Because Windows RT worked out so well - Microsoft announces Windows S - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;52176780]You can already do that with revoking install privileges (and most Admin rights) from them in the first place. And setting up a decent AV/Firewall, AdBlocker, lock out certain Windows services they would never use (Like Server, Network Sharing, Remote Reg, etc). You don't need to change OSs for something that can easily be done for free. Edit: The "You" being IT techs and tech literate people setting up systems for the elderly, kids, etc.[/QUOTE] lmao coming from someone who doesn't understand how school systems run and manage IT infrastructure, this is rich. sure, I'm sure every district in the U.S. is [i]totally[/i] willing to spend the time and manpower needed to successfully create and deploy an image similar to what you've explained. because it's JUST that easy, isn't it? obviously there are no nuanced differences between a corporate, educational IT system and your home computer that you can just install shit on whenever you want

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52177574]I really don't get the laptop - I mean, it's kind of a parallel to the Chromebook Pixel, but the Pixel was there as a halo product to give you a premium solution for a generally low cost OS, but this is a premium device designed as a halo product for a generally low cost version of an OS that already has a high-end market with a high-end OS? What's the point? [/QUOTE] Yeah, this doesn't make sense to me. IMO it would work much better with cheaper, low-end laptops with the limited OS and the expensive laptop with full OS.

It bugs me greatly how everything is called Surface because it evolved out of the Surface touchpads. Yes, they're great(IMO), but the "Surface Book" is a terrible name and so is the Surface Laptop, give it a new name for gods sake. Also any solid specs on the new laptop? I couldn't see much in the article

[QUOTE=jiggu;52177682]It bugs me greatly how everything is called Surface because it evolved out of the Surface touchpads. Yes, they're great(IMO), but the "Surface Book" is a terrible name and so is the Surface Laptop, give it a new name for gods sake. Also any solid specs on the new laptop? I couldn't see much in the article[/QUOTE]You'd rather Microsoft pulled a Google, renaming core products every three days? I'm glad that Surface is a recognizable brand.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52177686]You'd rather Microsoft pulled a Google, renaming core products every three days? I'm glad that Surface is a recognizable brand.[/QUOTE] Every three days? The Surface generation four was released years ago, don't exaggerate. I think the name Surface belongs on the touchpads and it fits them very well. Mac has the Macbook series, ipad, iphone etc. I wouldn't be surprised if I missed the release of the new Microsoft Surface Phone(tm)

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;52177170]I'm doing fine and I don't need to pay $50 to remove it [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Z64O71A.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] A bit unrelated but how do you get this to show up in Powershell

After reading the comments around the Internet I think it is safe to say Microsoft's marketing department made a complete fail this time mixing Surface Laptop and Windows 10 S. People are unable to set these two apart. - Sufrace Laptop is a premium product, think MacBook Air, made for trendy college students - on that premium product they put Windows 10 S, a restricted version of Windows meant for schools and inexperienced PC users Windows 10 S is meant to be used with cheap laptops. If people actually read the articles they will see they mention a series of cheap laptops under 200$ that should compete with Google's Chrome Book. That is the whole point. If you know how to install a program from Internet without installing random toolbars and malware in the process, this Windows version is not meant for you.

A cut down version of Windows that only runs shitty apps off their god awful store? Sounds great

[QUOTE=AntonioR;52177870]After reading the comments around the Internet I think it is safe to say Microsoft's marketing department made a complete fail this time mixing Surface Laptop and Windows 10 S. People are unable to set these two apart. - Sufrace Laptop is a premium product, think MacBook Air, made for trendy college students - on that premium product they put Windows 10 S, a restricted version of Windows meant for schools and inexperienced PC users Windows 10 S is meant to be used with cheap laptops. If people actually read the articles they will see they mention a series of cheap laptops under 200$ that should compete with Google's Chrome Book. That is the whole point. If you know how to install a program from Internet without installing random toolbars and malware in the process, this Windows version is not meant for you.[/QUOTE] So... Being around general college students for the last four years, Windows S makes a lot more sense in that market than you'd think. If I had a dollar for every time someone in a group project complained about viruses on their laptop, I'd be able to buy a few good hamburgers. Our IT department offers free malware removal, but they've got a month-long backlog. There's always something wrong with everyone's laptop. This sort of "set it and forget it" approach to Windows for portable machines might actually work really well in the university space. This is a fairly affordable college laptop with a build of Windows that's less likely to experience the same issues people are familiar with, and it does everything 90% of people need it to. I'm cautiously optimistic here. I think Windows 10 S has some utility to it. Whether people will go for it is another matter entirely.

[QUOTE=Fox Powers;52177761]A bit unrelated but how do you get this to show up in Powershell[/QUOTE] Screenfetch.ps1 on github

[QUOTE=jiggu;52177696]Every three days? The Surface generation four was released years ago, don't exaggerate. I think the name Surface belongs on the touchpads and it fits them very well. Mac has the Macbook series, ipad, iphone etc. I wouldn't be surprised if I missed the release of the new Microsoft Surface Phone(tm)[/QUOTE] The Surface tables really weren't all that popular and it's not like the average Joe is gonna recognize the brand. It's a great name.

[QUOTE=El Periodista;52177910]So... Being around general college students for the last four years, Windows S makes a lot more sense in that market than you'd think. If I had a dollar for every time someone in a group project complained about viruses on their laptop, I'd be able to buy a few good hamburgers. Our IT department offers free malware removal, but they've got a month-long backlog. There's always something wrong with everyone's laptop. This sort of "set it and forget it" approach to Windows for portable machines might actually work really well in the university space. This is a [B]fairly affordable college laptop[/B] with a build of Windows that's less likely to experience the same issues people are familiar with, and it does everything 90% of people need it to. I'm cautiously optimistic here. I think Windows 10 S has some utility to it. Whether people will go for it is another matter entirely.[/QUOTE] The price [U]starts[/U] at 1000$, how is that fairly affordable college anything ? It is a premium product, even the MS Surface department chief called it that (1:45) [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=115&v=gE-Z2AYlqQs"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=115&v=gE-Z2AYlqQs[/URL]. Also I said myself Windows 10 S is for inexperienced users, so I'm not sure why you think I don't think it doesn't make sense in that market ? I think we agree. My point was we need to see the both pictures of this reveal; Windows 10 S as a platform for inexperienced users and uses cases were you need more user control, and this laptop itself, which is just one premium example of hardware using this platform. People are already complaining why would they want limited Windows with a premium product, they don't see the whole picture. I'm not good with words, maybe this post doesn't make sense either :(

I don't understand how this would really work in a school. I'm doing part of my obligatory work experience at a local school, where I pretty much am the IT. There's no budget for servers or domains so everything runs on local accounts. I've had to completely uninstall the store due to the amount of garbage in it that kids can install without admin rights. Heck, they can even install chrome to appdata without admin rights. In what kind of scenario would this be better? Genuine question. I have like 2 months experience so I've seen nothing

[QUOTE=redBadger;52176635]Plain old Surface Laptop also announced [url]https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/microsoft-makes-a-regular-old-laptop-the-surface-laptop/[/url] [t]https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/surfacelap-6.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Would like to also point out that upgrading to Pro will be free until the end of the year.

I'm personally not too keen on this- on one hand, yes- it is indeed a simpler, more easy-to-use platform for those who are less technically literate and for education. That being said, I'm personally opposed to this concept of locking a device to UWP apps only out of 2 things: Firstly, any existing software suites that aren't web apps that institutions switching to Windows S will have to be redeveloped as UWP apps and put up in the MS app store. Secondly, from my own experiences as a young, technically-minded kid back in my high school days- schools (at least here in the US) already have very strict technology policies somewhat out of necessity, but in many cases to such extreme levels that students aren't really able to get much use out of school-provided laptops and desktops (I mean, my HS had crappy netbooks that felt like space heaters and ran out of charge in an hour flat). I just see this as another layer of control over students' tech use for school systems, which already will often contract companies like 'Lightspeed Systems' for content filtering and will setup strict firewall policies to keep students and even teachers from most websites and services that aren't 100% 'educational'. For context, after talking to some high schoolers I mentored my senior year who are getting ready to graduate soon, I was informed that the district I live in had locked them from access to any search engine but a locked-down version of Bing and had started restricting students from being able to use USB flash drives, and installed remote viewing software on all the school's machines. I understand and can appreciate the need to keep systems safe and secure, but I don't trust our educators to make the right call when needed.

[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;52176930] That mouse looks awful..[/QUOTE] I was going to agree on this but then I took a moment to look how I hold my mouse already and I mean it looks weird but your hand will be resting on it no differently.

[QUOTE=redBadger;52176635]Plain old Surface Laptop also announced [url]https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/microsoft-makes-a-regular-old-laptop-the-surface-laptop/[/url] [t]https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/surfacelap-6.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] so basically exactly the same thing just locked down to the windows shitstore.

[QUOTE=Medevila;52178637]those mice are great.. they are rigid but snap-fold back into a flat object so are super portable, have clicky buttons, and are more ergonomical than their alternative "wedge" mouse[/QUOTE] It also has an interesting mouse "wheel". It is touch sensitive and has haptic feedback. You can scroll up and down, and you can double click in the center for middle mouse click, or at the edges for page up and down. Not sure it this can be changed to other keys.

[QUOTE=Medevila;52178637]those mice are great.. they are rigid but snap-fold back into a flat object so are super portable, have clicky buttons, and are more ergonomical than their alternative "wedge" mouse [editline]2nd May 2017[/editline] This sounds like a terrible idea though; ex., mom and pop help freshman Billy pick out his first laptop, and they want a "good quality" laptop with Windows so it can do Windows things Billy needs to do, so they go with the Surface Laptop because expensive obviously means good, and hey, it's from Microsoft! Billy then goes to school and finds none of the programs he needs to run are available on the ~Windows Store~ (without buying an OS upgrade) and everyone hates Microsoft a little more[/QUOTE] This is exactly what happened with Surface RT

I bet you can 'hack' it to install Win32 apps, it's probably some lazy registry settings.

[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;52179514]I bet you can 'hack' it to install Win32 apps, it's probably some lazy registry settings.[/QUOTE] Possibly, but when it comes to features that require a license upgrade, Microsoft is surprisingly competent at locking them out. Hyper-V Server while free, is essentially a very stripped down version of Windows Server Core with the Hyper V role, so all you get is to manage it is a Powershell console or RSAT. Even Windows Explorer is entirely absent. And by that, they aren't present in the install at all, to save space. You can install Win32 applications, but a lot of the functionality is entirely missing (like the program runs, but buttons do nothing or crash). But 7-zip worked perfectly, so that might be a program that works on 10 S, just because it depends on so little in Windows itself.

[QUOTE=Demache;52179782]Possibly, but when it comes to features that require a license upgrade, Microsoft is surprisingly competent at locking them out. Hyper-V Server while free, is essentially a very stripped down version of Windows Server Core with the Hyper V role, so all you get is to manage it is a Powershell console or RSAT. Even Windows Explorer is entirely absent. And by that, they aren't present in the install at all, to save space. You can install Win32 applications, but a lot of the functionality is entirely missing (like the program runs, but buttons do nothing or crash). But 7-zip worked perfectly, so that might be a program that works on 10 S, just because it depends on so little in Windows itself.[/QUOTE] shit in that case I bet any multiplatform app would work.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;52178114]The price [U]starts[/U] at 1000$, how is that fairly affordable college anything ? It is a premium product, even the MS Surface department chief called it that (1:45) [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=115&v=gE-Z2AYlqQs"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=115&v=gE-Z2AYlqQs[/URL]. Also I said myself Windows 10 S is for inexperienced users, so I'm not sure why you think I don't think it doesn't make sense in that market ? I think we agree. My point was we need to see the both pictures of this reveal; Windows 10 S as a platform for inexperienced users and uses cases were you need more user control, and this laptop itself, which is just one premium example of hardware using this platform. People are already complaining why would they want limited Windows with a premium product, they don't see the whole picture. I'm not good with words, maybe this post doesn't make sense either :([/QUOTE] I'm not entirely sure how it is in Croatia, so you'll have to forgive me, but in the US a lot of college students take out massive student loans -- $40k+ over the course of their education. A $1000+ laptop is generally just accepted as part of what we pay for the degree over here. College is also something typically reserved for middle-class and above people here, so dropping this much or more on a laptop is pretty common. The Macbook Air was, by all regards, a premium product when it shipped, but it found a great portion of its buyers in the college market. The "college student at Starbucks with a Macbook" stereotype exists for a reason. Every lecture hall I've been in for the past four years has been a sea of glowing Apples and reflective Windows icons, and those are all $1000+ products.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;52178818]It also has an interesting mouse "wheel". It is touch sensitive and has haptic feedback. You can scroll up and down, and you can double click in the center for middle mouse click, or at the edges for page up and down. Not sure it this can be changed to other keys.[/QUOTE] You can't change the pg up/down binding, however you can change the middle click to a bunch of different actions and even set up app-specific macros.

