White Supremacist Nazis to Rally in Florida| Rick Scott Declares State of Emergency - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=kormonster;52793915]Nazi speech is worth defending because we don't trust the government to draft good "anti-hate speech" legislature that will adequately stop racism and pro-genocide rhetoric without it being hilariously ineffective or giving the government huge, overreaching power to make the constitution worthless.[/QUOTE] I don't know, drawing the line at fucking Nazism seems like a reasonable and enforceable limit to me?

Can we just take some time to appreciate that Rick Scott, a South state republican actually has a spine

My friend works at the college while attending there, she says practically everyone was trying to get rid of their shifts and those that can't really don't want to be there.

[t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMh6MirUQAEnXX5.jpg[/t] Lmao

[QUOTE=Swiket;52797767][t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMh6MirUQAEnXX5.jpg[/t] Lmao[/QUOTE] Spencer sounds like a straight up SJW stereotype

[QUOTE=Mud;52792997]These nazis arent violent they just want the removal of all non white people, and possible eradication of all people that dont fit into their narrow idea of humanity [editline]18th October 2017[/editline] Completely non violent beliefs being expressed here[/QUOTE] "Is it technically considered 'genocide' if you internet-bully all the untermensch into killing themselves? Asking for a friend..."

Honestly if you call yourself a white supremacist you should immediately go to jail I'm all for different views but fuck these people. When your "views" actively harm everyone around you, you need to go

[QUOTE=Kylel999;52798506]Honestly if you call yourself a white supremacist you should immediately go to jail I'm all for different views but fuck these people. When your "views" actively harm everyone around you, you need to go[/QUOTE] Congratulations, now you have a law that accomplishes nothing because they already refuse to call themselves "white supremacists"

[QUOTE=GHOST!!!!;52792024]Well if we know where they're congregating, drop a bomb. Honestly these people are vermin. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Advocating Murder" - Mezzokoko))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Instead of bombs, why not riot police, tear gas and water cannons?

[QUOTE=Mud;52792901]Advocating genocide is pretty violent idk about you[/QUOTE] Where is there a clip of Richard Spencer advocating violence/murder against minorities? Genocide by birth rate isn't violence. Not that I want to defend Spencer, I hope somebody breaks his jaw for the third time, but I haven't heard any of these major Nazi speakers actually advocate violence, just jerk themselves and their followers off and talk about how great the white race is.

[QUOTE=srobins;52799631]Where is there a clip of Richard Spencer advocating violence/murder against minorities? Genocide by birth rate isn't violence. Not that I want to defend Spencer, I hope somebody breaks his jaw for the third time, but I haven't heard any of these major Nazi speakers actually advocate violence, just jerk themselves and their followers off and talk about how great the white race is.[/QUOTE] He has called for [url=https://www.thedailybeast.com/a-racists-crazy-ski-resort-smackdown]ethnic cleansing[/url] Not a video but is an article good enough?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52799765]He has called for [url=https://www.thedailybeast.com/a-racists-crazy-ski-resort-smackdown]ethnic cleansing[/url] Not a video but is an article good enough?[/QUOTE] It's a retarded thing to say, but that's obviously not advocating violence or murder at all. That can easily be construed as population exchanges that have happened historically (e.g. Greece and Turkey). You need better than that before you justify attacking someone Come to think of it, really none of these major alt right figures are actual classic white supremacists and genocidal freaks, just reformulated nationalists and separatists, aka the right wing SJW. None of them want to reconstitute the whole US as a postcolonial racial caste system again with whites on top, and according to their own theories whites aren't the smartest or the strongest. I doubt that'll stop any left wing extremist from coming up with excuses for pre-emptive violence and ultimately coming after normal trump supporters. They seem to eclipse the far right threat, frankly. I can't actually think of any organization comparable to antifa that's going around attacking leftists or rioting when left wing speakers show up. Militia movement is an irrelevant 90s thing, organizations like the KKK are riddled inside out by intelligence agencies, and actual planned attacks seem to be limited to the occasional lone wolf.

