We need to show everyone: This Is What We Do To Terrorists. I've always understood that the Pile of Terrorist Corpses is the best way to discourage terrorism. You want to join ISIS/Al-Qaeda/etc? Sure, go ahead, you get the join the pile too. Worked for Russia when they used to have a terrorism problem.[/QUOTE] Yeah, if there's one thing terrorists are known for, it's an aversion to dying!

She made a conscious decision to join ISIS. We're talking about the organization that regularly commits atrocities reminiscent of what happened in Germany in the 1630s - torture, mutilations, mass executions, rape, pillaging, shit like that. Hell, I remember hearing, during the liberation of Fallujah, about ISIS members forcibly draining people of blood for use in transfusions and leaving them for dead on the street. They have zero regard for human decency or sanctity of life, and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is either a fucking moron, or working for them. This girl, knowing full well what ISIS has done (and does right now and will continue to do until they're put down like the rabid dogs they are), made a conscious decision to travel halfway across the world to join them. She knew exactly what she was getting into. No excuses. All that said, I don't believe she deserves death. I don't believe anybody who isn't presenting an active threat to other people deserves to die, and for that reason I am against capital punishment. At most, I would be in support of long-term/permanent incarceration to keep her from reoffending. I definitely think she deserves a mental evaluation, followed by a treatment plan. I think it goes without saying that teenagers don't normally try to join terrorist organizations halfway across the world. Let's figure out what's wrong with her, and if possible, treat it. She might be salvageable, she might not, but I have to operate on the assumption that she is.

Why bother killing them? Terrorists have been reformed before. If you manage to capture them, put them in prison and properly start rehabilitation.