Destiny 2 PC players report bans just for running common tools like discord - Sensationalist Headlines

Prediction is that Bungie will only start backpedaling once big youtubers/streamers start getting those bans.

[QUOTE=dai;52820440]where's this 400 figure from? If that's the extent of the bans I'm gonna laugh at all of the claims of "THOUSANDS" like it's literally every pc player who runs discord can you tell me what you expect flag reviews to entail? also your math is garbage, a [I]single [/I]person could run through 400 claims in an 8 hour shift if each took 1.2 minutes[/QUOTE] Flag reviews should entail a review of an application hash to be sure that it lines up with a blacklisted application (vac does this), a review of a list of hooks to the application for explicitly blacklisted applications, and gameplay review of any heuristics based catches for things that do not hit an explicit blacklist. This *at best* would take at least 15 minutes, and much more likely over half an hour.

[QUOTE=ArcticRevrus;52820435]Assuming a 10 hour window, it would take 40 people to take more than 60 seconds per case. [editline]25th October 2017[/editline] Can you seriously tell me that you think bungie is employing over 40 people to review ban cases?[/QUOTE] That's not good math. There are 36000 seconds in ten hours. 1 hour=60 minutes, 1 minute=60 seconds. 60x60=3600, so there are 3600 seconds in one hour. 10 hours is 10x3600, so 36000 seconds. 36000 seconds divided by 400 cases is 90 seconds per case. But that would be a single person handling all cases. If they have just 10 people working these cases, then you have 400 cases divided by 10 people. 400/10 is 40. So per person that is actually 40 cases worked in 10 hours. 36000 seconds / 40 cases is actually 900 seconds per case. 900 seconds divided by 60 will give us the amount of minutes. 900 / 60 is 15. So if they employ just 10 people, then its about 15 minutes per case in a 10 hour period.

[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;52820463]Prediction is that Bungie will only start backpedaling once big youtubers/streamers start getting those bans.[/QUOTE] Waiting for some YouTube channel to make some tests on fresh windows installs. :v:

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52820467]That's not good math. There are 36000 seconds in ten hours. 1 hour=60 minutes, 1 minute=60 seconds. 60x60=3600, so there are 3600 seconds in one hour. 10 hours is 10x3600, so 36000 seconds. 36000 seconds divided by 400 cases is 90 seconds per case. But that would be a single person handling all cases. If they have just 10 people working these cases, then you have 400 cases divided by 10 people. 400/10 is 40. So per person that is actually 40 cases worked in 10 hours. 36000 seconds / 40 cases is actually 900 seconds per case. 900 seconds divided by 60 will give us the amount of minutes. 900 / 60 is 15. So if they employ just 10 people, then its about 15 minutes per case in a 10 hour period.[/QUOTE] Yeah fucked up math pretty hard, lost a zero somewhere

halo 2 vista had a better launch than this

Most people I talk to think this new Halo game is pretty garbage. The only ones that like it are the die hards that liked the first one to a fault.

Blizzard accepted my refund request, this game cant be good enough to justify buying over wolfenstein 2 anyway

I bet they'll have it fixed within a few days

[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;52820547]Most people I talk to think this new Halo game is pretty garbage. The only ones that like it are the die hards that liked the first one to a fault.[/QUOTE] lolwut? its not a perfect game, but the world is interesting and the levels are beautiful light spoilers, nothing huge story-wise [sp]When you end up under the arcology on titan, and can see into the "water" while grabbing an item I had to stop and stare through the glass at this HUGE shadow swimming in the water. that and the whole room had a really neat design/look to it[/sp] plus, bungie did pretty well with post-release support for Destiny 1 and using that to improve the gameplay so I'm hoping the same happens here.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52820594]I bet they'll have it fixed within a few days[/QUOTE] Damage is done.

Question for those who were banned instantly: Did you play in the beta on the same account? If so, perhaps the bans were done based the beta? Still doesn't explain what they are banning for though.

