Justice League Could Lose A Buttload Of Money For Warner Bros - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Swiket;52922843][t]https://i.imgur.com/A746hPQ.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] this is horrible justice league will go nowhere, the property is basically too big to fall, batman and superman have survived plenty of awful movies and MCU will continue to show that these kinds team up and interconnected movies are money printers if they're entertaining the only thing they're supporting is a god awful film and trying to delay a possible reboot to make them actually good

[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52923067]it had a beginning, middle, and an end. It also wasn't split into two productions and multiple reshoots due to Zack Snyder's incompetency, so that probably did a lot to make it feel like a movie with a vision[/QUOTE] It also broadly told an interesting story that let the heroes be heroes doing heroic things. One of my favorite parts in Justice League was [sp]at the very beginning when the guy is robbing the place and exits on the rooftop in Gotham and we get a shot of Batman watching him. Batman then swoops in and stops his robbery like fucking Batman does. It then promptly goes to shit because Batman damn near gets the guy killed so he can then get in to a horrible CGI fight with a badly rendered locust monster. Then Batman just fucks around gossiping with Alfred while the criminal he just nearly dropped from a rooftop hops around in the background listening to Batman reveal his secret identity, having calmly accepted that he is tied up when he could easily escape.[/sp] Its so fucking frustrating because it starts really great with some awesome scenery and shows strong Batman style, only to go to complete shit.

I have the odd impression Aquaman will be good. Directors apparently good, has a neat idea, screenshots look good, no behind the scenes stories or fuckery like any of the other movies that werent Wonder Woman.

[QUOTE=maddogsamurai;52922924]Let Wonder Woman 2 happen before that. Wonder Woman was a shock and we'd be rightly pissed if the one good DC movie DIDN'T get a sequel.[/QUOTE] do you want a wonder woman movie that doesn't have chris pine in it? [editline]26th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Ignhelper;52923004]But what was it that wonderwoman did so well over the rest?[/QUOTE] cohesive story. act 1) wonder woman origin, act 2) good guy and bad guys are clearly established, act 3) exploration and clear goal and stakes established act 4) get to the trenches, act 5) some ww1 type badassery act 6) setup for good guy bad guy showdown, firmly establish stakes, act 7) showdown and heroic moments and whatnot. it was coherant, things flowed, and the main characters were all compident in what they do, the soldiers were soldiers, wonder woman was wonder woman, and the bad guys were good at being evil. the ending has been said to be a letdown and thats fair, you're given hints that the bad guys are just lackies but you never are given any impression of the real bad guy or his motives until he plainly states them which is never usually good story telling, but the ending doesn't really require that since the battle is the real focus and they win even though ww1 still rages on. the problem with films from DC is really that they do not have good writing, and the way marvel and dc do their writing is complete opposites, with WB just soliciting scripts and moulding them, and marvel actually having writers from multiple movies cooperating and helping each other out. marvel also gives their scripts a lot of time to mature and they rarely retcon or outright contradict previous material unless they absolutely have to. WB keeps flailing about but its all in the scripts

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52923278]I have the odd impression Aquaman will be good. Directors apparently good, has a neat idea, screenshots look good, no behind the scenes stories or fuckery like any of the other movies that werent Wonder Woman.[/QUOTE] Aquaman just doing his thing looked so unbelievably derpy.

Believe it or not, Marvel isn't an unstoppable giant in the world of cinema. They found a formula that works and have been following it for about 10 years now, well I'm bored of it. Their cookie cutter approach to story has created a lot of easily noticeable pattern and frankly, marvel movies are boring because of it. They all feel the same and kinda look the same, this could be a "house style" that they're going for but after a decade of it not everyone wants to see more. I may be in the minority here, but Marvel has made me tired of super hero and comic book films. They don't take any chances, they don't try anything new and they also know they don't have to. Thats bad. DC has a chance to shake things up and still can, but they need to do things their own way and find out what works for them. Marvel got lucky that the first Iron Man film set the stage and tone for what to do, Closest DC has had was Wonder Woman(Havent seen it, REALLY tired of Super hero films though) and if they want to use that as a stepping stone for what to set the tone then they should take what worked and build off that. They shouldn't try to imitate Marvel Super hero films, Because Marvel super hero films are a bubble thats gonna burst. Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Infinity War 1 and 2, Doctor Strange 2 each of these 6 films cost/will cost at least 200 million at the minimum to make. Thats over 1 billion dollars for these six films alone. I'm not even going to get into Agents of Shield, Daredevil, Defenders, Punisher, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist which all cost a ton to make on their own. Only Disney can afford to create this big of a bubble of entertainment, and you know what? For any other studio to try to mimic them is economic suicide. I believe that Disney is gonna cause the super hero bubble to burst because of super hero fatigue and other studios need to learn that audiences dont want the same thing over and over again for more than a few years. If DC wants to avoid this problem, they honestly need to at the least take the basic lesson Marvel Learned and apply it to their future properties and not be scared to do their own thing. Just cut down on the effects now and then and give us some more fucking character to enjoy instead of explosions and aliens. Ya know, basic film 101, give the audience an interesting character and world and make sure that both work together and not against eachother.

how about no more superhero movies for at least 5 years

iron man 1 was great and all and guardians 1 and 2 were pretty good but i'm sick of all the goddamn superhero movies and these mooks wanna ride the comic book money mobile for the next 10 or 20 years? i can't take it man i can't TAKE it

I like the Marvel movies (although I'm starting to find them formulaic and too quippy), but even I was thinking they would ideally take a 2-3 year break after Avengers 4. Of course they won't, but it would be a good way to get a breather in there for the viewing audience.

I don't get fatigued from themes or genres or whatever. I get fatigued by crap. I can watch a superhero movie every three or four months and not be bored with them because they're superhero movies. If I'm going to get bored by them, its because they're doing fucking nothing interesting with the characters or world, they're poorly directed, and so on. Marvel's movies are largely consistently enjoyable despite them all being superhero movies release every four to six months because at least they keep them entertaining.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52923186][sp]Then Batman just fucks around gossiping with Alfred while the criminal he just nearly dropped from a rooftop hops around in the background listening to Batman reveal his secret identity, having calmly accepted that he is tied up when he could easily escape.[/sp] [/QUOTE] I do really admire how silly it is that [sp]the worlds greatest detective didn't think to never state his butlers name and doesn't know what codenames are[/sp]

[QUOTE=Eric95;52923456]how about no more superhero movies for at least 5 years[/QUOTE] Good luck with that. Marvel's demonstrated that even if you follow a real basic formula repeatedly, you can hit up the box office consistently so long as it looks and sounds good, and as a sequel it amps the scale up. DC and Warner's problem is that they tried to cash in on the same craze as a trend copycat, but compared to the crazy and bombastic world of the MCU, they had Zack Snyder and numerous other problems deciding to lead DC into an incredibly dark and muted place to try to take itself super-seriously. Not that DC is quite as wacky as Marvel, but goddamn. You know you've fucked up when you've taken the concept of Batman vs. Superman, which was already somewhat of an awkward Frank Miller storyline that they were very loosely adapting, and turn it into laughing stock of a film that even the extended cut can't hope to save and casual moviegoers can easily spot rewrites/plot holes.

[QUOTE=Luni;52923485]iron man 1 was great and all and guardians 1 and 2 were pretty good but i'm sick of all the goddamn superhero movies and these mooks wanna ride the comic book money mobile for the next 10 or 20 years? i can't take it man i can't TAKE it[/QUOTE] It must be really terrible for you being held at gunpoint and being forced to watch all of those superhero movies.

[QUOTE=Reds;52923555]It must be really terrible for you being held at gunpoint and being forced to watch all of those superhero movies.[/QUOTE] burgers are amazing, and its very hard to make a bad burger unless you're an absolute tit but you get sick of seeing it when there are 20 burger joints that share a similar recipe and style within walking distance but no pizza place. Like for real, as great as these films are there are so many of them. I'll keep watching them yeah, but I want some variety. There are tons of good films coming out that are outside of the super hero genre, but super hero films are the current fad thing right now.

I saw it today and other than the party of 8 I was with, half of which only reluctantly coughed up the money due to my friend's birthday, there was a total of maybe 5 other people in the theatre.

This is why it's important to support small movies that break the mold, I saw Loving Vincent when it came to theaters and it was great. Sadly I think it won't do too well at the box office though. But that may have something to do with the fact it was only showing for a week..

[QUOTE=RikohZX;52921869]Maybe if they took the time to revise how they're approaching the entire DC movie license after Wonder Woman succeeded where everything else shat the bed, maybe, [i]juuuuust maybe[/i], they wouldn't be suffering from tens of millions from people being disinterested at best and disgusted at worst.[/QUOTE] Supes didn't shit the bed in terms of money [editline]26th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Eric95;52923456]how about no more superhero movies for at least 5 years[/QUOTE] I agree. I really really don't like the infantilization that is happening with the mainstream media right now.

The superhero fad doesn't bother me much because it's reserved for big studios. You can't make a capeshit film on a budget, like you could with cop movies when they were big. Or westerns, or Rambo ripoffs, or, more obviously, horror films. This trend is only oversaturated among the top releases, and if you only pay attention to those, you're not getting the best film experiences anyway. If they weren't doing superheroes, they'd just be going after another flavor of terrible

I just hope 'video game movies' never becomes a film fad like super hero films Imagine big studios doing video game films in mass numbers. Think of how embarrassing it would be. It's already bad enough with what we ALREADY get. [editline]26th November 2017[/editline] Duke Nukem and Tomb Raider cross-over film with 70 year old post presidency Dwayne the Rock Johnson as Duke Nukem, and they would reference call of duty as a 'retro shooter' in it and put funny video game memes everywhere

[QUOTE=J!NX;52923896]I just hope 'video game movies' never becomes a film fad like super hero films Imagine big studios doing video game films in mass numbers. Think of how embarrassing it would be. It's already bad enough with what we ALREADY get. [editline]26th November 2017[/editline] Duke Nukem and Tomb Raider cross-over film with 70 year old post presidency Dwayne the Rock Johnson as Duke Nukem, and they would reference call of duty as a 'retro shooter' in it and put funny video game memes everywhere[/QUOTE] Snip this before Sony Pictures see it

