[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;53108437]I'm not on either side of the argument, but I want to point out Doom had Denuvo removed as soon as it was cracked, and that's when it started to get a shitload of sales.[/QUOTE]
Can you provide a link proving this claim? Because I literally cannot find any sales history charts from before the start of this year for the Steam version, and there was no noticeable spike in reviews or concurrent players around the removal of the DRM solution.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;53108475]Can you provide a link proving this claim? Because I literally cannot find any sales history charts from before the start of this year for the Steam version, and there was no noticeable spike in reviews or concurrent players around the removal of the DRM solution.[/QUOTE]
Steamspy only shows information from the past two weeks, so I can't get the data I had for this, sound fishy and shit I know but it's also likely attributed to sales and that it's discounted now.
But you can follow [URL="https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/88633-doom-2016-sales/"]this thread[/URL] to see people reacting to the fact that the PC version had significantly fewer sales.
<500k sales in the first month, compared to the 2,600,000+ now.
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[URL="http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/42505/USA/"]This one shows the total sales for week one.[/URL]
[t]https://i.imgur.com/yEPssJT.png[/t]
These numbers are [B]significantly[/B] lower than the console sales.
[url=http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/42722/Global/]This is that same site[/url] but the week following denuvo being removed, PC version doesn't make it into the chart because they don't let you filter, just thought I'd add it for posterity.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;53108674]Steamspy only shows information from the past two weeks, so I can't get the data I had for this, sound fishy and shit I know but it's also likely attributed to sales and that it's discounted now.
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[t]https://tenryuu.blob.core.windows.net/astrid/2018/02/18-02-05_17-28-45.png[/t]
[url]https://steamdb.info/app/379720/graphs/[/url]
marked date is the date that the update came out
next spike is christmas sales, but it's also steamspy so take it with a margin of error
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;53107819]This is the result, but that's kind of tinfoil-ey to say that that's the primary purpose.[/QUOTE]
...trying to make digital files uncopyable is like trying to make water not wet, so yes that is in fact it's primary purpose, here's a quote from the very people that pushed for DRM:
[t]https://i.imgur.com/LNAfXRX.png[/t]
So yes, DRM exists to "guide" how you use content you paid for even if law allows you (for example, DRM can limit your ability to use a movie you paid for fair use purposes).
That quote doesn't support what you said at all. It says the point is to keep honest users honest by making it such that piracy is not immediately available to a casual user, not to stop all piracy forever. It's not saying the purpose is to restrict what people who have legitimately bought the software can do.
[QUOTE=redBadger;53107537]And you know what? I'm happy I made the purchase. It was a great game and I'm glad I supported a team who put a ton of hard work into their product.[/QUOTE]
Ubisoft Montreal is the group behind all of Ubisoft's big games from Far Cry to Assassin's Creed to Watch_Dogs to For Honor to R6 Siege, it's not like they're some EA-owned studio on the cusp of getting canned if their game doesn't sell well. They'll be fine without the support of everyone basing their purchase on the DRM.
I've supported them for a [I]hefty[/I] majority of the games they've developed since 2002, through both their highs and lows. A pass on one incredibly good-looking game ruined by either poor optimization or publisher meddling is nothing. If I can't play it my way*, I'm not going to pretend my purchase matters and throw a pity $60 to them.
*YouTube/Twitch/Hulu/Netflix/etc. open in monitor 2 because big, open RPGs tend to have a lot of deadtime. I know Twitch already runs pretty shitty by default, and I don't even want to try with 100% CPU usage.
[QUOTE=catbarf;53110037]That quote doesn't support what you said at all. It says the point is to keep honest users honest by making it such that piracy is not immediately available to a casual user, not to stop all piracy forever. It's not saying the purpose is to restrict what people who have legitimately bought the software can do.[/QUOTE]
He talks about guidelines of use, which is a camouflaged term for controlling how you use your stuff even if it's legal, he first says DRM isn't made to avoid piracy, he talks as if a company could somehow limit law given rights on the content you bought.
Genuinely curious, other than a few little bits of information, is there any kind of tests that show Denuvo having a significant performance impact, and I mean beyond one guy in his basement with a single setup and game to go off.
[QUOTE=MadBomber;53118151]Genuinely curious, other than a few little bits of information, is there any kind of tests that show Denuvo having a significant performance impact, and I mean beyond one guy in his basement with a single setup and game to go off.[/QUOTE]
All I saw were screenshots from one guy showing Denuvo and VMProtect making calls every second that your character was moving in Origins. I could see that affecting performance because of what VMProtect is, on CPUs without hyperthreading, and probably some with
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;53108674][URL="http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/42505/USA/"]This one shows the total sales for week one.[/URL]
[t]https://i.imgur.com/yEPssJT.png[/t]
These numbers are [B]significantly[/B] lower than the console sales.