[QUOTE=paindoc;52820792]lolwut? its not a perfect game, but the world is interesting and the levels are beautiful light spoilers, nothing huge story-wise [sp]When you end up under the arcology on titan, and can see into the "water" while grabbing an item I had to stop and stare through the glass at this HUGE shadow swimming in the water. that and the whole room had a really neat design/look to it[/sp] plus, bungie did pretty well with post-release support for Destiny 1 and using that to improve the gameplay so I'm hoping the same happens here.[/QUOTE] Graphics don't make a game, it's pretty much just Destiny 1 with extra skills.

[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;52820918]Graphics don't make a game, it's pretty much just Destiny 1 with extra skills.[/QUOTE] Graphics don't yes, but level design definitely does.

[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;52820918]Graphics don't make a game, it's pretty much just Destiny 1 with extra skills.[/QUOTE] tbh I'd have paid fullprice if destiny 1 released to PC and they were just going through the long-haul of upgrading through expansions. Hell, on the surface it still feels pretty 1.x ish and I don't blame people for saying "it's just destiny with some basic changes", it's hard to get over some stuff like the UI and character creation options being basically the same on top of everything else I appreciate the overhaul to a lot of the the game's foundation though- with how badly broken 1.0 was, and how long it had been in development prior to that launch, I'd assume a [i]lot[/i] of OG stuff was built on top of old code fixes and carried some seriously heavy baggage that was best left behind.

Here lies bungie, only known for Halo CE. (pc gaming master race everyone)

[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;52820918]Graphics don't make a game, it's pretty much just Destiny 1 with extra skills.[/QUOTE] that wasn't my point, really. it's that bungie is still making grand levels that feel like setpieces, which includes the atmosphere they set and the tones and themes they communicate. the vex are still lovecraftian horrors [sp]who terraformed an entire centaur/ice planet[/sp], the hive are still nasty/gross fuckers infecting and eating everything, humanities golden age structures and settings speak of a long-lost era and our ego ([sp]the arcology is so neat, definitely want to return to it[/sp]), and the class + armor design is still really good (class designs are clear, armor is interesting and communicative). So I wasn't just saying "omg the textures really pop and the explosion FX are super nice" The sound design is also pretty good, dig that a lot. Music still maintains Bungie's high standards on that front. I also really like that weapons/armor now have the usual inscriptions, and rare/unique armor now has more detailed 1-2 paragraph long lore pieces. The downsides, story wise are [sp]the resolution of the loss of light happens too quickly imo, ruining what could've been an interesting mechanic and a more impactful story. the villain is pretty much just an archetype, and his cutscenes can be jarring and miss chances just BEGGING for further exposition on the traveler.[/sp] bigger spoilers follow [sp]the humor of the AI on nessus is trying wayyyy too hard to be funny, and Cayde-6's lines are hit and miss and feel designed for quotability (oh god wait for people to make rick and morty parallels...), more time could be spent in each zone, and the exposition on each character could be done in a subtler and more natural fashion[/sp] Gameplay wise, I'm waiting until I play more than just the first 1/3 of the campaign before making any judgements. Thus far, it's a satisfying shooter set in an atmospheric and compelling universe. [editline]edited[/editline] hell, i'd also like to point out that any focus of mine on the graphics isn't surprising - I'm trying to make myself into more of a graphics programmer by trade, so I pretty quickly pick up on both good and bad things (along with graphics bugs)

[QUOTE=dai;52820972]tbh I'd have paid fullprice if destiny 1 released to PC and they were just going through the long-haul of upgrading through expansions. Hell, on the surface it still feels pretty 1.x ish and I don't blame people for saying "it's just destiny with some basic changes", it's hard to get over some stuff like the UI and character creation options being basically the same on top of everything else I appreciate the overhaul to a lot of the the game's foundation though- with how badly broken 1.0 was, and how long it had been in development prior to that launch, I'd assume a [i]lot[/i] of OG stuff was built on top of old code fixes and carried some seriously heavy baggage that was best left behind.[/QUOTE] Yeah, most of the game's development went towards creating new dev tools and reworking their engine, it was apparently very hard for them to change stuff on their maps, let alone creating new content.

You could always use windows remote support and overlay discord on the parasite computer. Most anti hacking measures utterly fail when remote connection is involved.