Never change conscript. What I will ask you to do though is answer this: So you have "peaceful ethnic cleansing" thing, what about people who are born in the USA and see it as their home more than elsewhere, if they refuse to leave what then? Will they be given second class citizen status? Hounded and coerced into leaving? Put onto reserves? The theory doesn't work, they would be violence and terrible mistreatment of ethnic minorities.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52800122]Never change conscript. What I will ask you to do though is answer this: So you have "peaceful ethnic cleansing" thing, what about people who are born in the USA and see it as their home more than elsewhere, if they refuse to leave what then? Will they be given second class citizen status? Hounded and coerced into leaving? Put onto reserves? The theory doesn't work, they would be violence and terrible mistreatment of ethnic minorities.[/QUOTE] Why the fuck are you asking me? I'm just pointing out his flimsy basis of labeling some fascist an existential threat to x to justify violence, which will inevitably extend to a third of the country (and other right wing speakers on campus, recently it's ben shapiro, milo, and charles murray) because people are actually being told trump is a white supremacist or a racist, the alt right is his base, and this populist backlash to the dems and the GOP establishment is a 'whitelash'. This is ultimately all about power, and it will be abused, especially when the left has lost a lot of power in government and is still angry after a completely unexpected election result This kind of political illiteracy and stoked hysteria is endangering normal right wing people. I also think, and I don't see how anyone can dispute this, that it's a massive issue that we're giving nutjobs physical power over people through the aura of a word. The idea that mobs should be allowed to designate and assault people is ridiculous and anyone who believes in such and acts on this belongs in prison. Also, the gap in how the DHS sees antifa and how many liberals apparently do is unacceptable

[QUOTE=Conscript;52800156]Why the fuck are you asking me? I'm just pointing out his flimsy basis of labeling some fascist an existential threat to x to justify violence, which will inevitably extend to a third of the country (and other right wing speakers on campus, recently it's ben shapiro, milo, and charles murray) because people are actually being told trump is a white supremacist or a racist, the alt right is his base, and this populist backlash to the dems and the GOP establishment is a 'whitelash'. This is ultimately all about power, and it will be abused, especially when the left has lost a lot of power in government and is still angry after a completely unexpected election result This kind of political illiteracy and stoked hysteria is endangering normal right wing people. I also think, and I don't see how anyone can dispute this, that it's a massive issue that we're giving nutjobs physical power over people through the aura of a word. The idea that mobs should be allowed to designate and assault people is ridiculous and anyone who believes in such and acts on this belongs in prison. Also, the gap in how the DHS sees antifa and how many liberals apparently do is unacceptable[/QUOTE] you're just talking...

[QUOTE=Conscript;52800156]Why the fuck are you asking me? I'm just pointing out his flimsy basis of labeling some fascist an existential threat to x to justify violence, which will inevitably extend to a third of the country (and other right wing speakers on campus, notably ben shapiro, milo, and charles murray) because people are actually being told trump is a white supremacist or a racist, the alt right is his base, and this populist backlash to the dems and the GOP establishment is a 'whitelash'. This is ultimately all about power, and it will be abused, especially when the left has lost a lot of power in government and is still angry after a completely unexpected election result This kind of political illiteracy and stoked hysteria is endangering normal right wing people. I also think, and I don't see how anyone can dispute this, that it's a massive issue that we're giving nutjobs physical power over people through the aura of a word. The idea that mobs should be allowed to designate and assault people is ridiculous and anyone who believes in such and acts on this belongs in prison. Also, the gap in how the DHS sees antifa and how many liberals apparently do is unacceptable[/QUOTE] You said it could be a population exchange, which gives the impression it would be peaceful and mutually acceptable. In reality it wouldn't be anything like that, it would be violent, so why mention it? I doubt you're an optimist based off of your other posts (generally skeptical/cynical analyses of liberalism) so I'm just not sure why you'd bring it up [editline]20th October 2017[/editline] And I said never change because I meant it

