Papa John's blames NFL leadership for lackluster pizza sales as shares sink more than 11% - Sensationalist Headlines

oh, huh. and i liked papa john's too and it happens he's an asshole guess i'm looking for another pizza place

Grew up with Little Caesars, none of the others really struck my fancy because they were more expensive and weren't as close by.

the only reason I order from papa johns is cause pizza hut doesn't deliver to my house both taste fine though

[QUOTE=Gentleman Cat;52847695]Grew up with Little Caesars, none of the others really struck my fancy because they were more expensive and weren't as close by.[/QUOTE] Usually the best times to go to Little Caesars is when its busy. You often end up waiting, but because of the high turnover, you end up with a fresh pizza, which tastes a thousand times better. Papa Johns around here is usually the best. I've never had any issues with the pizza chains.

I like Dominos but only because I am a fat piece of human garbage and enjoy their cheese-stuffed breadsticks and their cookie brownies. For actual pizza though I get like 20% off GrubHub coupons all the time so I order in local joints, much better pizza.

One of the benefits of living in New Haven is the amount of authentic Italian-American pizza joints here. Pepe's, Sally's, Modern, Il Forno, the list goes on. The pizza is usually cheaper than chains which is nice. The only reason I see people here order from places like Domino's is solely because they deliver and Grub Hub adds to the price. I think we have a Papa John here but why bother when you have actual choices?

I like Papa John's. I mean... from a purely business point of view I can see their point. Papa John's heavily advertises through the NFL, being the "official" pizza of the NFL, and having sports people in their ads, etc. If the protests are resulting in loss of viewers for the NFL (which was already losing viewers before, iirc) then that would translate to a loss of views for Papa's ads. Now you're spending more on ads that are yielding less results. If they wanted to stay neutral in the protest, they should've said "Declining NFL viewership is hurting our sales." But they didn't say that.

IMO their pizza is fine but that whole fucking "better pizza, better ingredients" is retarded. Their pizza is on the same level as Dominos, not bad, better than Little Caesars.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;52846760]I'm all for making fun of the guy, but do we have to call people who aren't about the protest racist?[/QUOTE] In 2017 if you disagree with someone you're either a SJW or a racist/nazi.

I would bet all the new-ish personalized pizza places (Piology, Pizza Studio, Mod Pizza, etc.) are eating up a lot of traditional pizza revenue.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52848243]I would bet all the new-ish personalized pizza places (Piology, Pizza Studio, Mod Pizza, etc.) are eating up a lot of traditional pizza revenue.[/QUOTE] Shame I've heard of none of those places. :v:

Will never eat traditional delivery pizza after eating Pizza Joint. I will literally drive there during a storm to get their buffalo chicken pizza.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;52846760]I'm all for making fun of the guy, but do we have to call people who aren't about the protest racist?[/QUOTE] He's a wealthy Republican donor and Trump supporter so it's a pretty safe bet. At the very least he's totally apathetic to injustice in America and only cares about his bottom line.

[QUOTE=OvB;52848205]If they wanted to stay neutral in the protest, they should've said "Declining NFL viewership is hurting our sales." But they didn't say that.[/QUOTE] It sounds to me exactly like that's what they did. I mean, they named the protests as the root cause, but not by taking sides: [quote]"The NFL has been a long and valued partner over the years, but we are certainly disappointed that NFL and its leadership did not resolve the ongoing situation to the satisfaction of all parties," Schnatter said during an earnings call Wednesday. "This should have been nipped in the bud a year and a half ago."[/quote] They didn't say the NFL should have quashed the protestors, they said the NFL should have found an equitable solution for everybody. I don't even begin to understand where people are pulling the racism card in that.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52848463]Will never eat traditional delivery pizza after eating Pizza Joint. I will literally drive there during a storm to get their buffalo chicken pizza.[/QUOTE] [img]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/11/06/fashion/06SNOOPMARTHA3/06SNOOPMARTHA3-master675.jpg[/img] On topic: I've honestly never tried Papa John's but like some others in here (and living right outside Chicago), my area is dominated by local pizza places. Rosati's, Nancy's, Italian Pizza Kitchen to name a few. But in terms of nation-wide franchises, Little Caesars is fucking delicious if its recently made (being a broke college student, $5 is a steal).

[QUOTE=Savage Octane;52846660]Marco's is the best of the chains.[/QUOTE] Marco's is God's pizza

[QUOTE=wauterboi;52846511]Local pizza hole in the wall > Chain restaurant pizza[/QUOTE] Amatuer. I drink my local pizza from a mason jar.

[QUOTE=catbarf;52848624]It sounds to me exactly like that's what they did. I mean, they named the protests as the root cause, but not by taking sides: They didn't say the NFL should have quashed the protestors, they said the NFL should have found an equitable solution for everybody. I don't even begin to understand where people are pulling the racism card in that.[/QUOTE] Because he's being polite for the sake of PR. Are you really going to give Schnatter that much credit? He's not neutral. He doesn't give a rat's ass about the protest, he only cares about his sales. "To the satisfaction of all parties," give me a break. [editline]2nd November 2017[/editline] "This should have been nipped in the bud a year and a half ago," is pretty obviously saying they should have quashed Kaepernick. Since they didn't, it's spread.

I really really enjoy Papa John's here in the UK, it's one of the best chains here if there is one nearby. Their delivery range sucks though so I can imagine they lose out on a lot of custom from that.

