Tower Hamlets rejects concerns over Muslim foster family -READ OP FOR LATEST UPDATES- - Sensationalist Headlines

i honestly don't know how this kind of shit happens, don't you have to volunteer and undergo a heavy background check before you can become a foster parent? i don't know how kids end up in traumatic situations so often in foster homes. [quote]Local authorities are supposed to consider a child's religion, racial origin and cultural and linguistic background when making decisions about foster care. [/quote] especially when this is in place. how do you fuck up that badly, twice?

Kiddo probably hasn't even heard about "Diversity" and the Religions. I feel sorry for the little one, as I also got taken away from my family.

-snip this is the wrong thread and wrong section how did this end up here-

Why does the article by The Times keep referring to 'white' kids and families? I thought it was about religion, what does skin color have to do with it? It's a bit of a weird way to refer to non-Muslim people. I'm skeptical of this news. The article itself feels written to spark some kind of outrage (a lot of focus on stuff like ", a native English speaker,", "a niqab-wearing foster carer"). Aside from that there is no real proof of this happening at all (it seems to be mostly based on account of the mother's word - someone who was apparently deemed unfit to care for her child). If true, it's despicable - but I'll wait until further investigation is done to start getting angry about it.

I have doubts this article is actually as accurate as it seems. Where are the reasons for the child being separated from his parents? Maybe they abused the child and noone bothers to mention this but only the fact that muslims were ok to raise a white christian child. [editline]29th August 2017[/editline] [quote=mother] “She’s already suffered the huge trauma of being forcibly separated from her family. She needs surroundings in which she’ll feel secure and loved[/quote] surroundings you failed to provide

[QUOTE=AK'z;52625694]I have doubts this article is actually as accurate as it seems. Where are the reasons for the child being separated from his parents? Maybe they abused the child and noone bothers to mention this but only the fact that muslims were ok to raise a white christian child. [editline]29th August 2017[/editline] surroundings you failed to provide[/QUOTE] People are focusing on that because that is the issue that was highlighted, not that the girl was taken into care.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;52625752]People are focusing on that because that is the issue that was highlighted, not that the girl was taken into care.[/QUOTE] looks like a half arsed article tbh.

Should be noted that just 4 months ago, Tower Hamlets childrens services were [url=https://reports.ofsted.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/local_authority_reports/tower_hamlets/051_Single%20inspection%20of%20LA%20children%27s%20services%20and%20review%20of%20the%20LSCB%20as%20pdf.pdf]found by Ofsted inspectors[/url] to be totally fucking shit, so it's not surprising that they've fucked this up. The children's rights watchdog is now investigating the case [url]https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/29/london-tower-hamlets-council-questioned-after-placing-christian-girl-with-muslim-foster-carers[/url]

[QUOTE=proboardslol;52622291]I'm not saying that there's nothing wrong with this, I just find it interesting to emphasize a 5 year old girls supposed beliefs in the headline when 5 year olds are incapable of coming to a conclusion on something as abstract as god on their own. I think, as I edited above, that very religious people of any religion should be barred from being foster parents, and that foster parents should be held to a higher standard than this. If you're going to enforce your culture on someone else and refuse to let them be who they are, you have no business as a foster parent (let alone as a regular parent)[/QUOTE] Until a person is old enough to make decisions of their own and choose their lifestyle by means of direct decisions or circumstances that they somewhat control, it's very common to refer to their family's way of life as their own. Because, you know, [I]they're born in it.[/I] And since children are sheltered rather firmly in this day and age, that way of life is effectively their universal standard of living; getting to discover a very different lifestyle let alone being forced to live in it is going to come as nothing short of a shock, the kind a 5 year old in the modern world is not built to take as evidenced here.

[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;52625137]i honestly don't know how this kind of shit happens, don't you have to volunteer and undergo a heavy background check before you can become a foster parent? i don't know how kids end up in traumatic situations so often in foster homes. especially when this is in place. how do you fuck up that badly, twice?[/QUOTE] Our child protection agencies are kinda fucking garbage all over. Even more so in councils for areas like London where funding is almost certainly not being directed where it should (and instead into somebodies pockets I expect). The foster system over here has made several mistakes of varying degrees of severity almost consistently, it's not that they go out of their way to do this kind of stuff. More that they likely haven't the money or manpower to perform their jobs properly. Guess what's only going to get worse with the Tories in power :~~~)