I see people constantly saying, oh we should be able to be violent against these people because they want to eradicate all none whites. Where the hell has anyone seen ANY videos of these people saying that? If you're pro white does that automatically you want to kill off every race? The only thing I've seen is them protesting white people losing power in the states, which yeah is ridiculous since the US is supposed to be a melting pot. But it's not the same as saying that you want to kill everyone that doesn't look like you. And please stop calling every person that advocates for white people Nazis, it makes you look an uneducated person that doesn't do any research. These guys are white nationalists, but there is a difference .The difference Being Nazis wanted all other races to be eradicated from the PLANET because thought blonde hair , blue eyed whites where the superior race. Not to mention Nazis wanted to eradicated people based on their sexual orientation, religious beliefs ,mental capacity and not just because they were white. These guys are advocating for white people to stay in power in the US, not to kill everyone that isn't white. Which yes, is a dumb ideology but its not the same as wanting to eradicate anyone that doesn't look like you.

[QUOTE=Conscript;52800156]This kind of political illiteracy and stoked hysteria is endangering normal right wing people.[/QUOTE] You're the politically illiterate one if you think "ethnic cleansing" is a peaceful process. That you're more concerned about teens who burn down trash cans and break store windows than about actual genocide supporters is weird to say the least. [editline]20th October 2017[/editline] What the fuck is up with everyone spouting memes about white supremacists being peaceful? You guys seriously believe white supremacism is non violent? How utterly retarded.

I'm going to advocate that nazis be peacefully punched in the face. There I'm not advocating for violence because I put peaceful in front of the scary word.

[QUOTE=Conscript;52800069]I can't actually think of any organization comparable to antifa that's going around attacking leftists or rioting when left wing speakers show up.[/QUOTE] Oh, you mean like driving into crowds of protesters? I mean, I'm already not expecting much from someone who thinks ethnic cleansing isn't necessarily violent but really?

[QUOTE=_Axel;52800534]You're the politically illiterate one if you think "ethnic cleansing" is a peaceful process. That you're more concerned about teens who burn down trash cans and break store windows than about actual genocide supporters is weird to say the least. [editline]20th October 2017[/editline] What the fuck is up with everyone spouting memes about white supremacists being peaceful? You guys seriously believe white supremacism is non violent? How utterly retarded.[/QUOTE] I'm starting to think you're legitimately incapable of thought when it comes to this issue. Antifa is not 'teens who burn down trash cans', we have a whole year of assaults on trump supporters and attendees of campus speakers, europe has even more. I could post numerous images and videos. Any rally right of #nevertrump has these militants show up. We have no such equivalent for the right. Second, if you're going to create a special example for why you should be allowed to attack people (that always has a creep as the definition of nazi creeps, because you're giving nutjobs power that will be abused, a far bigger issue than some alt rightie triggering people on campus), at least get your shit straight. From 2 seconds of a Google search: [Quote]"We have experienced this mass migration of people" into the United States, Spencer said. "Therefore they could go home, you can go home again. ... They came here peacefully. They could leave peacefully." "There are ways --•whether it's a direct payment, whether it's showing them the beauty of being reconnected with their real culture, there are ways of what you could call re-immigration."[/quote] [Quote]Spencer denied being a white supremacist•in a December 2016 interview with Ganim. But, in that interview he said, "Only white people can support what we call Western civilization." He also has said there should be a "peaceful ethnic cleansing," meaning individuals not of European descent should voluntarily leave the United States.[/quote] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politics/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-punched/index.html[/url] Also the 'meme' probably comes from people concerned about peaceful dialogue and right to speak, so they look at facts and give the benefit of the doubt rather than stoke hysteria, tie it to trump for political gains, and apologize for the actions of left wing mobs that feel empowered by media representation and dominant culture. [Quote]Oh, you mean like driving into crowds of protesters?[/QUOTE] 'Schizophrenic lone wolf crashes a car into opposing rally after fights break out, therefore I have the right to label and assault people as I wish in """"""self-defense"""""' Get over yourself. The Greensboro massacre killed more 30 years ago. Unlike in 1932, there is no far right street organization looking to remove leftists from the streets. Political violence is disproportionately left wing because 1) the left is out of governmental power 2) the country simply doesn't favor the far right and the media is blowing them up, as well as tying them to trump and his 'violent' rallies and 'racist demagoguery', giving people a sense of necessity for antifa 3) political violence and activism is mostly young people. Young people today are pretty left wing A far, far bigger issue is a lot of people considering the president to be hitler and simultaneously taking out their anger and justifying violence on all sorts of 'alt right' individuals, which right now is nothing more than a lightning rod to be used to drum up a false threat to the left and minorities, and the momentum against this will creep over and spread to normal trump supporters. You're willfully blind and not worth talking to if you think a hail trumper pepe the frog guy is more of an issue than a movement out of power and very angry after 2016 taking up the power of a label and carrying out vigilante justice and pre-emptive 'self defense', with media depictions being hardly scrutinizing. But then again, plenty of people on this very forum think that's okay, and can't even equate the far left and far right in their minds.