In my family we used to call Papa Johns the bubble pizza due to how many huge air pockets their dry ass pizza's crust always had. [QUOTE=catbarf;52848624]It sounds to me exactly like that's what they did. I mean, they named the protests as the root cause, but not by taking sides: They didn't say the NFL should have quashed the protestors, they said the NFL should have found an equitable solution for everybody. I don't even begin to understand where people are pulling the racism card in that.[/QUOTE] "Nipped in the bud a year and a half ago" clearly referring to stopping players from kneeling before it spread, the bud being Kaepernick.

Why do American posters always end up arguing which fast food chain sells the least bad pizza/burger/etc. Don't you guys have independent joints?

[QUOTE=Waffle cones.;52848710][video]https://twitter.com/businessinsider/status/926074378705661952[/video] step your game up, papa, pizza hut's calling you out on your bullshit[/QUOTE] That's because Pizza Hut doesn't have an exclusive contract with the NFL, and therefore would not be impacted by a decline in NFL viewers. Business 101

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52848707]Why do American posters always end up arguing which fast food chain sells the least bad pizza/burger/etc. Don't you guys have independent joints?[/QUOTE] I don't know about urban centers, but smaller towns in the US are completely overrun with chains, it's really disappointing

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52848707]Why do American posters always end up arguing which fast food chain sells the least bad pizza/burger/etc. Don't you guys have independent joints?[/QUOTE] Of course. But there isn't much conversation to be had saying "Skippers Pizza" in Madison, SD has way better pizza then the chains. I mean, that's great. But I'm guessing the vast majority of FP have never been to Madison, let alone South Dakota. Also its closed now, so I'm bitter about that. :v: Chains are supposed to be the same everywhere, that's why they are chains. Its the best consistent frame of reference. Everyone knows roughly what chain pizzas are like.

[QUOTE=Waffle cones.;52848729]I can't believe people who watch football can only purchase Papa John's[/QUOTE] You're ignoring what Papa John's claimed was the cause of the decline. It's not like protesting NFL players hurts the entire pizza industry overall. But it will hurt a company that has exclusive rights to advertise with the NFL because no one is responding to the ads. Now you have a company that's spending money on ads that are not yielding results. Pizza Hut is not affected because their market reach is not suffering due to poor NFL viewership. This comes down to strictly ad revenue and declining market reach for Papa John's. Papa John's does [I]a lot[/I] of marketing with the NFL.

[QUOTE=Swiket;52846270]Every time I think about this guy, I remember this video where he tries to come across as a relatable dad as he walks into his Roman Colosseum of a house. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjhzXDDXt74[/media][/QUOTE] Did he just promise the delivery guy a tip but then sent him off without ever giving him tip?

[QUOTE=OvB;52848774]You're ignoring what Papa John's claimed was the cause of the decline. It's not like protesting NFL players hurts the entire pizza industry overall. But it will hurt a company that has exclusive rights to advertise with the NFL because no one is responding to the ads. Now you have a company that's spending money on ads that are not yielding results. Pizza Hut is not affected because their market reach is not suffering due to poor NFL viewership. This comes down to strictly ad revenue and declining market reach for Papa John's. Papa John's does [I]a lot[/I] of marketing with the NFL.[/QUOTE] You're just taking the company's word for it though. Aren't these wealthy Republican businessmen all about personal responsibility? Maybe they should try harder with their marketing strategy.

[QUOTE=Waffle cones.;52848804]I refuse to believe that Papa John's is obscure enough to be completely forgotten about when not watching the NFL[/QUOTE] Of course not. They're not completely forgotten. They're blaming poor viewership for lackluster sales. Not falling into obscurity. You're telling me you refuse to believe a company isn't going to have a noticeable impact in sales when a usually responsive ad campaign starts becoming less responsive? You're ignoring basic marketing now. [editline]2nd November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Jim Morrison;52848809]You're just taking the company's word for it though. Aren't these wealthy Republican businessmen all about personal responsibility? Maybe they should try harder with their marketing strategy.[/QUOTE] I'm not making any comments on the political aspect. I'm just saying what they're saying is simple ton understand and only controversial if you look at the political sneak in there. "Declining NFL viewers hurts our sales from NFL ad runs." - non-controversial.

What makes this all the better is that [URL="http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/26/media/nfl-ratings-tv-networks/index.html"]apparently the NFL is actually losing less viewers than the four major networks[/URL] :v:

So yes, what they're saying is probably right whether you like it or not. Protesters giving the NFL a negative public image and declining viewers gives Papas a negative public image and declining sales. [Quote]It is worth noting that while sales during NFL games are important to both Papa John's and Pizza Hut, the two pizza chains have different relationships with the league. Papa John's is the official pizza of the NFL, and experts have said that means that people's negative perceptions of the league can carry over to the pizza chain. The company began its partnership with the NFL in 2010 and has "preferred pizza" partnerships with 23 teams. Additionally, Schnatter has a much longer history of speaking his mind on political issues than Creed does.[/quote] This ain't hard to understand [editline]2nd November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=EnlightenDead;52848835]What makes this all the better is that [URL="http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/26/media/nfl-ratings-tv-networks/index.html"]apparently the NFL is actually losing less viewers than the four major networks[/URL] :v:[/QUOTE] The NFLs viewers have been declining even before the protests started too iirc. That's where politics comes in now. It's an easy attack for someone who's historically an outspoken conservative who likes to comment on the political climate.