[QUOTE=Medevila;52178637]those mice are great.. they are rigid but snap-fold back into a flat object so are super portable, have clicky buttons, and are more ergonomical than their alternative "wedge" mouse [editline]2nd May 2017[/editline] This sounds like a terrible idea though; ex., mom and pop help freshman Billy pick out his first laptop, and they want a "good quality" laptop with Windows so it can do Windows things Billy needs to do, so they go with the Surface Laptop because expensive obviously means good, and hey, it's from Microsoft! Billy then goes to school and finds none of the programs he needs to run are available on the ~Windows Store~ (without buying an OS upgrade) and everyone hates Microsoft a little more[/QUOTE] If you're a student, the OS upgrade is free.

[QUOTE=El Periodista;52180127]I'm not entirely sure how it is in Croatia, so you'll have to forgive me, but in the US a lot of college students take out massive student loans -- $40k+ over the course of their education. A $1000+ laptop is generally just accepted as part of what we pay for the degree over here. College is also something typically reserved for middle-class and above people here, so dropping this much or more on a laptop is pretty common. The Macbook Air was, by all regards, a premium product when it shipped, but it found a great portion of its buyers in the college market. The "college student at Starbucks with a Macbook" stereotype exists for a reason. Every lecture hall I've been in for the past four years has been a sea of glowing Apples and reflective Windows icons, and those are all $1000+ products.[/QUOTE] If I had to pay 40 000$ I would look how to save any dollar I can, but that's me. When I went to college one year was 1000-1500$(those are not private schools of course), but you didn't have to pay if you pass the exams in time. Not sure how it is now, I finished in 2013. Also you can probably guess that Toshiba, HP, Lenovo and other cheaper laptops were a much more common sight, at least at my college. People were more obsessed with expensive smartphones back then, laptops were not a very popular status symbol.

[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;52176930]Is this basically GoogleOS just Microsofts' version of it? [editline]2nd May 2017[/editline] That mouse looks awful..[/QUOTE] That's the Microsoft Arc Touch Mouse and it's amazing. Hear me out, I know it looks terrible but the form actually fits perfectly in my hand. The real trick is it snaps flat for storage, making it instantly the best laptop mouse I've ever used. It saves a ridiculous amount of thickness in your laptop bag. It tracks great on almost any surface and it's got this really cool haptic feedback scroll strip. It's not as good as a scroll wheel, but it's a great substitute to keep things flat. Honestly I wouldn't use any other mouse in a laptop situation unless I was gaming. Even then this mouse is adequate for basic low end laptop games.

God I hate th e trend of windows inching towards being a closed platform, i bet they'd lock out non store programs in 10 as soon as they feel confident about it pr wise

[QUOTE=zakedodead;52181117]God I hate th e trend of windows inching towards being a closed platform, i bet they'd lock out non store programs in 10 as soon as they feel confident about it pr wise[/QUOTE] How to destroy your market 101

[QUOTE=Propane Addict;52176729]Not for schools who have to do everything they can to prevent deviant 9 year olds from installing malware across the system. Not sure what everyone's problem is? This obviously isn't meant for you, it's meant for public schools and public use computers. Hell, it could even be good for home use for tech illiterate elderly. You can prevent your grandparents (or parents) from destroying their computers with viruses.[/QUOTE] Who is buying $2200 ultrabooks for public schools and the elderly?