[quote]"We have experienced this mass migration of people" into the United States, Spencer said. "Therefore they could go home, you can go home again. ... They came here peacefully. They could leave peacefully." "There are ways --•whether it's a direct payment, whether it's showing them the beauty of being reconnected with their real culture, there are ways of what you could call re-immigration.[/quote] This is some thinly veiled xenophobia on display, goddamn. Seriously, there is almost no more roundabout way of saying you want all those dirty foreigners to leave.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52801182]This is some thinly veiled xenophobia on display, goddamn. Seriously, there is almost no more roundabout way of saying you want all those dirty foreigners to leave.[/QUOTE] Yes, he's obviously a bigot. But, this is a moment to be responsible and critically analyze if this person is actually a threat to you and weigh it against whether your direct action agitation is going to end up being more of a social harm and have collateral damage Unfortunately that'll never happen because humans abuse power and they can't be trusted to responsibly use a label with a lot of aura. That's why there's a whole year of assaults on trump supporters leading up to Charlottesville.

[QUOTE=Conscript;52801161]We have no such equivalent for the right. [/QUOTE] What rock have you been living under...?

[QUOTE=Conscript;52801161]I'm starting to think you're legitimately incapable of thought when it comes to this issue. Antifa is not 'teens who burn down trash cans', we have a whole year of assaults on trump supporters and attendees of campus speakers, europe has even more. I could post numerous images and videos. Any rally right of #nevertrump has these militants show up. We have no such equivalent for the right.[/QUOTE] I couldn't care less for your anecdotal evidence. Showing me videos of alt right pussies who goad antifa into attacking them won't do much to convince me. If you want to have an actual point then show us statistical evidence, because the real stats show that it's the extreme right, not left, that is responsible for most of the political violence, despite your hilarious claim that there's "no political equivalent for the right". [QUOTE]Second, if you're going to create a special example for why you should be allowed to attack people (that always has a creep as the definition of nazi creeps, because you're giving nutjobs power that will be abused, a far bigger issue than some alt rightie triggering people on campus), at least get your shit straight. From 2 seconds of a Google search:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Spencer denied being a white supremacist•in a December 2016 interview with Ganim. But, in that interview he said, "Only white people can support what we call Western civilization." He also has said there should be a "peaceful ethnic cleansing," meaning individuals not of European descent should voluntarily leave the United States.[/QUOTE] Is your pathetic attempt at a point trying to prove that white supremacists are non-violent? What, pray tell, would white supremacists do should (and it would absolutely happen) non-whites refuse to leave the country they were fucking born in? Do you think those racist cunts would go "oh well, too bad"? What kind of acts would be undertaken by a white supremacist government to entice such people to "voluntarily" leave the country in the first place? You're either a closet racist or incredibly naive if you seriously believe white supremacists are the "peaceful" kind. Heck, you're simply fucking blind because they're being violent [I]right now.[/I] [QUOTE]Also the 'meme' probably comes from people concerned about peaceful dialogue and right to speak, so they look at facts and give the benefit of the doubt rather than stoke hysteria, tie it to trump for political gains, and apologize for the actions of left wing mobs that feel empowered by media representation and dominant culture. 'Schizophrenic lone wolf crashes a car into opposing rally after fights break out, therefore I have the right to label and assault people as I wish in """"""self-defense"""""' Get over yourself. The Greensboro massacre killed more 30 years ago. Unlike in 1932, there is no far right street organization looking to remove leftists from the streets. Political violence is disproportionately left wing because 1) the left is out of governmental power 2) the country simply doesn't favor the far right and the media is blowing them up, as well as tying them to trump and his 'violent' rallies and 'racist demagoguery', giving people a sense of necessity for antifa 3) political violence and activism is mostly young people. Young people today are pretty left wing A far, far bigger issue is a lot of people considering the president to be hitler and simultaneously taking out their anger and justifying violence on all sorts of 'alt right' individuals, which right now is nothing more than a lightning rod to be used to drum up a false threat to the left and minorities, and the momentum against this will creep over and spread to normal trump supporters. You're willfully blind and not worth talking to if you think a hail trumper pepe the frog guy is more of an issue than a movement out of power and very angry after 2016 taking up the power of a label and carrying out vigilante justice and pre-emptive 'self defense', with media depictions being hardly scrutinizing. But then again, plenty of people on this very forum think that's okay, and can't even equate the far left and far right in their minds.[/QUOTE] Not even gonna respond to this until you get your shit together and actually bring up valid stats that show ~the left~ is actually more dangerous than the fucking Neo-Nazis.

[QUOTE=_Axel;52801329]I couldn't care less for your anecdotal evidence. Showing me videos of alt right pussies who goad antifa into attacking them won't do much to convince me.[/quote] Lmfao videos are not anecdotal evidence. Also, it's interesting you're apologizing for their violence even before I showcase it. Antifa has no responsibility for their actions, sure. [quote]If you want to have an actual point then show us statistical evidence, because the real stats show that it's the extreme right, not left, that is responsible for most of the political violence, despite your hilarious claim that there's "no political equivalent for the right".[/quote] No they don't. It's not so clear cut. [quote]Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists are the second deadliest group of terrorists by ideology and account for 219 murders and 6.6 percent of all terrorist deaths. The chance of being murdered in a Nationalist or Right Wing terrorist attack was 1 in 33 million per year. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the second deadliest terrorist attack in U.S. history after 9/11, killed 168 people and accounted for 77 percent of the murders committed by Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists. Left Wing terrorists killed only 23 people in terrorist attacks during this time but [b]13 since the beginning of 2016. Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have only killed 5 since then, including Charlottesville.[/b] Meanwhile, the annual chance of being murdered by a Left Wing terrorist was about 1 in 330 million per year. Regardless of the recent upswing in deaths from Left Wing terrorism since 2016, Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have killed about 10 times as many people since 1992. Terrorists with unknown or other motivations were the least deadly. [/quote] [url]https://www.cato.org/blog/terrorism-deaths-ideology-charlottesville-anomaly[/url] If you cut out 1995, which is necessary because terrorism ebbs and flows every 20 years in what ideology is responsible (in the 60s/70s it was the left, in the 80s/90s it was the right, now it's up in the air but so far it's the left), it's pretty clear there's some rough parity going on. Over half the deaths from left wing terrorism in the last 25 years are in the last year and a half. I'm still waiting for you to cite the far right street fighting organization that attacks left wing rallies and disrupts campus speakers. I suspect it'll be a while. Also, there's an inherent fault in the logic of making out lone wolves as a justification for antifa attacking LARPing rallies, campus speakers, and little meetings of well-dressed cringe, it doesn't make any sense. I asked for an equivalent to antifa because of right now we only have one side from weimar, one can see plenty of anarchists but not much for a brown-shirted paramilitary. In fact, the demand for nazism seems to outpace the supply. [quote]Is your pathetic attempt at a point trying to prove that white supremacists are non-violent? What, pray tell, would white supremacists do should (and it would absolutely happen) non-whites refuse to leave the country they were fucking born in? Do you think those racist cunts would go "oh well, too bad"? What kind of acts would be undertaken by a white supremacist government to entice such people to "voluntarily" leave the country in the first place?[/quote] I don't get involved in speculation inevitably motivated by fear mongering and wider anger over trump when comparing who better represents weimar-tier street fighting in the now. However, spencer seems to believe in breaking up the US into a bunch of ethno-states that exchange their populations and pay people to leave. If you want to be principled, you take the benefit of the doubt. A co-founder of Black Lives Matter considers (among others) Assata Shakur, a far left revolutionary and cop killer, a hero and a lone shooter from that movement is responsible for attacking cops in Baton Rouge. They also have been recorded making questionable chants about killing cops and the urban riots they've spurred frequently end in random assaults on whites and property owners. However, I do not as a baseline consider the descendant of the black power movement, part of that left wing terrorism spike in the 60s/70s, to be violent. You take a similar approach to the right. And this is why both should be allowed to speak on campus, conduct licensed public rallies peacefully, and otherwise enjoy liberal freedoms until they violate them. And that's the sticking point. [quote]You're either a closet racist or incredibly naive if you seriously believe white supremacists are the "peaceful" kind. Heck, you're simply fucking blind because they're being violent [I]right now.[/I][/quote] I'm just not a lunatic. I believe people should be allowed liberal freedoms until they actually violate peoples rights or demonstrate violence, and I don't believe the angry left should be given power through the aura of the word and thus have the right to assault people out of phony logic of self-defense [quote]Not even gonna respond to this until you get your shit together and actually bring up valid stats that show ~the left~ is actually more dangerous than the fucking Neo-Nazis.[/QUOTE] The original burden of proof on you is to prove 'nazis' (is milo a nazi now? ben shapiro? charles murray? all of them get shut down at speaking events too, even trump and his supporters are fascists) are a threat and violence is a legitimate answer. This discussion is precipitated by violence at, for example, campus speaking events and the 'punch a nazi' national question.

[QUOTE=Cone;52792122]so now people have to waste time disavowing you instead of vilifying these cunts like everyone actually should be doing, good job[/QUOTE] advocating for violence or murder is never okay, my dude doesn't matter who they are, their beliefs aren't worth punching them over [editline]20th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=_Axel;52793423]Holy shit that's retarded. So "kill all the blacks" is fine as long as they don't say "right now" at the end? What constitutes "immediate"?[/QUOTE] it's really not "i believe that they should" is a lot different than "i am going to" how many thousands of liberals or righties would be in federal prison for going "i hope DRUMPF gets shot" or "i hope HUSSEIN obama gets shot" if you had YOUR way? that statement is different than going "i am organizing a rally to kill 'bama! bring yer rifles to dc two thursdays from now!"

[QUOTE=Conscript;52800156]This kind of political illiteracy and stoked hysteria is endangering normal right wing people. [/QUOTE] Poor normal right wing people, being endangered by the possibility that they could have to defend themselves from the label of white supremacist. Surely this is the plight that matters the most in this scenario, and not the wellbeing of the people of color, non-hetero folks, trans people, genderqueer people, and pretty much +30% of the population that is actually threatened by white supremacy. The people and their allies who have been publicly harassed, assaulted, beaten, and had a car driven into and through them. I'm sorry for the heavy sarcasm, but white people can afford to be mislabeled once in a while in their lives. Because in the meantime, bars have been set for public behavior by white supremacists that endanger the physical safety and lives of the groups I listed. That's the most pressing issue here.

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;52801534] white people can afford to be [/QUOTE] aye fuck off ya racist you realize that this is exactly the sort of statement that digs the white supremacists deeper into their belief that they're being attacked, yeah?

[QUOTE=Conscript;52801465]Lmfao videos are not anecdotal evidence.[/QUOTE] If what you're trying to prove is a general trend, then yes they are. [QUOTE]Also, it's interesting you're apologizing for their violence even before I showcase it. Antifa has no responsibility for their actions, sure.[/QUOTE] Did I ever say that? I just find their tactics pathetic, and so are the alt right's attempts to portray themselves as peaceful ideologists. [QUOTE]No they don't. It's not so clear cut. [url]https://www.cato.org/blog/terrorism-deaths-ideology-charlottesville-anomaly[/url] If you cut out 1995, which is necessary because terrorism ebbs and flows every 20 years in what ideology is responsible (in the 60s/70s it was the left, in the 80s/90s it was the right, now it's up in the air but so far it's the left), it's pretty clear there's some rough parity going on. Over half the deaths from left wing terrorism in the last 25 years are in the last year and a half. [/QUOTE] If you cut out 1995 ie the 168 deaths from the Oklahoma bombing, you get more than double the amount of people killed by the right wing compared to the left wing. That's not parity. Furthermore, your original point was that [I]there's no right wing equivalent to antifa[/I] and then you admit without flinching that right wing terrorism killed 5 people since the beginning of 2016. [QUOTE]I'm still waiting for you to cite the far right street fighting organization that attacks left wing rallies and disrupts campus speakers. I suspect it'll be a while. Also, there's an inherent fault in the logic of making out lone wolves as a justification for antifa attacking LARPing rallies, campus speakers, and little meetings of well-dressed cringe, it doesn't make any sense. I asked for an equivalent to antifa because of right now we only have one side from weimar, one can see plenty of anarchists but not much for a brown-shirted paramilitary. In fact, the demand for nazism seems to outpace the supply.[/QUOTE] Right, so I suppose the 5 people killed by right wing terrorists you cited don't exist anymore. [QUOTE]I don't get involved in speculation inevitably motivated by fear mongering and wider anger over trump when comparing who better represents weimar-tier street fighting in the now. However, spencer seems to believe in breaking up the US into a bunch of ethno-states that exchange their populations and pay people to leave.[/QUOTE] Speculation? You're the one arguing that [I]ethnic cleansing can be fucking peaceful.[/I] You're the one who should back up such an asinine claim. How the fuck can ethnic cleansing be peaceful? [QUOTE]If you want to be principled, you take the benefit of the doubt. A co-founder of Black Lives Matter considers (among others) Assata Shakur, a far left revolutionary and cop killer, a hero and a lone shooter from that movement is responsible for attacking cops in Baton Rouge. They also have been recorded making questionable chants about killing cops and the urban riots they've spurred frequently end in random assaults on whites and property owners. However, I do not as a baseline consider the descendant of the black power movement, part of that left wing terrorism spike in the 60s/70s, to be violent. You take a similar approach to the right.[/QUOTE] No. As far as logic goes, people advocating for "ethnic cleansing" are not peaceful. You're the one who has to prove they are. [QUOTE]The original burden of proof on you is to prove 'nazis' (is milo a nazi now? ben shapiro? charles murray? all of them get shut down at speaking events too, even trump and his supporters are fascists) are a threat and violence is a legitimate answer.[/QUOTE] Uh, no? I don't have to prove violence against them is justified, since I never claimed that. I was calling you out for calling them "peaceful" "unlike antifa", remember?