[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;52175835]Depends if they greenlit it, once Valve commits to a project they usually devote actual time to shipping it.[/QUOTE]
Valve Time disproves this.
I dont know why people are saying he's leaving cause he wants to make games when Chet was the ambassador of VR at Valve, he showed he had great interest in VR and The Vive.
The threads probably gonna turn into how Valve doesn't make games anymore etc etc when really it's more about they don't make games you want. Loads of people still and continue to play Dota 2 and CSGO and it would be disastrous if Valve dropped everything they've done to work on a singleplayer game.
Will we get a new singleplayer game? probably, but don't expect them to drop everything they're doing overnight just to please a few individuals
[QUOTE=Sims_doc;52175784]Certainly a lot of developers leaving valve, Wonder why?[/QUOTE]
lotta them are getting to a point where they have well over enough to not have to work and no longer really want to
same thing happened at blizzard after legion came out, you saw a bunch of old devs leave because they were there 15-20 years
[QUOTE=Joshii;52176002]I dont know why people are saying he's leaving cause he wants to make games when Chet was the ambassador of VR at Valve, he showed he had great interest in VR and The Vive.
The threads probably gonna turn into how Valve doesn't make games anymore etc etc when really it's more about they don't make games you want. Loads of people still and continue to play Dota 2 and CSGO and it would be disastrous if Valve dropped everything they've done to work on a singleplayer game.
Will we get a new singleplayer game? probably, but don't expect them to drop everything they're doing overnight just to please a few individuals[/QUOTE]
Hardly a few individuals. You're talking several millions of people that are still sore over this kinda thing, including most of valve's core fanbase. Half life 2 has sold over 12 million copies. It's [I]the[/I] most infamous example of bad cliffhangers, development hell, and sequels we're never getting. And, fuck, forget Duke, with the recognition that half life has worldwide it's practically the gaming equivalent to Jesus' crucifixion.
What I do agree on though is that Half Life fans and Portal fans should fucking give up. And I say that as a Half Life fan since I was a little kid. As infuriating as it might be, sometimes a company or an artist just decides they want a different demographic and they just toss you to the side. I think Valve has tossed us to the side, we're no longer their target demographic, and they don't care about Half Life anymore. Maybe not even Portal. It's pretty obvious that they've been gradually changing focus to multiplayer based titles, and more importantly multiplayer based titles that make money through virtual items constantly, over the past 10 years. And you can go fuck yourself if you don't like it. Which will produce a lot of money, not a whole lot of games with artistic merit. So, fine, I'll bail.
Maybe we'll get a Half Life 3, or a Portal 3 one day. Maybe Adrian Shepard will rise again. Maybe we'll finally find out just what the fuck happened to Barney and get an answer as to who the G-Man is. But so much time will have passed we'll have literally been waiting as long or [I]longer[/I] than the timespan between the black mesa incident and the beginnings of half life 2 20 years later.
So, stop waiting. Give Valve the finger, recognize they ain't the same company they used to be, and don't pay the inevitable rumors that people insist are real ~this time~ any mind. Enjoy Half Life for what it is, file it away in your mind as if putting it in stasis, and move on to other franchises, ones that [I]haven't[/I] been abandoned by their creators.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52175929]Optimistic post:
when Valve releases CSGO on the Source 2 engine this summer, this'll kickstart a new wave of game releases on the same engine.[/QUOTE]
Where did you get about Source 2 being this summer?
When it comes to Half Life all I want is the ending to the story. Online comic book or a short animation video on Youtube would be more than enough. As much as I love their games Valve is really nothing special, there are more than enough capable developers with great games for everyone these days.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52175970]Working in a game company that's in the same case, I can tell you it's definitely a money issue first. If your company is absolutely rolling in money bags like Valve, people feel that their talent won't matter that much since the company is already successful. Thus eventually it's about the workers' esteem, I think. They'll think hard work is not needed or rewarded if the company gets 90% of its revenues from something else.[/QUOTE]
But it seems everyone gets paid well and treated well at Valve as long as you listen to Gabe and don't get in trouble with him. Seems kinda odd that it would be a money issue with a company that does not have a money issue.
I agree with your second point when a company does not actually need your labor to function, I mean Valve barely is a functional company. It's just a lot of lopsided projects, passion projects like their esports scene (which I am super thankful for, but it's also more a marketing deal for their games too) and half finished projects for different ideas that get stuck in development hell due to lack of interest. Then there's TF2, CSGO, DoTA2 which has to get updates as well at some point.
The only thing that I can pinpoint Valve having a core interest in recently is VR and many potential oldtimers got blindsided and bored out of their mind that every project ended up being related to VR and not what they were known for doing, y'know story based video games without VR goggles.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;52176080]When it comes to Half Life all I want is the ending to the story. Online comic book or a short animation video on Youtube would be more than enough. As much as I liked their games Valve is really nothing special, there are more than enough capable developers with great games for everyone these days.[/QUOTE]
Well the half life movie is supposed to be a thing in JJ Abrams' closet or whatever. Probably stuck in dev hell though.
