Uma Thurman talks about Weinstein and the onset car crash during Kill Bill - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;53108035]That is what the women who came out had to do. The only evidence they had was their own testimonies. So he absolutely should have. He is complicit when he knows but does nothing to stop it or bring it to light. And so are the rest who knew but chose not to speak up. Just because the victims had yet to come out does not mean Tarantino can't call him out about it. Fuck if he had done it sooner, this could have been brought to light far in advance because he is a big name in the industry, that is someone that can give credence and power. Instead he simply kept quiet. And I'm sure a man like Tarantino totally feels bad about not taking the ample opportunities he had to speak up about it. He's not responsible for the industry, just his actions. Or in this case his inactions.[/QUOTE] What could he have done though? Accused Weinstein of sexual harassment based on an actress' story? If he did that and no one came forward to back him up, his career would've ended right there.

[QUOTE=joost1120;53108094]What could he have done though? Accused Weinstein of sexual harassment based on an actress' story? If he did that and no one came forward to back him up, his career would've ended right there.[/QUOTE] Yes. Especially these days his career would have shrugged it off fine because of his name. And he can more than happily accept those risks the same as the victims had to. The first one to speak out had to accept that risk that she could be the only one and her career would be ruined. The first several in fact had that risk. And they were the victims, having to endure more stress on top of what they had already suffered. [editline]4th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=joost1120;53108094]What could he have done though? Accused Weinstein of sexual harassment based on an actress' story? If he did that and no one came forward to back him up, his career would've ended right there.[/QUOTE] He knew the right thing to do. He had the ability and the opportunity to do it. But despite everything he has, to him the right thing to do was too damn hard. You don't get sympathy or excuse for that.

[QUOTE=Mentlegen;53107982]I hate this kind of attitude when it comes to this kind of stuff because it just reeks of "well he hasnt done anything to me personally". This is the attitude that silences people from speaking up. He almost got Uma Thurman killed. She has permanant damage to her body because of him. I could not give a rats ass if you're the best director on the planet because if you put others in harms way you should not have your job and your work should be discredited. That's why people like Weinstein exist. They get away with stuff just because they're good at their job. Tarantino's career should be in the garbage and lesser directors would have been. He has a history of treating people like shit for the sake of his "vision".[/QUOTE] I don't quite agree. I love Tarantino's films, but being a good filmmaker has absolutely fuck all to do with one's moral character, and nothing should outright excuse abuse. More people should understand that.

[QUOTE=joost1120;53108094]What could he have done though? Accused Weinstein of sexual harassment based on an actress' story? If he did that and no one came forward to back him up, his career would've ended right there.[/QUOTE] not only his career, but he'd also risk the careers of others.

My old landlord purchased the blue Karmann Ghia from kill bill, the same one uma thurman drove. It's insanely fast since it's got a porche 911 engine in it. After this crash they got a new one on set and that's the one which is in the movie iirc.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;53108111]Yes. Especially these days his career would have shrugged it off fine because of his name. And he can more than happily accept those risks the same as the victims had to. The first one to speak out had to accept that risk that she could be the only one and her career would be ruined. The first several in fact had that risk. And they were the victims, having to endure more stress on top of what they had already suffered. [editline]4th February 2018[/editline] He knew the right thing to do. He had the ability and the opportunity to do it. But despite everything he has, to him the right thing to do was too damn hard. You don't get sympathy or excuse for that.[/QUOTE] Right, but why should it be expected that he has to risk his entire career with nothing to gain? Seriously accusing one of the biggest producers in film history without anything to back it up can and will ruin your reputation. I'm not saying he did the right thing, but to say he's a terrible person for not accusing Weinstein goes too far in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Mentlegen;53107982]I hate this kind of attitude when it comes to this kind of stuff because it just reeks of "well he hasnt done anything to me personally". This is the attitude that silences people from speaking up. [/QUOTE] It's the attitude that keeps most of the world moving forward instead of crying in a corner. I'm sorry, but i'm not about to try to elbow my way through all of the outrage just to add another pointed finger at powerful people at the other end of the world. I've got other shit to do than cry in the corner, crippled at the realization of the horrible shit humanity is capable of. There's plenty of shit to get worked up about where i am. There's also much more important shit to get worked up about in America. For one, a huge enabler and role-model for rapists and abusive people in the oval office.

[QUOTE=Bomimo;53108174]It's the attitude that keeps most of the world moving forward instead of crying in a corner. I'm sorry, but i'm not about to try to elbow my way through all of the outrage just to add another pointed finger at powerful people at the other end of the world. I've got other shit to do than cry in the corner, crippled at the realization of the horrible shit humanity is capable of. There's plenty of shit to get worked up about where i am. There's also much more important shit to get worked up about in America. For one, a huge enabler and role-model for rapists and abusive people in the oval office.[/QUOTE] Thanks for belittling my point about serious issues that don't affect you so obviously aren't important. Nothing gets done because people think that as long as an issue doesn't involve them it isn't important. But I can assure you it's important to Uma Thurman and her permanantly affected life. I'm sure it's important to the others he has hurt and been silenced because he has money and power. It's important to every human being who has had to deal with people like Weinstein and Tarantino that can do whatever they want for years and get away with it. Your argument is "we shouldnt care because humanity is horrible". You bringing up that we shouldn't care about Tarantino because Trump exists is just ridiculous. Just because there's a big rat doesn't mean we should ignore all of the small ones. The small ones can grow bigger and bigger until they're big rats too.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;53108035]That is what the women who came out had to do. The only evidence they had was their own testimonies. So he absolutely should have. He is complicit when he knows but does nothing to stop it or bring it to light. And so are the rest who knew but chose not to speak up. Just because the victims had yet to come out does not mean Tarantino can't call him out about it. Fuck if he had done it sooner, this could have been brought to light far in advance because he is a big name in the industry, that is someone that can give credence and power. Instead he simply kept quiet. And I'm sure a man like Tarantino totally feels bad about not taking the ample opportunities he had to speak up about it. He's not responsible for the industry, just his actions. Or in this case his inactions.[/QUOTE] Sure, he could've done that - but I don't think his lack of action points to him as being an especially bad person, either. Few people speak up, inaction is the norm - bystander effect and all. And why when those women haven't even spoken up about it? Should he just go out and say "some women say he's done bad stuff" and give no examples? Nothing to back it up? If those women kept quiet, what right does he have to decide that he needs to speak for them? They might be afraid of destroying their career, should he really make that choice for them? Hindsight is 20/20 - it's obvious that Weinstein should've been outed earlier, but the fact that it took 30 years isn't up to the inaction of a single director. It's a general failure of the system.

Bumping this thread as uma thurman posted video of the car accident. *video in source* [url]https://www.instagram.com/p/Be0x6OCFRwQ/[/url] [quote]i post this clip to memorialize it’s full exposure in the nyt by Maureen Dowd. the circumstances of this event were negligent to the point of criminality. i do not believe though with malicious intent. Quentin Tarantino, was deeply regretful and remains remorseful about this sorry event, and gave me the footage years later so i could expose it and let it see the light of day, regardless of it most likely being an event for which justice will never be possible. he also did so with full knowledge it could cause him personal harm, and i am proud of him for doing the right thing and for his courage. THE COVER UP after the fact is UNFORGIVABLE. for this i hold Lawrence Bender, E. Bennett Walsh, and the notorious Harvey Weinstein solely responsible. they lied, destroyed evidence, and continue to lie about the permanent harm they caused and then chose to suppress. the cover up did have malicious intent, and shame on these three for all eternity. CAA never sent anyone to Mexico. i hope they look after other clients more respectfully if they in fact want to do the job for which they take money with any decency.[/quote]

I think people in this thread jumped way ahead of the game against Tarantino just because of the New York Times. Uma always had a great mutual respectful relationship with Tarantino. It just goes to show the power of the press. Suddenly 10 gullible nincompoops fall for incorrect news and lose interest. Not that I care anyway.

2 weeks ago, I did a paper for my English class on the topic 'What is the best movie ever made, and why', I picked Kill Bill Vol. 1. I noted how the movie gave the female cast strong roles. I even kept in mind how Tarantino's relationship with Thurman inspired this. The fuck do I know.

[QUOTE=Liam968;53111112]2 weeks ago, I did a paper for my English class on the topic 'What is the best movie ever made, and why', I picked Kill Bill Vol. 1. I noted how the movie gave the female cast strong roles. I even kept in mind how Tarantino's relationship with Thurman inspired this. The fuck do I know.[/QUOTE] You weren't wrong though.

[QUOTE=Mentlegen;53107982]I hate this kind of attitude when it comes to this kind of stuff because it just reeks of "well he hasnt done anything to me personally". This is the attitude that silences people from speaking up. He almost got Uma Thurman killed. She has permanant damage to her body because of him. I could not give a rats ass if you're the best director on the planet because if you put others in harms way you should not have your job and your work should be discredited. That's why people like Weinstein exist. They get away with stuff just because they're good at their job. Tarantino's career should be in the garbage and lesser directors would have been. He has a history of treating people like shit for the sake of his "vision".[/QUOTE] I usually try to separate the person from the art they produce. I like the beatles but John is a certified cunt and a pretty bad father, for example. I feel as though we can judge each separately.

[QUOTE=The Aussie;53111175]I usually try to separate the person from the art they produce. I like the beatles but John is a certified cunt and a pretty bad father, for example. I feel as though we can judge each separately.[/QUOTE] I mean I think it's okay to like something as long as you acknowledge the person isn't some sort of saint. Don't idolize them, treat them as the flawed awful humans they are. Everyone has a different line though. It also helps that John has been dead for years so I give less of a crap than I do about Tarantino.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;53105661]Hearing about Tarantino being a complete asshole is so disappointing.[/QUOTE] I feel like "complete asshole" doesn't quite describe pressuring someone into driving a death machine and not apologizing after they came back from it injured. "Disgusting sociopath" might be more fitting.

[quote]As it turns out, Quentin was aware that the actress was going to come forward and share some serious allegations with the New York Times. "I knew that the piece was happening. Uma and I had talked about it, for a long period of time, deciding how she was going to do it. She wanted clarity on what happened in that car crash, after all these years. She asked, could I get her the footage? I had to find it, 15 years later," he shared with Deadline. "I didn't think we were going to be able to find it. It was clear and it showed the crash and the aftermath. I was very happy to get it to Uma." "I figured that eventually [the video clip] would be used whenever she had her big piece. Also, there was an element of closure. She had been denied it, from Harvey Weinstein, being able to even see the footage. I wanted to deliver it to her, so she could look at it," Quentin explained. "So she could see it and help her with her memory of the incident."[/quote] [url]http://www.eonline.com/news/911852/quentin-tarantino-breaks-silence-after-uma-thurman-shares-kill-bill-crash-footage[/url] Nothing really new, but it's nice to see him own up personally.

I mean if Uma Thurman forgives him for it, more power to her. I wouldn't though.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;53111885]I mean if Uma Thurman forgives him for it, more power to her. I wouldn't though.[/QUOTE] Maybe Uma knows something about the situation that you don't.

[quote]Quentin Tarantino, was deeply regretful and remains remorseful about this sorry event, and gave me the footage years later so i could expose it and let it see the light of day, regardless of it most likely being an event for which justice will never be possible. he also did so with full knowledge it could cause him personal harm, and i am proud of him for doing the right thing and for his courage.[/quote] Wow, somehow never about this happening until now. She's a strong woman.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;53111885]I mean if Uma Thurman forgives him for it, more power to her. I wouldn't though.[/QUOTE] I mean, I think if I was in her position I'd forgive him. I already have a lot of respect for his work and his devotion to the craft, and clearly it's working since his stuff is some of the best in Hollywood almost consistently throughout his career, even if that means that he (on par with other directors) comes off as more eccentric to get his vision through. So if I as an [I]outsider [/I]can hold him to that regard, I'd imagine someone who knows him as intimately as Therman would be able to be more open to forgiveness. :v:

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;53111918]Maybe Uma knows something about the situation that you don't.[/QUOTE] Distinctly likely! I'm not omniscient.

[QUOTE=The Aussie;53111175]I usually try to separate the person from the art they produce. I like the beatles but John is a certified cunt and a pretty bad father, for example. I feel as though we can judge each separately.[/QUOTE] And other than the occasional mention, where it's pure words, he got away with it. He's still held as a harbinger of peace, Imagine is still paraded song written by a pure soul, when it was built by an abusive figure. People seem to say "seperate the art from the artist" less literally, and more to absolve themselves of thinking critically about the wrongdoings of the artist. Like someone said earier in the thread, it's effectively gives them a free pass to their shit behaviour because they were good at their job. It places higher value on their work than on their victims' lives. Lennon's son [I]hates[/I] praise he hears of his father, almost violently so, because of how awful he was. But Lennon's legacy will still be "Beatles member, song writer, and peace activist." He got away with abuse because of his status, and his memory still untainted. [editline]6th February 2018[/editline] I know y'all hate tumblr, but I remember reading a good post saying that if so many music/movies become "tainted" because of their creators, so be it. They're built on rot.

So way back in 2003, Tarantino said on the Howard Stern show that Polanski in fact didn't rape a 13-year old on account of some serious horse shit semantics, said some bullshit about European morals vs American morals (like holy shit go fuck yourself) and, when reminded that she was drugged, said she was 'down with this'. There's audio a little down. [URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358267/Quentin-Tarantino-defends-Roman-Polanski-2003-interview.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;53112475]So way back in 2003, Tarantino said on the Howard Stern show that Polanski in fact didn't rape a 13-year old on account of some serious horse shit semantics, said some bullshit about European morals vs American morals (like holy shit go fuck yourself) and, when reminded that she was drugged, said she was 'down with this'. There's audio a little down. [URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5358267/Quentin-Tarantino-defends-Roman-Polanski-2003-interview.html[/URL][/QUOTE] seems to me that has more to do with ignorance on the situation rather than simply being a disgusting piece of shit. Quentin's never been known to be very smart, this doesn't change or add much, i think.

[QUOTE=Blazedalt;53112516]seems to me that has more to do with ignorance on the situation rather than simply being a disgusting piece of shit. Quentin's never been known to be very smart, this doesn't change or add much, i think.[/QUOTE] I'm probably biased being both from a european country where the aoc is 15 (sweden) and where the criminal terminology is a bit more diverse, so I kinda [I]"get"[/I] the points he was [I]trying [/I]to make, even if I don't agree with it at all (and especially not when the context here is [I]Polanski [/I]of all people :why:).