Windows 7 and 8.1 is not able to receive updates on new processor generations anymore - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=maurits150;51970717]I think an artificial block is kind of shitty though.[/QUOTE] It depends how "artificial" it is. If Intel, AMD or fuckin Via or whatever update the microcode on their CPUs to expose new features or whatever to the host machine, it's plausible that the kernel version of the OS running on the CPU just isn't capable of taking advantage of the new features. It's like bitching about not having AVX-512 support because you insisted on installing XP on your brand new Intel Xenon machine built last year. (linux generally doesn't suffer this due to kernel patching being super simple thanks to how modular it all is, Windows is still incredibly monolithic at the lower levels)

[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51970799]Linux has had decades to take off. I hate to break it to you, but it ain't happening.[/QUOTE] Says the person posting from a phone based on Linux. I agree it needs a lot more work, particularly in the user experience department but it's getting there slowly, When it comes down to it Linux has practically 3x the developers as Windows so it's inevitable it will eventually become more mainstream, even Windows domination of gaming market is no longer holding as much weight with more developers supporting Linux and emulation becoming significantly better, even Witcher 3 is now playable under Linux. [QUOTE=hexpunK;51970818](linux generally doesn't suffer this due to kernel patching being super simple thanks to how modular it all is, Windows is still incredibly monolithic at the lower levels)[/QUOTE] Err Linux is very much monolithic still, I'm pretty sure all the CPU support stuff is built in to the kernel. Still you're right it is likely an easier job, I can only imagine the horrific mess Windows source code is.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;51970830]Says the person posting from a phone based on Linux. I agree it needs a lot more work, particularly in the user experience department but it's getting there slowly, When it comes down to it Linux has practically 3x the developers as Windows so it's inevitable it will eventually become more mainstream, even Windows domination of gaming market is no longer holding as much weight with more developers supporting Linux and emulation becoming significantly better, even Witcher 3 is now playable under Linux. Err Linux is very much monolithic still, I'm pretty sure all the CPU support stuff is built in to the kernel. Still you're right it is likely an easier job, I can only imagine the horrific mess Windows source code is.[/QUOTE] Linux has been inevitable for, what, 20 years now? 30? Sorry for not holding out on it. Maybe next year is the year of the Linux desktop... Shit I remember saying this exact thing in the late 90s. I bet you I'll be saying it in the late 20s too.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;51970755]Yeah Windows 10 is great, I love the ads in the file explorer and being constantly spied on by daddy Microsoft, who knows what other great ideas they will come up with next. Although really this news make me quite happy, the more people they piss off the more people are going to consider alternative operating systems, I certainly have no regrets switching my main OS to Linux.[/QUOTE] i like how people are talking a lot about the ads but ive never got them

i saw it once but i haven't seen it again

[QUOTE=Chryseus;51970830]Err Linux is very much monolithic still, I'm pretty sure all the CPU support stuff is built in to the kernel. Still you're right it is likely an easier job, I can only imagine the horrific mess Windows source code is.[/QUOTE] Well, I confused myself for a bit there but yes the kernel is a monolithic thing. But building one is really quite simple, and slotting in modules to support new features doesn't take any time at all. Used the wrong term tbh, I was more focused on how harshly it's integrated into the user-level stuff. Anyone can swap out their Linux kernel after all.

[QUOTE=Con Air;51970515]Windows 10 is already much better than Windows 7. Good luck waiting though.[/QUOTE] What are the benefits of 10 exactly? I have my Windows 10 sitting on my other HDD, but I haven't booted it once since I installed it. None of the games I play even support DX12 at the moment so I don't see the point of using it.

