Windows 7 and 8.1 is not able to receive updates on new processor generations anymore - Sensationalist Headlines

Whether you stay on Win 7 is entirely your own choice but you people honestly can't expect them to support older OSes forever. If Windows 10 isn't your cup of tea that's fine but don't complain when everyone else is moving on. This is all coming from a 7 user btw.

[QUOTE=DeEz;51973988]Whether you stay on Win 7 is entirely your own choice but you people honestly can't expect them to support older OSes forever. If Windows 10 isn't your cup of tea that's fine but don't complain when everyone else is moving on. This is all coming from a 7 user btw.[/QUOTE] afaik Microsoft's supposed to provide security updates for every W7 user up until 2020, so this decision is just complete bullshit. I'd be completely on board if this had just been driver updates and such, but that's not the case, it's a non-pragmatic restriction meant to push people over to 10

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;51974288]afaik Microsoft's supposed to provide security updates for every W7 user up until 2020, so this decision is just complete bullshit. I'd be completely on board if this had just been driver updates and such, but that's not the case, it's a non-pragmatic restriction meant to push people over to 10[/QUOTE] Uh no? They don't have to provide shit. I went over this like 10 posts ago.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51970989]Quite a few under the hood improvements. A vastly improved hybrid boot (Windows 8 introduced it, but it's been more stable for me in 10) so starting the OS takes very little time even on a HDD. Multiple desktop workspace support as a standard, and as a side effect of this better multi-monitor support. The driver tools are also a bit more reliable and will usually find reasonably up to date drivers for hardware like GPUs before you even get a chance to do so yourself. A proper notification system that functions kinda like the OS X one. Cortana, if you're into that. It does have a whole host of features that make it more functional than 7, even if I'm not actively using a lot of them.[/QUOTE] It also rips control over what the OS does out of your hands, serves you ads [i]on your own fucking machine[/i], sends way more info than it really needs to back home, and in general just tries to treat [b]your owned computer[/b] as Microsoft's property. Fuck that. It's my computer, not Ballmer's. Steve can run his computer however he wants, but he can't run mine because it's [b]not his fucking computer[/b]. The pros do not outweigh the cons for a lot of people, myself included. I'm a bit overdue for an OS install, being that the install date for my copy of 7 is 10/2012, but I'm probably just gonna throw another copy of 7 on this thing. I will grant 10 does a lot of things better but I'm not willing to give up control over my machine and let it serve me ads for the minor boosts 10 brings. Just on the points you brought up: Boot up time is irrelevant to me as I never shut my computer down in the first place, better multi-monitor support is nice but 7 handles my dual monitor setup just fine(Point of fact I handle that through my nVidia drivers rather than Windows), I don't want Windows randomly breaking Fallout: New Vegas by updating my video drivers on a whim(I have seriously had this happen before, NV is a bitchy little fuck like that), notifications are something I would probably turn off, and I'm indifferent to Cortana. Not enough there for me to put up with the downsides. Now, if they'd offer 10's plus-sides without any of the bullshit I'd be all over it.

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;51974288]afaik Microsoft's supposed to provide security updates for every W7 user up until 2020, so this decision is just complete bullshit. I'd be completely on board if this had just been driver updates and such, but that's not the case, it's a non-pragmatic restriction meant to push people over to 10[/QUOTE] Support for new CPUs is unrelated to security.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51978726]Support for new CPUs is unrelated to security.[/QUOTE] It is tied to it due to this decision.

[QUOTE=TestECull;51978666]It also rips control over what the OS does out of your hands[/QUOTE] How so more than any previous iteration of Windows? [QUOTE=TestECull;51978666]serves you ads [i]on your own fucking machine[/i][/QUOTE] Stupid, yes. Hopefully one of the many things they go back on in a later update [QUOTE=TestECull;51978666]sends way more info than it really needs to back home[/QUOTE] Such as? Telemetry is a basic part of like, any paid software so they can understand the wants and needs to users without pestering them. I've yet to see any evidence of more than telemetry happening (you can opt out). [QUOTE=TestECull;51978666]and in general just tries to treat [b]your owned computer[/b] as Microsoft's property[/QUOTE] How? MS haven't stopped me loading up Limewire or xxx-spankbabes-xxx or whatever ratchet shit you can come up with (just stop using windows if you genuinely think you've lost ownership of the machine, top tip: the fact you can stop means you've not) [QUOTE=TestECull;51978666]The pros do not outweigh the cons for a lot of people, myself included. I'm a bit overdue for an OS install, being that the install date for my copy of 7 is 10/2012, but I'm probably just gonna throw another copy of 7 on this thing. I will grant 10 does a lot of things better but I'm not willing to give up control over my machine and let it serve me ads for the minor boosts 10 brings. Just on the points you brought up: Boot up time is irrelevant to me as I never shut my computer down in the first place, better multi-monitor support is nice but 7 handles my dual monitor setup just fine(Point of fact I handle that through my nVidia drivers rather than Windows), I don't want Windows randomly breaking Fallout: New Vegas by updating my video drivers on a whim(I have seriously had this happen before, NV is a bitchy little fuck like that), notifications are something I would probably turn off, and I'm indifferent to Cortana. Not enough there for me to put up with the downsides. Now, if they'd offer 10's plus-sides without any of the bullshit I'd be all over it.[/QUOTE] Feel free to keep using 7 dude. I'm not trying to actually stop you, just lessen the god-damn FUD spread about the OS. I was just pointing out actual benefits of 10. But don't complain when you find in the future that absolutely nothing works because MS dropped support and vendors have all moved on. It's really not hard to rip most of the junk subsystems out of 10 with a few scripts someone with too much free time has put together online after all.

