• Porn star August Ames dies after backlash to controversial tweet
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[QUOTE=damnatus;52954263]Before the injections though Not that I would know[/QUOTE] To each his own, and all that. She didn't go overboard with them at least.
Gay community members sometimes come across as incredibly toxic and obnoxious fuckwads to anyone who even remotely MAY imply something homophobic. Fucking hell, those replies by Capra and Wheeler are infuriating. [editline]7th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52953246]I mean online harassment can be incredibly brutal, and if someone is in the adult film industry it is probably stupid difficult to find work afterwords, and if you are blacklisted it can lose you tons of cash for sure. However her initial tweet+her reaction to the negativity was overblown and I feel there were other underlying issues rather than this fairly shallow article that feels like its trying to make a narrative out of something without all of the information[/QUOTE] There was information I have stumbled across that gay performers dont get tested as intensely as hetero due to them almost always using condoms. Which is why she possibly got afraid of doing a shoot. Idk.
It's a bit concerning when we live in a world where someone can commit suicide and just be shrugged off and ignored by others just because they were homophobic.
[QUOTE=Killajax;52954541]It's a bit concerning when we live in a world where someone can commit suicide and just be shrugged off and ignored by others just because they were homophobic.[/QUOTE] She may not have even been homophobic necessarily, but [i]even if she was[/i], why does that suddenly define her entire character? Twitter is a petri dish for shit like this, where misconstrued ideas can spread and wind up destroying someone's life unbelievably quickly. It's one reason why I stopped posting to social media, and usually even forums like FP, years ago. Very relevant TED talk: [video=youtube;wAIP6fI0NAI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAIP6fI0NAI[/video]
Twitter is such a terribly toxic platform for people to interact on. I don't know whether it's the short format leading to people having to shrink complicated thoughts and feelings or how bloated it is with propaganda bots for every niche, but it is a sickening stew that generates far too much anxiety from its addictive design.
Whether the shit she said was bad or not is pretty much a moot point now. It seems in really poor taste to say "it's sad that she killed herself, but she DID say some nasty things". That said, I doubt the backlash was the ONLY cause of her suicide. It was most certainly the straw that broke the camel's back, but there was probably a lot more going on in her life that we didn't know about. And before people start assuming shit, I'm not saying it because she's a porn star (since, y'know, porn stars are normal human beings, too), I'm saying it because I suffer from and know people who suffer from depression, and I know how hard it can be to be open about it. Especially to an online platform known to be a breeding ground for toxicity like Twitter.
[QUOTE=Killajax;52954541]It's a bit concerning when we live in a world where someone can commit suicide and just be shrugged off and ignored by others just because they were homophobic.[/QUOTE] That's what happens when a mob mentality + self-righteous jerks pulling every possible context, down to the worst possible meaning, out of a few words. I wouldn't say that people like that Jaxton Wheeler fuckhead are very common, it just happens to be one of the worst examples of unchecked sociopathy coming out at the worst possible time. Honestly twitter is just really shit
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52954946]That's what happens when a mob mentality + self-righteous jerks pulling every possible context, down to the worst possible meaning, out of a few words. I wouldn't say that people like that Jaxton Wheeler fuckhead are very common, it just happens to be one of the worst examples of unchecked sociopathy coming out at the worst possible time. Honestly twitter is just really shit[/QUOTE] I've seen this mob mentality with self-righteous jerks happening in Both Tumblr and Twitter, now its usually Called Callout culture, where someone usually makes a list (99% of the time without proof or outright lying) pointing out why this person is a hateful mosnter, and why we should get rid of him/her. It always ends up in death threats being sent to this person, usually getting really out of control, like it happened in some few cases before or this one. The worst fucking part, and what pisses me off the most, Is that these jerkasses sending these hateful messages which ironically are way fucking worse than the person they are attacking, they give themselves reasons to do these attacks, like here because what the girl said. Whether what she said was Homophobic or not, how the people reacted to her was just vile and Jaxton Wheeler can sure eat a big bag of shit. If someone says "Death threats are bad but..." they can go fuck themselves, Death threats are always bad PERIOD, no fucking excuses.