[QUOTE=Judqment8;51970957]What are the benefits of 10 exactly? I have my Windows 10 sitting on my other HDD, but I haven't booted it once since I installed it. None of the games I play even support DX12 at the moment so I don't see the point of using it.[/QUOTE] Quite a few under the hood improvements. A vastly improved hybrid boot (Windows 8 introduced it, but it's been more stable for me in 10) so starting the OS takes very little time even on a HDD. Multiple desktop workspace support as a standard, and as a side effect of this better multi-monitor support. The driver tools are also a bit more reliable and will usually find reasonably up to date drivers for hardware like GPUs before you even get a chance to do so yourself. A proper notification system that functions kinda like the OS X one. Cortana, if you're into that. It does have a whole host of features that make it more functional than 7, even if I'm not actively using a lot of them.

[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51970896]Linux has been inevitable for, what, 20 years now? 30? Sorry for not holding out on it. Maybe next year is the year of the Linux desktop... Shit I remember saying this exact thing in the late 90s. I bet you I'll be saying it in the late 20s too.[/QUOTE] I know I'm probably being overly optimistic, still I expect the number of users to continue to climb, how long it takes I could not even begin to guess, if they pulled their shit together and made one really polished distribution rather than the fragmented mess we currently have that would certainly help. [QUOTE=Fox Powers;51970925]i like how people are talking a lot about the ads but ive never got them[/QUOTE] Maybe it's region specific ? Still it sets a very bad precedent, there is nothing actually stopping them from adding 3rd party advertising to the OS if they decide it's a good idea, which knowing Microsoft may very well happen. Frankly I don't trust Microsoft with my privacy and security and a suspect most FP members don't either which leaves you the choice of blocking the holes as best as you can or jumping ship.

[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51970896]Linux has been inevitable for, what, 20 years now? 30? Sorry for not holding out on it. Maybe next year is the year of the Linux desktop... Shit I remember saying this exact thing in the late 90s. I bet you I'll be saying it in the late 20s too.[/QUOTE] To be fair the number of games on Linux has been slightly increasing thanks to Valve in part. As W10 most likely becomes more 'integrated' you'll probably see the number of Linux users who prefer to be 'offline' go up, even if its ever so small of a increase. And where there's demand, companies will follow it.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;51971009]I know I'm probably being overly optimistic, still I expect the number of users to continue to climb, how long it takes I could not even begin to guess, if they pulled their shit together and made one really polished distribution rather than the fragmented mess we currently have that would certainly help. [/QUOTE] I don't disagree with any of this. However, I believe that the nature of the Linux community, as well as the OS itself will always leave it fragmented. Linux has its place, and it serves its role exceptionally well -- But because anyone can make their own distro, there will always fragments in the Linux userbase. If one is to use Windows or MacOS, it's extremely simple to select which version you use. This means that the there is little fragmentation among the Windows and MacOS userbases. All of this is to say that, as much as I think it would be great, I don't believe that the Linux is going to see mainstream usage in the way that so many would like.

[QUOTE=DeEz;51970040]You can't really support archaic products forever[/QUOTE] Microsoft has legal obligations to provide extended support Windows 7 until 2020, and potentially beyond depending on private corporate contracts. Extended support means while they're not obligated to add new features to the OS, they're required to provide security updates, there are no stipulations that specific processor architectures are banned from receiving said updates. Windows 8 and 8.1 have an additional three years of extended support over Windows 7 so them pulling a stunt like this is illegal. I'm betting that someone on the internet is going to find some registry key or piece of software Microsoft silently pushed down to Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 boxes that causes this inane error message and have a workaround for it.

What a crock of shit. No one should be forced into an OS because you can't alter a little portion of code to make it run with a barely old OS like 8.

[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;51971351]Microsoft has legal obligations to provide extended support Windows 7 until 2020, and potentially beyond depending on private corporate contracts. Extended support means while they're not obligated to add new features to the OS, they're required to provide security updates, there are no stipulations that specific processor architectures are banned from receiving said updates. Windows 8 and 8.1 have an additional three years of extended support over Windows 7 so them pulling a stunt like this is illegal. I'm betting that someone on the internet is going to find some registry key or piece of software Microsoft silently pushed down to Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 boxes that causes this inane error message and have a workaround for it.[/QUOTE] This isn't microsoft dropping support. Intel made the decision, thus microsoft has broken no law.