With the risk of sounding ignorant ive upgraded to windows 10 before and did not like it and went back to 7. I dont like the UI, the layout, the design, or the fact that some menus are like a fucking maze to navigate through. It feels bloated as fuck. It ran slow on my computer too (my comp is not bad either), and some programs weren't even able to support 10. Now that im seeing shit like how MS is putting ads inside of the OS, thats further detering me from upgrading. Many things could have been fixed for all i know, since its been a bit more than a year since i tried win10, but im sticking to 7 as long as i am able to

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51979149]How so more than any previous iteration of Windows?[/quote] Half the off switches are replaced by 'only do it x often' switches. Off means off, Windows. [quote]Such as? Telemetry is a basic part of like, any paid software so they can understand the wants and needs to users without pestering them. I've yet to see any evidence of more than telemetry happening (you can opt out).[/quote] They're pulling far more than just telemetry(which I would turn off anyway, I want exactly zero information going back to MS about my computer). They have to be, otherwise the ad system they implemented wouldn't work correctly. They have to be pulling data about [b]you[/b] in order to target the ads they serve effectively. [quote]How? [/quote] Remember all those off switches we used to have in the control panel that either aren't there at all or got replaced with 'on - delay one week - delay one month' switches? Remember all the control panel items that flat out aren't there anymore? That got gimped and merged with other things while losing half their functionality? Yeah. I do too. That's control over my machine that is being ripped out of my hand. Add to that Microsoft's push for their little walled garden app store on desktop Windows and you don't even have to squint to see where I'm coming from. Microsoft doesn't want us to have control over our own computers anymore and they're inching closer and closer towards us losing that. I'd love to be proven wrong about this, but I expect Windows 11 to go even more in the 'You don't own your machine anymore, MS does' direction. I expect the next Windows to remove even more control over what Windows does from the person who owns the computer it's running on, for it to start blocking applications that Microsoft doesn't like from executing. They're laying the groundwork for it now and, while I hope I'm wrong, I don't expect to be. [quote] It's really not hard to rip most of the junk subsystems out of 10 with a few scripts someone with too much free time has put together online after all.[/QUOTE] You shouldn't need scripts to do that. Those systems either A: Shouldn't be there at all, or B: Should have an easy off switch in the control panel which stays off and is never ignored. The fact that you need third party scripts to disable that shit speaks volumes.

[QUOTE=TestECull;51979240]Half the off switches are replaced by 'only do it x often' switches. Off means off, Windows. They're pulling far more than just telemetry(which I would turn off anyway, I want exactly zero information going back to MS about my computer). They have to be, otherwise the ad system they implemented wouldn't work correctly. They have to be pulling data about [b]you[/b] in order to target the ads they serve effectively. Remember all those off switches we used to have in the control panel that either aren't there at all or got replaced with 'on - delay one week - delay one month' switches? Remember all the control panel items that flat out aren't there anymore? That got gimped and merged with other things while losing half their functionality? Yeah. I do too. That's control over my machine that is being ripped out of my hand. Add to that Microsoft's push for their little walled garden app store on desktop Windows and you don't even have to squint to see where I'm coming from. Microsoft doesn't want us to have control over our own computers anymore and they're inching closer and closer towards us losing that. I'd love to be proven wrong about this, but I expect Windows 11 to go even more in the 'You don't own your machine anymore, MS does' direction. I expect the next Windows to remove even more control over what Windows does from the person who owns the computer it's running on, for it to start blocking applications that Microsoft doesn't like from executing. They're laying the groundwork for it now and, while I hope I'm wrong, I don't expect to be. You shouldn't need scripts to do that. Those systems either A: Shouldn't be there at all, or B: Should have an easy off switch in the control panel which stays off and is never ignored. The fact that you need third party scripts to disable that shit speaks volumes.[/QUOTE] The amount of time it took you to write this is 50 times longer than finding, downloading, and running one of the privacy scripts. You are making a huge issue over nothing.

[QUOTE=jordguitar;51979830]The amount of time it took you to write this is 50 times longer than finding, downloading, and running one of the privacy scripts. You are making a huge issue over nothing.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but this is a huge issue, just because you can get privacy scripts is meaningless, what about the large percentage of users who don't know these things exist, you shouldn't have to dig through settings or run third party scripts just to stop Microsoft from spying on you.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;51980155]I'm sorry but this is a huge issue, just because you can get privacy scripts is meaningless, what about the large percentage of users who don't know these things exist, you shouldn't have to dig through settings or run third party scripts just to stop Microsoft from spying on you.[/QUOTE] They don't care enough to threaten to switch to linux (because they have no fucking clue how to even begin).

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51970158]It makes zero sense to use latest and greatest CPU while being on 8.1[/QUOTE] That's where you're wrong. I challenge you to run older retail games like Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear or Need for Speed: Carbon on Windows 10. Report back to me after you've tried. [sp]I'll save you the trouble, you fucking can't. Your options are 1.) build an extra PC with an older OS that supports the games (like literally any OS from the games' release dates to any OS prior to 10), 2.) dual boot two OSes just so you can play your games, or 3.) just not bother to upgrade to Win10 because the only real benefits to it are the ability to play DX12 games and stuff on the Microsoft store, which isn't even much of a library as we speak.[/sp] I'm sitting here with a Windows 7 installation next to my Win10 one just so I can play my games that Microsoft fucked support for, and the only Windows Store games I own were given to me for free (and I've only played [I]maybe[/I] two hours of Winstore games total). Not to mention that all the thirdparty DX12 games I've tried crash for no damn reason (until of course, I switch to DirectX 11). What reason do I really have to be on Windows 10 that isn't being pointlessly forced on me? Sure, it might make 0 sense if you don't give a damn about playing games more than a decade old, but you're not the deciding party on what users want to enjoy.

[QUOTE=gk99;51980309]That's where you're wrong. I challenge you to run older retail games like Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear or Need for Speed: Carbon on Windows 10. Report back to me after you've tried. [sp]I'll save you the trouble, you fucking can't. Your options are 1.) build an extra PC with an older OS that supports the games (like literally any OS from the games' release dates to any OS prior to 10), 2.) dual boot two OSes just so you can play your games, or 3.) just not bother to upgrade to Win10 because the only real benefits to it are the ability to play DX12 games and stuff on the Microsoft store, which isn't even much of a library as we speak.[/sp] I'm sitting here with a Windows 7 installation next to my Win10 one just so I can play my games that Microsoft fucked support for, and the only Windows Store games I own were given to me for free (and I've only played [I]maybe[/I] two hours of Winstore games total). Not to mention that all the thirdparty DX12 games I've tried crash for no damn reason (until of course, I switch to DirectX 11). What reason do I really have to be on Windows 10 that isn't being pointlessly forced on me? Sure, it might make 0 sense if you don't give a damn about playing games more than a decade old, but you're not the deciding party on what users want to enjoy.[/QUOTE] I can play them just fine in a VM though. Easy, fast and really no downsides. Hell, you can even install older OS for more compatibility.

[QUOTE=gk99;51980309]That's where you're wrong. I challenge you to run older retail games like Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear or Need for Speed: Carbon on Windows 10. Report back to me after you've tried. [sp]I'll save you the trouble, you fucking can't. Your options are 1.) build an extra PC with an older OS that supports the games (like literally any OS from the games' release dates to any OS prior to 10), 2.) dual boot two OSes just so you can play your games, or 3.) just not bother to upgrade to Win10 because the only real benefits to it are the ability to play DX12 games and stuff on the Microsoft store, which isn't even much of a library as we speak.[/sp] I'm sitting here with a Windows 7 installation next to my Win10 one just so I can play my games that Microsoft fucked support for, and the only Windows Store games I own were given to me for free (and I've only played [I]maybe[/I] two hours of Winstore games total). Not to mention that all the thirdparty DX12 games I've tried crash for no damn reason (until of course, I switch to DirectX 11). What reason do I really have to be on Windows 10 that isn't being pointlessly forced on me? Sure, it might make 0 sense if you don't give a damn about playing games more than a decade old, but you're not the deciding party on what users want to enjoy.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Need for Speed: Carbon[/QUOTE] SafeDisk4 is intentionally broken on 10 because it is a fucking massive security hole. The game does run on 10. [QUOTE]Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear[/QUOTE] Game is confused to where to run under 32 bit (it's looking in the 64 bit program folder) so you just need a registry fix to redirect all the paths to program files (x86) and boom your fixed up.

Jokes on you, I still have an i7-2600k

good thing I bought a 6600k when I did. Fuck Windows 10, I'll take 8.1 over it any day.