I like to imagine an alternate Half Life universe where the combine don't exist. So, Gordon and Adrian get shuffled away, Barney either ends up fine or goes off to live the rest of his life in hiding from the US Government, the world is saved, and that's about it. A bittersweet ending but it's more of a conclusion than what you'll get with the HL2 arc. Alternatively you could view the alternate ending to Freeman's Mind as the canon ending. I mean, why not, it's a story that's never going to be finished otherwise. And Ross Scott is a more prolific creator in the Half Life universe than Valve is.
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;52176074]Where did you get about Source 2 being this summer?[/QUOTE]
There was a Valve employee at the Chinese launch announcement event for CSGO. A powerpoint slide shows CSGO will be on the upcoming Source 2 "later this summer".
Source:
[URL="https://www.pcgamesn.com/counter-strike-global-offensive/csgo-next-operation-source-2-ai-cheat-detection"]https://www.pcgamesn.com/counter-strike-global-offensive/csgo-next-operation-source-2-ai-cheat-detection[/URL]
[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;52175829]How long has a certain "full fledged single player game" been "in development" for now?[/QUOTE]
about 4 years. they are making a spinoff vr title of that certain game right now.
I'm always amused when people leave gaming companies. You always get crazy speculation like "IT MUST BE BECAUSE OF THE DLC!" or "IT MUST BE BECAUSE OF HALF-LIFE (or other franchise)!" or "THERE MUST BE DRAMA BEHIND THE SCENES!" or other reactionary nonsense from people with absolutely no insight into the situation. I don't know, maybe he got an offer to work somewhere else he was interested in, maybe he wants to start a company, maybe he just wants a change. There's any number of perfectly benign and reasonable possibilities, making speculation moot here.
And all this about Valve being dead? In your dreams. It's like claiming Nintendo is dead: They'd need to do nothing but burn money for decades to come close to that point. I want Half-Life 3 too but I don't see why I should get upset about it or how it relates to an employee leaving or how it's a harbinger of the end of Valve.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;52176127]I'm always amused when people leave gaming companies. You always get crazy speculation like "IT MUST BE BECAUSE OF THE DLC!" or "IT MUST BE BECAUSE OF HALF-LIFE (or other franchise)!" or "THERE MUST BE DRAMA BEHIND THE SCENES!" or other reactionary nonsense from people with absolutely no insight into the situation. I don't know, maybe he got an offer to work somewhere else he was interested in, maybe he wants to start a company, maybe he just wants a change. There's any number of perfectly benign and reasonable possibilities, making speculation moot here.
And all this about Valve being dead? In your dreams. It's like claiming Nintendo is dead: They'd need to do nothing but burn money for decades to come close to that point. I want Half-Life 3 too but I don't see why I should get upset about it or how it relates to an employee leaving or how it's a harbinger of the end of Valve.[/QUOTE]
Considering all the controversy with Steam and all the other negative press Valve has received, it's not surprising people are rather pessimistic about the company. A lot of good people have left the company and as time passes by, the idea of Valve becoming greedier has become more apparent with many of the rather questionable things Valve has done recently, especially involving the market stuff, etc. I don't want to believe the company is long gone at this point, but honestly, this can happen to any company, even CDPR (I fucking love you guys tho) if they're not careful and let the money get to their head.
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[QUOTE=CruelAddict;52176074]Where did you get about Source 2 being this summer?[/QUOTE]
The Chinese conference Valve did last week or so to introduce CSGO in China.
I didn't make it up.
[IMG]http://i2.wp.com/www.geeksultd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/N0B49qW.jpg?resize=1024%2C575[/IMG]
(It says it's coming this summer)
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52176155]The Chinese conference Valve did last week or so to introduce CSGO in China.
I didn't make it up.
[IMG]http://i2.wp.com/www.geeksultd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/N0B49qW.jpg?resize=1024%2C575[/IMG]
(It says it's coming this summer)[/QUOTE]
Isn't Dota 2 running on Source 2 since 2015 ? This just sounds like a similar update for CSGO nothing more.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;52176160]Isn't Dota 2 running on Source 2 since 2015 ? This just sounds like a similar update for CSGO nothing more.[/QUOTE]
It won't be similar because Dota 2 doesn't make use of the graphical improvements Source 2 can have. CSGO will definitely show what it's capable of, since it's the most graphically-advanced game using Source 1.
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;52176148]Considering all the controversy with Steam and all the other negative press Valve has received, it's not surprising people are rather pessimistic about the company. A lot of good people have left the company and as time passes by, the idea of Valve becoming greedier has become more apparent with many of the rather questionable things Valve has done recently, especially involving the market stuff, etc. I don't want to believe the company is long gone at this point, but honestly, this can happen to any company, even CDPR (I fucking love you guys tho) if they're not careful and let the money get to their head.[/QUOTE]
Please list these questionable things and why they are questionable, because the way I see it most of this attitude stems from the routine knee jerk reactions people have whenever Valve is in news (see: this thread) and not actual consideration of the things that are happening and how they relate to sentiment expressed by Valve in the past.