[QUOTE=pentium;51970129]Is this an indication that Intel is migrating away from the x86 instruction set and it's 64-bit extensions then? That I can totally understand because then it means Intel or the software vendor have to develop a compatibility layer. BUT if they're using this as an arbitrary method to force people to upgrade instead of running older operating systems on newer hardware (I'm going to NOT include myself here or anyone else using a machine at home because that isn't the point of what I'm trying to say) then in about a decade it's gonna really badly fuck over the embedded market. You know, those people several million dollars invested and a thousand or so kiosks in where they upgraded the core machine because the original hardware couldn't be sourced anymore but the kiosk and related software on top of that was never updated by the vendor. I am seeing machines running 2000 and XP finally being retired but Windows 7 machines are taking their place for reasons that outside the business world a gamer cannot comprehend.[/QUOTE] Shit, I'm using brand new vertical milling machines in some courses I'm taking, and the control systems are running XP. It's embedded XP, but it's still XP. These machines are literally less than 6 months old.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;51970398]If you are still running on 8.1 because you were either too lazy or naive to jump on windows 10 when Microsoft was offering it for free for like a year, it's your fuck up[/QUOTE] It's still free to upgrade IIRC.

[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51971568]This isn't microsoft dropping support. Intel made the decision, thus microsoft has broken no law.[/QUOTE] Intel jumping up and down claiming no drivers will be provided for older Windows releases is irrelevant to Microsoft blocking newer computers from receiving [I]security updates.[/I] If the article is to be believed that Windows Update will not function [I]at all[/I] with 7th gen Intel CPUs or Ryzen, then it means that in addition to not only will driver updates be excluded, so will security updates, which have nothing to do with Intel. Microsoft has legal binding contractual obligations to provide security updates to Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 systems until 2020 or 2023 regardless of what CPU they use.

[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;51971799]Intel jumping up and down claiming no drivers will be provided for older Windows releases is irrelevant to Microsoft blocking newer computers from receiving [I]security updates.[/I] If the article is to be believed that Windows Update will not function [I]at all[/I] with 7th gen Intel CPUs or Ryzen, then it means that in addition to not only will driver updates be excluded, so will security updates, which have nothing to do with Intel. Microsoft has legal binding contractual obligations to provide security updates to Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 systems until 2020 or 2023 regardless of what CPU they use.[/QUOTE] Built in Windows Update will error out when it attempts to grab updates on computers with the processor. There is no indication that it will be blocked if you use individual update installers. There is a chance but someone has to actually try it. Microsoft also can not provide updates properly if the manufacturer of the processors refuse to support it mainly because everything revolves around that piece of hardware. If they push an update that breaks it, they can't fix it because nothing in the world will make intel or amd fix it. They are telling you when you attempt an upgrade that your system is no longer supported and you need to move to Windows 10. Also, there is NOTHING in the EULA stating they are legally required to continue to provide security updates to their software. Nothing at all. They simply state how updates are delivered and what data is transmitted to them to begin the process and what happens if the system is not activated. All limited warranties ended years ago as Microsoft stopped selling 7 8 and 8.1. They can do whatever they want. They have stated they will support it to a certain point until a certain date but it can, and has changed. In this case, manufacturers have stated they will not support these OS's and therefore Microsoft is blocking updates to prevent issues for things they can not fix without a kernel change.