I'm surprised no one has brought up Joss Whedon's magical ability to fuck up everything he touches. If you have actually seen this movie, Joss is the explanation for any reshot scene that looked like it was done in front of a green screen. Because it was. There's a list out there of almost every significant scene in the movie that tells whether Zack or Joss was responsible - and what do you know, Joss is the entire reason that The Flash has one of his worst characterizations EVER on screen. [url]https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/11/18/justice-league-scenes-whedon-snyder/[/url]

[QUOTE=J!NX;52921882]There are more bad films coming out than there are good.[/QUOTE] Can you name a point in film history where it hasn't been like that? I guess it depends what you mean by bad. I mean, if every movie was likeable to everybody it'd be a pretty stagnant and boring industry. Which is actually the pit that these big movie companies keep falling into. They try to appeal or be inclusive to as many people as possible. They're run by business men, not by artists.

[QUOTE=Eric95;52923456]how about no more superhero movies for at least 5 years[/QUOTE] The problem i have with this kind of statement is Superheroes are incredibly vaguely defined things that can range from characters like The Punisher to Hellboy to Superman. Its not even really a genre, its a sort of vague description of a character within a work of fiction. Its not the subject of the movie thats the problem, its the execution.

This is why I love Fox's renditions of super hero films. Logan was superb and by no means your standard run of the mill super hero flick. Same goes for Deadpool and the New Mutants horror stuff they're showing off. Fox seems to understand people are fatigued with the same kid friendly crap and are delving into more mature themes, which has proven to be incredibly successful. Unlike Disney they have no interest in selling toys and are willing to put more thought into their productions.

[QUOTE=redBadger;52924313]This is why I love Fox's renditions of super hero films. Logan was superb and by no means your standard run of the mill super hero flick. Same goes for Deadpool and the New Mutants horror stuff they're showing off. Fox seems to understand people are fatigued with the same kid friendly crap and are delving into more mature themes, which has proven to be incredibly successful. Unlike Disney they have no interest in selling toys and are willing to put more thought into their productions.[/QUOTE] Yeah those are fine but doesn't excuse the awful X-Men, fantastic four movies.

[QUOTE=mark6789;52924347]Yeah those are fine but doesn't excuse the awful X-Men, fantastic four movies.[/QUOTE] Thats not his point? [editline]26th November 2017[/editline] Plus a lot of the issues with the Pre-Deadpool X-men and FF films can be traced back to Tom Rothman. He's gone now to finish what Amy Pascal started at Sony.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52924350]Thats not his point? [editline]26th November 2017[/editline] Plus a lot of the issues with the Pre-Deadpool X-men and FF films can be traced back to Tom Rothman. He's gone now to finish what Amy Pascal started at Sony.[/QUOTE] He's said he loves Fox's version of superheroes and thinks they understand superheroes, when they've only had a couple of good movies recently compared to many bad. I think they're learning now but let's not give them too much credit. Just saw your edit. I hope so, Logan, Deadpool was a breath of fresh air so I hope Fox gets it

[QUOTE=mark6789;52924355]He's said he loves Fox's version of superheroes and thinks they understand superheroes, when they've only had a couple of good movies recently compared to many bad. I think they're learning now but let's not give them too much credit[/QUOTE] Well I meant more recently since Deadpool started the trend. F4 was awful and most X-Men films prior have been average at best. Fox took a risk with Deadpool and it paid off - applied that to Logan and it also paid off. Fox now is taking bigger risks. New Mutants is going to be a superhero horror film. Can you name a single one of those in recent years? The reason why prior X-Men and F4 failed is that it tried to do what Marvel is doing. Now that they're doing their own thing, I'm finding the Fox films worth more of my time than Marvel. [editline]26th November 2017[/editline] I personally think the DC films should have been darker and rated R - a stark contrast to what Marvel is doing. It creates their own identity and like Fox they can take more risks and create more interesting content compared to Marvel. Just leave Synder out of it.

Fox is awesome making solo movies but when it comes to the X-men universe it's a fucking mess.

[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52923987]Can you name a point in film history where it hasn't been like that? I guess it depends what you mean by bad. I mean, if every movie was likeable to everybody it'd be a pretty stagnant and boring industry. Which is actually the pit that these big movie companies keep falling into. They try to appeal or be inclusive to as many people as possible. They're run by business men, not by artists.[/QUOTE] We're seeing an increase in very obviously market researched films that are then advertised much more aggressively than as far as I can remember. So I guess what I really should have referred to is an increase in very blatantly mass-marketed crap than before, that's hiding the 'this is really about the money' factor less and less. I mean, its not like 'bad' films that are trying to mimic a better film is new, just look at the 80's action fad. They weren't like, amazing movies, a lot of them were pretty cheese, yet even the bad ones were still kinda watchable because they were entertaining... and then you look at today, and we have shit like Sing, Emoji movie, Minions, Suicide Squad films that are just so unwatchable and terrible, they're as cynical as try-hard as you could possibly get. There's no entertainment value and its so devoid of excitement that its painful.