[url=http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/42722/Global/]This is that same site[/url] but the week following denuvo being removed, PC version doesn't make it into the chart because they don't let you filter, just thought I'd add it for posterity.[/QUOTE]
vgchartz is [url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160711022102/http://www.examiner.com/article/why-vgchartz-isn-t-considered-reliable]historically[/url] [url=https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/109870/Analysis_What_VGChartz_Does_And_Doesnt_Do_For_The_Game_Biz.php]unreliable[/url].
[QUOTE=MadBomber;53118151]Genuinely curious, other than a few little bits of information, is there any kind of tests that show Denuvo having a significant performance impact, and I mean beyond one guy in his basement with a single setup and game to go off.[/QUOTE]
It honestly seem like a lot of people are spreading that sort of stuff with the intent of falsely discrediting the software.
I haven't yet seen any concrete proof.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;53105796]I think Chaos Theory and Starforce still hold the record for length of time before a crack, doesn't it? Something like a year. Starforce was some bad shit for a lot of people, though. From not launching games because you had 2 disc drives, to spinning your drive to full RPM and staying there, not even slowing and stopping before ejecting the disc so you get a fuckin frisbee thrown at your face, ruining both the disc and the optical drive, which actually happened to me[/QUOTE]
Hawx 2?
[QUOTE=TheTalon;53105796]I think Chaos Theory and Starforce still hold the record for length of time before a crack, doesn't it? Something like a year. Starforce was some bad shit for a lot of people, though. From not launching games because you had 2 disc drives, to spinning your drive to full RPM and staying there, not even slowing and stopping before ejecting the disc so you get a fuckin frisbee thrown at your face, ruining both the disc and the optical drive, which actually happened to me[/QUOTE]
iirc, Starforce fucked the game so hard that the original boxed version of the game simply does not work on modern hardware, because Starforce itself doesn't work on anything past Windows XP.
Nowadays, the only boxed versions which work are the patched re-releases which don't have Starforce anymore, but have considerably uglier cases, notably shit like this:
[t]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0233/6235/products/2008536-0-tom_clancys_splinter_cell__chaos_theory_french_version_only-pc_f_large.jpg?v=1420783139[/t]
I remember buying this version and putting the CD in the original case which I also still had, meaning I have a boxed copy of Chaos Theory with two different serial codes inside.
It was absolutely fucked and also a cautionary tale of how invasive DRM can and will fuck up long term legacy support for games. The issue was eventually abated when the game saw wider digital release but for a few years getting this game to run without resorting to piracy was a cocksucker.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53128117]iirc, Starforce fucked the game so hard that the original boxed version of the game simply does not work on modern hardware, because Starforce itself doesn't work on anything past Windows XP.
Nowadays, the only boxed versions which work are the patched re-releases which don't have Starforce anymore, but have considerably uglier cases, notably shit like this:
[url]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0233/6235/products/2008536-0-tom_clancys_splinter_cell__chaos_theory_french_version_only-pc_f_large.jpg?v=1420783139[/url]
I remember buying this version and putting the CD in the original case which I also still had, meaning I have a boxed copy of Chaos Theory with two different serial codes inside.
It was absolutely fucked and also a cautionary tale of how invasive DRM can and will fuck up long term legacy support for games. The issue was eventually abated when the game saw wider digital release but for a few years getting this game to run without resorting to piracy was a cocksucker.[/QUOTE]Mechcommander 2 is similarly fucked cos the copy protection is 16-bit.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53128117]iirc, Starforce fucked the game so hard that the original boxed version of the game simply does not work on modern hardware, because Starforce itself doesn't work on anything past Windows XP.
Nowadays, the only boxed versions which work are the patched re-releases which don't have Starforce anymore, but have considerably uglier cases, notably shit like this:
[t]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0233/6235/products/2008536-0-tom_clancys_splinter_cell__chaos_theory_french_version_only-pc_f_large.jpg?v=1420783139[/t]
I remember buying this version and putting the CD in the original case which I also still had, meaning I have a boxed copy of Chaos Theory with two different serial codes inside.
It was absolutely fucked and also a cautionary tale of how invasive DRM can and will fuck up long term legacy support for games. The issue was eventually abated when the game saw wider digital release but for a few years getting this game to run without resorting to piracy was a cocksucker.[/QUOTE]
I still have my original copy and box, Can't play it though. Such a shame because it's the best in the series IMO
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