[QUOTE=jordguitar;51972234]Built in Windows Update will error out when it attempts to grab updates on computers with the processor. There is no indication that it will be blocked if you use individual update installers. There is a chance but someone has to actually try it. Microsoft also can not provide updates properly if the manufacturer of the processors refuse to support it mainly because everything revolves around that piece of hardware. If they push an update that breaks it, they can't fix it because nothing in the world will make intel or amd fix it. They are telling you when you attempt an upgrade that your system is no longer supported and you need to move to Windows 10. Also, there is NOTHING in the EULA stating they are legally required to continue to provide security updates to their software. Nothing at all. They simply state how updates are delivered and what data is transmitted to them to begin the process and what happens if the system is not activated. All limited warranties ended years ago as Microsoft stopped selling 7 8 and 8.1. They can do whatever they want. They have stated they will support it to a certain point until a certain date but it can, and has changed. In this case, manufacturers have stated they will not support these OS's and therefore Microsoft is blocking updates to prevent issues for things they can not fix without a kernel change.[/QUOTE] In addition to this keep in mind that they aren't [I]stopping[/I] updates to the two OSes. They just won't install if you for whatever reason build a brand spankin' new computer and put Windows 7 on it.

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51972283]In addition to this keep in mind that they aren't [I]stopping[/I] updates to the two OSes. They just won't install if you for whatever reason build a brand spankin' new computer and put Windows 7 on it.[/QUOTE] The actual number of people actually affected by this will be extremely small. This only affects people building computers from individual parts for themselves. A large portion of these people now know of this policy and are now going to avoid doing the upgrade if they want to stay on 7.

[QUOTE=Sombrero;51971538]What a crock of shit. No one should be forced into an OS because you can't alter a little portion of code to make it run with a barely old OS like 8.[/QUOTE] Excuse me, no one is forcing you to use this software. You agreed to their terms of use and licensing. Don't like it? Uninstall it.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51972419]Excuse me, no one is forcing you to use this software. You agreed to their terms of use and licensing. Don't like it? Uninstall it.[/QUOTE] Hardware* I'll take something that works over getting nagged at on an OS level to buy Microsoft products.

[QUOTE=Sombrero;51971538]What a crock of shit. No one should be forced into an OS because you can't alter a little portion of code to make it run with a barely old OS like XP.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sombrero;51971538]What a crock of shit. No one should be forced into an OS because you can't alter a little portion of code to make it run with a barely old OS like 98.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sombrero;51971538]What a crock of shit. No one should be forced into an OS because you can't alter a little portion of code to make it run with a barely old OS like 3.1.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51972419]Excuse me, no one is forcing you to use this software. You agreed to their terms of use and licensing. Don't like it? Uninstall it.[/QUOTE] yeah dude fuck criticism and if you don't like it you can just leave!!!! Thinking like this isn't particularly smart. What we need is a strong competitor to keep MS in check. Save us, Linux developers

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;51973345]Save us, Linux developers[/QUOTE] They might... if you pay them. Most linux developers are vastly underpaid or not paid at all.

[QUOTE=maurits150;51970717]I think an artificial block is kind of shitty though.[/QUOTE] It's needed or for people like our resident XP user pentium

[QUOTE=maurits150;51970717]I think an artificial block is kind of shitty though.[/QUOTE] I guess they need it considering people using win10 is dropping each month if we use Steam statics for data.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51973360]They might... if you pay them. Most linux developers are vastly underpaid or not paid at all.[/QUOTE] I'd be more than willing to pay 100USD/license for a good distro

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;51973381]I'd be more than willing to pay 100USD/license for a good distro[/QUOTE] You might, but if windows is anything to go by, most people are not. Entering OS market is tough, profiting from open source OS is really hard.

[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51970496]..why?[/QUOTE] Honestly, while I don't regret updating to Windows 10 (Windows 8.1 will EOL sooner), I was always one of the weird ones who liked Windows 8 quite a bit. The OneDrive implementation in 8.1 was better, for one. Also, this is a dumb move on Microsoft's part. Sure, you don't want another XP situation, but this is too heavy handed, especially when Windows 8.1 isn't even on extended support yet. MS is forgetting that people paid for that OS, and expecting support for mainstream CPUs when you're on mainstream support is by no means unreasonable.