I've used overlays and haven't been banned at all, and ive also had a controller plugged in whilst using m/kb and had no 'easy peasy auto-aim' like people suggest. However, I HAVE been having issues where at seemingly random the game will freeze, crash, and essentially corrupt itself forcing me to verify the game every time it does. Annoying as fuck, but ive been enjoying the game otherwise. To be honest it's likely something to do with battle.net itself, I have a feeling they fucked up tying the game's functions to it and the anti-cheat (amongst many other things in the game) is going haywire - I myself as said before have the game constantly stop working because it says its 'corrupted' after a crash and battle.net forces verification, I also had to reinstall it 3 times just to get it to work in the first place because the install keeps missing files. Something tells me this is a battle.net issue.

Well, regardless of what causes it, I'm definitely not buying destiny 2 till I see a more concrete answer and explanation.

I livestreamed myself trying to set it off with Discord, geforce experience, and windows gamebar. I was unable to, whatever the problem is I think it might be more complex than simply having overlay software running. Its still shitty that Bungie would rather throw those affected under the bus and pretend everything is working as it should while they scramble internally to pin down whats happening than admit they have a problem and are looking into it.

why would bungie lie tho like do they not realize “yo we fucked up, sorry” would give them better pr than “youre all lying our system is perfect”

[QUOTE=DarklytheGreat;52821235]why would bungie lie tho like do they not realize “yo we fucked up, sorry” would give them better pr than “youre all lying our system is perfect”[/QUOTE] Or they're not lying and it [I]isn't [/I]apps causing the false-flag bans? I mean still shame on them for being so cagey about the subject, there should be more communication going on, but we don't [I]know [/I]what's causing it, and I think Bungie would have a better say on the matter than people on reddit.

I actually can't wait for Crowbcat to gather a compilation of D2 players/streamers' reactions when they were getting banned on cam. :v:

[QUOTE=shad0w440;52821093]I livestreamed myself trying to set it off with Discord, geforce experience, and windows gamebar. I was unable to, whatever the problem is I think it might be more complex than simply having overlay software running. Its still shitty that Bungie would rather throw those affected under the bus and pretend everything is working as it should while they scramble internally to pin down whats happening than admit they have a problem and are looking into it.[/QUOTE] Try MSI Afterburner, that also popped up a lot in posts from people. Probably want to enable the overlay in there etc.

[QUOTE=Skyward;52821323]Or they're not lying and it [I]isn't [/I]apps causing the false-flag bans? I mean still shame on them for being so cagey about the subject, there should be more communication going on, but we don't [I]know [/I]what's causing it, and I think Bungie would have a better say on the matter than people on reddit.[/QUOTE] They're still claiming that every ban is something they did manually though, which sounds incredibly bullshit when people are being banned before they even get to play the game. [editline]26th October 2017[/editline] Of course, there's still the possibility that they were manually reviewed, by an employee who didn't care and just hit the perma button for near every flag that came to them.

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;52821493]They're still claiming that every ban is something they did manually though, which sounds incredibly bullshit when people are being banned before they even get to play the game. [editline]26th October 2017[/editline] Of course, there's still the possibility that they were manually reviewed, by an employee who didn't care and just hit the perma button for near every flag that came to them.[/QUOTE] Or they were bans from the beta period, which evidently did carry over.

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;52821493]They're still claiming that every ban is something they did manually though, which sounds incredibly bullshit when people are being banned before they even get to play the game. [editline]26th October 2017[/editline] Of course, there's still the possibility that they were manually reviewed, by an employee who didn't care and just hit the perma button for near every flag that came to them.[/QUOTE] this would still make sense if bans were carried over from beta even outside of that if they're sitting there monitoring the heck out of reports (which could send the instant you log into the game) with a small support team, and they're reviewing flags that are [i]misrepresenting something else[/i] and saying something like 'flag- graphical code injector, aimbot/wallhack (asdfadfdfsadfasdf.dll)' instead of "they're fucking using discord.exe", they may just be like "well shit, that's shady as hell" and approve them without much investigation. I know some anti-cheats screencap what's going on to prove there's like, wallhacks going on at times, wonder if they have any backup to show what's going down

[url]https://twitter.com/Bungie/status/923357294628192256[/url] the backpeddling begins and now i dont know if im a part of it because i already got my refund :disgust: