High School Teacher Writes Letter Denying Rape Culture, Enrages Students - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52194539]You know where rape culture actually exists? The Middle-East.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but what the fuck? "Yeah sure, YOUR house is on fire but you know where fire ACTUALLY exists? THE SUN. Checkmate liberals"

[QUOTE=Dolton;52205823]I'm sorry but what the fuck? "Yeah sure, YOUR house is on fire but you know where fire ACTUALLY exists? THE SUN. Checkmate liberals"[/QUOTE] Nice straw man, he didn't say anything like "checkmate liberals" .also, that comparison doesn't work because he was sayimg it isn't an issue here but was elsewhere, your comparison says that it is an issue here but not elsewhere. Also, the sun is not burning.

[QUOTE=silaz;52205918]Nice straw man, he didn't say anything like "checkmate liberals" .also, that comparison doesn't work because he was sayimg it isn't an issue here but was elsewhere, your comparison says that it is an issue here but not elsewhere. Also, the sun is not burning.[/QUOTE] No shit it was a straw man, was that not obvious? I was mocking them. It is ridiculous to say that it isn't an issue. Deflecting that it is an issue other places implicitly supports the statement that it isn't an issue here which is a ridiculous argument.

[QUOTE=Dolton;52206003]No shit it was a straw man, was that not obvious? I was mocking them. It is ridiculous to say that it isn't an issue. Deflecting that it is an issue other places implicitly supports the statement that it isn't an issue here which is a ridiculous argument.[/QUOTE] Would you prefer to actually explain why he's wrong or achieve nothing by mocking him?

[QUOTE=Viper_;52201557]If people saw do you think they would more likely to cheer him on or beat the shit out of him?[/QUOTE] I wish people like this were as good at reading as they are at shitposting. Rape culture has been defined [i][b]In this fucking thread[/b][/i] and we still have people making "but nobody gets a pat on the back for rape!!!???" posts.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52206212]I wish people like this were as good at reading as they are at shitposting. Rape culture has been defined [i][b]In this fucking thread[/b][/i] and we still have people making "but nobody gets a pat on the back for rape!!!???" posts.[/QUOTE] This is why "rape culture" is the wrong word. People hear it and immediately go "There is no culture of rape".

There are many things to be said on this delicate subject, but what I will say is that perhaps one of the points of tension is that we are not making much of a distinction between causal contribution and moral responsibility. To say that someone acted in a way which contributes to the likelihood of a bad thing happening is not the same thing as saying that they are in any way morally responsible for it. These two things can come apart. Trying to make analogies about this topic is often tricky as often the situation or moral severity of the case does not match that of rape. In order to account for this, perhaps we ought to solely compare it to murder - to one of the most heinous crimes. It has been said by a user that to say that rape will always exist is to accept rape. I disagree. In the same way we denounce murder, and yet, invariably, people still murder, so to will it be for rape. It is the result of a (perhaps rare, perhaps not) certain kind of person. Insofar as those kinds of people still exist and are determined to be the way they are biologically, then they will always exist. Even removing biology, arguably these cases also bleed into crimes of passion and so environment, like with murder, may also always have the potential to create a rapist. At the end of the day, all we have is personal responsibility. The rapist is definitely responsible, and we hold him to it, but at the same time we also try to give advice that prevents this sort of thing, such as not walking home alone at night. There are cases, such as that of IJNOMED, of people being disbelieved or disregarded when they report sexual harrasment, despite them not doing anything 'wrong'. Such cases highlight a problem with either the person who disregarded the victim, or the system they directly fall under. It is perhaps useful to apply Occam's razor to this and therefore pin the failings on the smaller scale systems - the restaurant, or the shift manager. When such things happen the only thing that can be said is that it is, unfortunately, the responsibility of the victim to go above the head of the person who is ignoring them. This is because the victim is the only person with the knowledge of the crime, and therefore ability to pursue action. A local head office may be far more receptive of sexual harrasment complaints to avoid a PR nightmare than a simple shift manager. Giving advice to prevent this things does fail for the reason that preventing murder fails. Invariably, no matter how well someone does the 'right' things, there will still exist people who do bad things, and as such when these things occur the only thing that can be done is to attempt to put moral responsibility where it ought to rest, and attempt to minimize the chance of this happening as much as possible. To depart with my direct metaphor of murder; It is the case that there are some tigers in the jungle, and as such one can always potentially be attacked. Although it does not put any moral responsibility on a victim should they be attacked, it is advised that they do not travel without a gun and also that they conceal any meat when travelling away from camp. This example breaks down insofar as tigers can't be morally responsible, but setting that aside as something we can adjust in our minds, I feel this may be the best way of putting it.

NOT IN A RAPE CULTURE

Why the fuck did a high school teacher think they needed to write this?

Dude. Stop making Scandinavia cry!