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52954946]That's what happens when a mob mentality + self-righteous jerks pulling every possible context, down to the worst possible meaning, out of a few words. I wouldn't say that people like that Jaxton Wheeler fuckhead are very common, it just happens to be one of the worst examples of unchecked sociopathy coming out at the worst possible time. Honestly twitter is just really shit[/QUOTE] Hell, look at the first few posts in this thread. People who didn't do the slightest amount of research into what she said else they'd realise [b]she had a valid health reason to turn down that scene[/b].
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;52953637]some context: gay pornstars operate under different rules than straight porn. they don't need to be tested for hiv and the only protection is condoms.[/QUOTE] What the fuck? I thought you were joking.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;52953637]some context: gay pornstars operate under different rules than straight porn. they don't need to be tested for hiv and the only protection is condoms.[/QUOTE] They have to be tested to participate in straight porn.
[QUOTE=Talvy;52955409]They have to be tested to participate in straight porn.[/QUOTE] scroll down 2 posts and maybe finish reading.
Gay porn actors are only mandated to wear condoms. If they want to do work on both sides, they have to submit to the same testing as straight actors. [QUOTE=SataniX;52955334]Hell, look at the first few posts in this thread. People who didn't do the slightest amount of research into what she said else they'd realise [b]she had a valid health reason to turn down that scene[/b].[/QUOTE] It's fine to have a health reason for not wanting to do the scene, but her reasoning is kind of questionable when a video of her performing with a crossover actor was released just earlier this year. I'm not defending the vehement attacks on her but I'm not understanding her logic of not wanting to have sex with a crossover actor, despite having done so mere months ago
This makes me wonder how many dead porno actresses I've wanked it to without realizing it. Never thought of it before, but the thought of watching a porno and knowing that person might have later died creeps me out. It feels disrespectful, like I shouldn't see this person get porked because now they're probably in a grave somewhere. Their videos are all that's left, primal emotion and raw passion their gift to the world. Never thought I'd think about legacy and death from porno actresses.
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52955461]Gay porn actors are only mandated to wear condoms. If they want to do work on both sides, they have to submit to the same testing as straight actors. It's fine to have a health reason for not wanting to do the scene, but her reasoning is kind of questionable when a video of her performing with a crossover actor was released just earlier this year. I'm not defending the vehement attacks on her but I'm not understanding her logic of not wanting to have sex with a crossover actor, despite having done so mere months ago[/QUOTE] because believe it or not, the person she did a scene with months ago could have been tested weeks ahead of time and did nothing since, and then got retested again after several weeks of waiting to make sure it wasn't a false-negative. meanwhile this shoot could have had somebody completely new that only did the bare minimum. you don't have the context but you're quick to point something out that has no bearing on the current matter.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;52955444]scroll down 2 posts and maybe finish reading.[/QUOTE] Maybe edit your first post, since it's irrelevant by itself.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;52955500]because believe it or not, the person she did a scene with months ago could have been tested weeks ahead of time and did nothing since, and then got retested again after several weeks of waiting to make sure it wasn't a false-negative. meanwhile this shoot could have had somebody completely new that only did the bare minimum. you don't have the context but you're quick to point something out that has no bearing on the current matter.[/QUOTE] You don't have any more context than I do either, both actors could have had the exact same standing. Her own reasoning for not wanting to interact with the actor she was meeting was because she couldn't know what he did in his private life, so even if his test was clean she couldn't have trusted him. That line of logic should technically apply to both actors. I wasn't trying to draw any conclusion, merely wondering out loud. It's also not out of the question that she might have discovered that the testing process wasn't as thorough as she thought it was for crossovers and decided to stop risking it
This 6 weeks stat discussion is odd since it implies the testing process doesn't know that, implies that she knew that statistic, and that she had used it in her defense. Also has a lot of "what ifs" such as the person she did with previously had waited 6 weeks. As if that matters when what she was presented with was waived by "don't know what [i]they[/i] do in their private lives!" Her reasoning was given in her controversial complaints. Can't trust them queers and their private lives is a bit different than "has it even been 6 weeks??" So much for "research" and "getting the context" [editline]7th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=BeardyDuck;52953637]some context: gay pornstars operate under different rules than straight porn. they don't need to be tested for hiv and the only protection is condoms.[/QUOTE] You got a source for any of these other claims because your credibility on this subject in my eyes has fallen to a point I have to question stuff you said earlier
I don't think anyone was complaining about her refusal, only her insensitive generalizations. She never criticized STD tests, she just didn't trust the other actor/performer; but this was after she pinpointed that he does gay porn. It heavily implies that she just didn't trust gay performers to be honest or professional.
So did they figure out how she died? Because it really is kind of weird she decided to do this after two days and over something that was an actual professional choice.
[QUOTE=grob;52955959]So did they figure out how she died? Because it really is kind of weird she decided to do this after two days and over something that was an actual professional choice.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Ames was found dead in California by suicide by hanging, according to the Ventura County Medical Examiner's Office. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.newsweek.com/kevin-moore-august-ames-husband-741513[/url] also she was continuously receiving harassment over the course of 2 days, it's not like everyone was just angry at her for 5 minutes then stopped
[QUOTE=Talvy;52955785]I don't think anyone was complaining about her refusal, only her insensitive generalizations.[/QUOTE] kinda feel ike [quote]“world is awaiting your apology or for you to swallow a cyanide pill”[/quote] is just a teensy bit insensitive
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52955983][url]http://www.newsweek.com/kevin-moore-august-ames-husband-741513[/url] also she was continuously receiving harassment over the course of 2 days, it's not like everyone was just angry at her for 5 minutes then stopped[/QUOTE] wow, that's hardcore... she really didn't need to do that. she was only 23 too poor girl
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52955996]kinda feel ike [QUOTE]“world is awaiting your apology or for you to swallow a cyanide pill”[/QUOTE] is just a teensy bit insensitive[/QUOTE] Which is why people are upset with him as well.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;52953637]some context: gay pornstars operate under different rules than straight porn. they don't need to be tested for hiv and the only protection is condoms.[/QUOTE] Proof? I can't find anything like this
Those who knew her say she suffered from depression too, so this was the final nail in the coffin.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52955996]kinda feel ike is just a teensy bit insensitive[/QUOTE] You'd be hard pressed to find someone that thinks Jaxton's actions are justifiable
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;52956288]Proof? I can't find anything like this[/QUOTE] yeah this doesn't make sense to me either, sounds like misinformation. the gay stars tweeting back to her seemed to confirm their testing is always equal to straight stars. because of course it is?
[QUOTE=Talvy;52956395]Those who knew her say she suffered from depression too, so this was the final nail in the coffin.[/QUOTE] It's not uncommon for pornstars to be incredibly depressed and, in general, insecure. The industry is fucked up in a lot of ways - lots of abuse, addiction, and shady shit. Can we all sit here and honestly believe that a 20-something year old girl getting gang-banged by middle aged men, choked and stuffed in all kinds of weird-ass ways, is genuinely enjoying herself? I'm sure SOME do, but god damn, I can't imagine that even the vast majority are genuinely having a good time, and go home at the end of the day with a smile and think about the experience they just went through in a positive light.
[QUOTE=aydin690;52953879]Normal people don't commit suicide after just a single day of angry twitter messages. Also, how often do people tell each other to kill themselves online? How often do people tell others to kill themselves in video games?[/QUOTE] It's a bit different having someone who knows exactly who you are tell you something like that compared to being completely anonymous and having some random 15 year old yell "hang urself faget" in CSGO
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