A judge has ruled the girl should live with a famly member instead [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41091300[/url]

[QUOTE=proboardslol;52622291]I'm not saying that there's nothing wrong with this, I just find it interesting to emphasize a 5 year old girls supposed beliefs in the headline when 5 year olds are incapable of coming to a conclusion on something as abstract as god on their own. I think, as I edited above, that very religious people of any religion should be barred from being foster parents, and that foster parents should be held to a higher standard than this. If you're going to enforce your culture on someone else and refuse to let them be who they are, you have no business as a foster parent (let alone as a regular parent)[/QUOTE] It's creepy, and people would get pissed if we did it for other traits (my son is a proud communist like me!) but it's just how people do it.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52629625]It's creepy, and people would get pissed if we did it for other traits (my son is a proud communist like me!) but it's just how people do it.[/QUOTE] I'm saying I think there's some coded message here. I think "Christian" means "white" here.

[QUOTE]The child was originally taken into foster care by the council in March. The judge, Khatun Sapnara, also disclosed in an order that the girl came from a family with a Muslim background, but were non-practising. The council said there was no culturally-matched foster placement available, therefore the child was placed in the temporary care of a mixed-race family. Contrary to some media reports the council claimed the foster family was English-speaking. But the child's mother, who has issues with substance abuse, expressed concerns about this arrangement. The court-appointed guardian visited the foster family and reported no problems and that the child had been well cared for. The child's mother, however, requested that her daughter be moved, asking that she live with her maternal grandmother. After an assessment, Tower Hamlets agreed that this would be the best option for the child. The council expressed concern with the media coverage of the story.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41101558[/url]

Great job, now her earliest memories of Muslims are going to be of the people that took her away from her family, people she couldn't understand, who took away her favourite food, took away her favorite holidays, and called her kind stupid and alcoholic.

I was completely fooled by this story the first time I read it, like many people here, and I am angry because of it. A lot of this story has been twisted and more or less weaponised, as Wiggles just gave some inkling of. Here are the court documents for this case: [url]https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/case-management-order-lbtw-cd-and-ors-20170830.pdf[/url] And the key facts to consider; 1) The police, not the local council placed the child with this family as a temporary placement 2) The grandparents of the child were non-practising Muslims. This was the grounds for putting her with a Muslim foster family. [B]The mother was lying through her teeth when she said the girl was of a Christian heritage. [/B] 3) The original mother never requested for a foster family change, as was her right. 4) Many accusations the press have made about the foster family are completely inaccurate and absent in the court documents, and even in statements by the mother or her lawyers. A) The foster-mother wore a hijab, not a veil. B) The foster family do speak English. C) They did not arbitarily ban holidays like Easter or Christmas. D) Bacon was not banned E) The crucifix of the child was never taken away 6) The foster family were known to be reliable and good carers, independently evaluated by assessors 7) The original mother had her child removed from her because of serious drug and drink abuse. So in conclusion, this entire thread should serve as a wake-up call that when it comes to these sorts of convoluted social issues, you need to wait and examine the details to find the real truth and evaluate what has gone wrong. Credibility of witnesses needs to be considered. What happened here is that the police relieved a child from her unsuitable mother, and placed her in the care of a family that was deemed to be trustworthy by independent assessment, and culturally compatible because of the child's Muslim, not Christian heritage. Many of the claims made by the press appear at no point in the court documents, either as part of legal review or as claims made by the mother and her lawyers. They are simply put, completely made up. If there was any abuse, there was no reason for the police to believe given the information they were provided with that the parents were capable of it.

[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;52633955] snip[/QUOTE] That's disgusting. No story would be made if the foster parents had been white and non Muslim. I really hope they got no abuse because they sound like lovely people.

Nice, added The Times and Andrew Norfolk to my journalism shitlist.

Posted on reddit, yadda yadda... [url]https://tompride.wordpress.com/2017/08/31/how-the-press-lied-about-the-little-girl-staying-with-muslim-foster-parents-here-are-the-facts/[/url] [quote]The temporary foster mother did not wear a veil as stated by the tabloids. She wears a hijab The veil in the photographs published by the Mail and other comics was photoshopped onto a stock picture of a Muslim family taking a walk in a park in Dubai:[/quote] [url]https://twitter.com/DMReporter/status/902461098888220673[/url] Surprise, the press were lying so they could be have something negative to say against brown people.