Community made skins, maps and mods, for example. People bring up how Valve are lazy and exploiting the hard work of the community, when years before they even implemented the practice they talked about how they wanted to do it down the line. This was the "Golden era Valve" that people gush so much about.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52176164]It won't be similar because Dota 2 doesn't make use of the graphical improvements Source 2 can have. CSGO will definitely show what it's capable of, since it's the most graphically-advanced game using Source 1.[/QUOTE]
True, but both games are meant to be run on a potato to reach a wider audience. Do you think it will be some kind of remaster ? The performance might be improved and some minor tweaks here and there, but I doubt anything significant that would amaze the gaming world.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;52176181]True, but both games are meant to be run on a potato to reach a wider audience. Do you think it will be some kind of remaster ? The performance might be improved and some minor tweaks here and there, but I doubt anything significant that would amaze the gaming world.[/QUOTE]
No it won't be breath-taking, it's mostly meant to:
1) Have the game running on a newer engine branch for more ease to develop;
2) Showcase Source 2 to the community properly this time.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52176155]The Chinese conference Valve did last week or so to introduce CSGO in China.
I didn't make it up.
[IMG]http://i2.wp.com/www.geeksultd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/N0B49qW.jpg?resize=1024%2C575[/IMG]
(It says it's coming this summer)[/QUOTE]
Unless we hear it from Valve themselves, I'm going to doubt that. Chances are something was misunderstood, exaggerated, or otherwise lost in translation. We know that CS:GO is getting the Panoramic UI which was made for Source 2, so I suspsect at some point in the telephone game it turned into Source 2 with Panoramic UI.
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1549175&p=52093541&viewfull=1#post52093541[/url]
Valve, are you okay?
[QUOTE=Toothpick;52175803]valve is dead
just left us high and dry after that cliff hanger. biggest fuck you in gaming history[/QUOTE]
I will never forgive
I will never forget
[QUOTE=Blade Rx69;52176197]Unless we hear it from Valve themselves, I'm going to doubt that. Chances are something was misunderstood, exaggerated, or otherwise lost in translation. We know that CS:GO is getting the Panoramic UI which was made for Source 2, so I suspsect at some point in the telephone game it turned into Source 2 with Panoramic UI.
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1549175&p=52093541&viewfull=1#post52093541[/url][/QUOTE]
But isn't that guy supposed to be a Valve representative? They wouldn't hype up Source 2 CSGO if it meant practically nothing, right? I mean, this news were reported all around but very few people seem to believe what you're saying.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;52176127]I'm always amused when people leave gaming companies. You always get crazy speculation like "IT MUST BE BECAUSE OF THE DLC!" or "IT MUST BE BECAUSE OF HALF-LIFE (or other franchise)!" or "THERE MUST BE DRAMA BEHIND THE SCENES!" or other reactionary nonsense from people with absolutely no insight into the situation. I don't know, maybe he got an offer to work somewhere else he was interested in, maybe he wants to start a company, maybe he just wants a change. There's any number of perfectly benign and reasonable possibilities, making speculation moot here.[/QUOTE]
Creative minds leaving companies because they're not doing anything creative happens all the time, usually you see it when indie developers hit it big and someone who was previously working a programming job finds himself in an executive position. It's not hard to imagine that a guy whose primary job is writing stories like Portal/Left 4 Dead left a company because they're not writing stories.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52176229]But isn't that guy supposed to be a Valve representative? They wouldn't hype up Source 2 CSGO if it meant practically nothing, right? I mean, this news were reported all around but very few people seem to believe what you're saying.[/QUOTE]
I haven't seen any proof he works for Valve, so it's likely he works for Perfect World. They're the ones publishing, promoting, and managing the Chinese specific CS:GO in accordance with Chinese law.
It'd be easier for me to believe had we not already been told about Panorama UI, which we know is from Source 2 and sounds exactly like the thing that'd get lost in translation.
[quote=/u/ido_valve]As far as a roadmap is concerned, our priorities for 2017 are to replace the UI with Panorama, to make CS:GO available in more territories where a lot of Counter-Strike fans don't have easy access to it (like China), and anti-cheat. Of course, we're also planning on continuing to ship bug fixes and new features throughout the year, as in the past.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52176155]The Chinese conference Valve did last week or so to introduce CSGO in China.
I didn't make it up.
[IMG]http://i2.wp.com/www.geeksultd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/N0B49qW.jpg?resize=1024%2C575[/IMG]
(It says it's coming this summer)[/QUOTE]
The OPERATION is coming this summer, not Source 2.
Common optimistic misconception.
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;52176269]The OPERATION is coming this summer, not Source 2.
Common optimistic misconception.[/QUOTE]
We can't be sure about that. The way it's phrased, it could very well be coming this summer.
Common pessimistic misconception.
NOOOO, who's going to delay the implementation of L4D community content into the game now???
ruined it!
What advantages would Source 2 even have for CS: GO?
Although a Panorama UI would be dope for CS:GO if we could have something similar to the DOTA2 loading stuff
Between Chet, Erik, Marc, and Moby having now left Valve, no one here mentioned that Kelly Bailey also left Valve a while ago. :cry:
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