[QUOTE=Uber22;52623264]Dont know if this is really a thing about Muslims or Islam. I think this goes to show how stupid religion can be and how negative it effects the mindset of young children and youth if its jammed down their throats. Since i've seen this shit with Christian, Hindu, Jewish, and a fuck ton of other religions on the news before.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'd say the culture of parenting world over is fucked up in more conservative circles in that it tends toward complete authoritarianism, which flips what the roles should be in any heathy parent-child relationship.

[B]Update on this story[/B] The council has finished its investigation and has concluded that this was all a load of bullshit [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41833590[/url] [quote]The paper reported the girl had "sobbed and begged" not to return to the family because "they don't speak English". She also allegedly told her biological mother that "Christmas and Easter are stupid" and "European women are stupid and alcoholic". However, Tower Hamlets Council - which investigated the claims - said the allegations were unsubstantiated and the girl did not know what Europe was.[/quote] [quote]A report by a senior social worker said the child had "expressed no negative views about Christmas, Easter or any religious festival" when questioned. The five-year-old is currently living with her maternal grandmother, who the council said was "distressed and angered" by the "false" allegations against the foster carers. "She has a good relationship with the carers and is grateful for the excellent care she says that they have provided to the child," the report added. Lawyers for the child's mother agreed the social worker's findings were "an accurate representation of the outcome of the council's investigation," a Tower Hamlets spokesman added.[/quote]

This is why innocent until proven guilty is a thing.

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52845221][B]Update on this story[/B] The council has finished its investigation and has concluded that this was all a load of bullshit [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41833590[/url][/QUOTE] Can OP update his post with this article to clear any confusion when digging through the thread? This is such garbage media, unbelievable.

[QUOTE=Alec W;52845251]Can OP update his post with this article to clear any confusion when digging through the thread? This is such garbage media, unbelievable.[/QUOTE] Even if Tudd could change it, I doubt he would.

Fun fact, in the west there was a glut of white orphan children with nobody to take them in. The government approached white families in the southwest to take them in and everyone refused, but when they offered them to immigrant Mexican families, many of whom had lost children coming north or through other events, they were often taken in gladly. The white families immediately rioted, broke into the homes of the Mexican families and took the children back, decrying the idea that non-white Catholics could take and raise these good white children, despite the fact they had previously rejected them for being Irish, Russian and other 'hardly white' races. The government proceeded to side with the families, and barred the immigrants from taking in any children. Disgusting fucking racism has apparently not stopped, just reactionary cocks like Tudd still throw around these stories because a family dare try and take in a foster child, and commit the foul crime of being immigrants while doing so.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52845248]This is why innocent until proven guilty is a thing.[/QUOTE] and why news media is trash and needs reforming in some way to improve integrity (i realise this is extremely hard)

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52845256]Even if Tudd could change it, I doubt he would.[/QUOTE] Wow, nice snipe. You could at least ask, Tudd isn’t [I]that [/I]bad.

[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;52845335]Wow, nice snipe. You could at least ask.[/QUOTE] Alright let's put it to the test. Yo OP please add the new information.

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;52845377]Alright let's put it to the test. Yo OP please add the new information.[/QUOTE] It has been updated. I am quite disgusted by how the media seemingly did very little to look into this case. [editline]1st November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52845256]Even if Tudd could change it, I doubt he would.[/QUOTE] You know, that is a horrible thing to assume of me. For anyone seeing this; I will gladly change my OP when further news comes out for a topic. Just please PM since that will notify me faster, than bumping a two month old thread, and talking about after 30 minutes how it is evidence I won't do something. [editline]1st November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=JeSuisIkea;52845294] Disgusting fucking racism has apparently not stopped, just reactionary cocks like Tudd still throw around these stories because an immigrant family dare try and take in a foster child, and commit the foul crime of being immigrants while doing so.[/QUOTE] Sorry bud, I am right there with you. This was horrible that the initial news came out with what seemed like little to no verification. I think to believe that I would never want the kid to live with fosters from a different origin is you being foolish. I am actually quite for it. It is just that the initial articles described behavior I would find awful of any foster parent.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52845403]It has been updated. (...) You know, that is a horrible thing to assume of me. For anyone seeing this; I will gladly change my OP when further news comes out for a topic. [/QUOTE] Thank you for editing the OP. Please continue to give us reasons to not assume the worst from you.