Silicon Valley’s $400 Juicer revealed to be unnecessary after journalist uses their hands instead - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52138915]Do you get my point? Why would you say they aren't really comparable? (I'm not quite getting your point)[/QUOTE] Public infraestructure is far more expensive to build [I]and[/I] maintain (Oh, didn't think that public works are usually [I]long-term projects[/I], didn't ya?), it isn't a matter of tossing all available money until people are happy Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that private companies can't finance public works through their own initiative and money, they certainly [I][B]can[/B][/I]. The problem is the [I][B]scale[/B][/I]. They simply do not have the resources required to try these projects on a [I]national[/I] scale.

the utter stupidity of the device is its made to appeal to the sort of people who like food with qualities such as being "fresh", "artisanal", "healthy", etc. and yet, it isn't really those things it would be cheaper (and better) to go out to some cafe or deli that cuts and presses the fruits right there and then. this machine is a corporate product through and through, with google shareholders being fucked over, the consumers misled into buying a shitty product, and the only people who make money off this are the managers in google who approved funding for this (using other peoples money) and were the only ones to gain by it

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;52140000]i honestly dont give too much about the price, the majority of people arent going to not buy this because "its too expensive" but because they find the idea of a connected home kinda dumb/pointless, people who are generally into the idea of this have more money than sense also everyone arguing that 'this is whats wrong with capitalism' are literally playing a part of the process here, public outcry kills bad products and naturally keeps it moving[/QUOTE] well minus the fact that google middle managers keep on spending money on stupid projects because it's somebody elses money (they've got no skin in the game), so the people responsible for this don't drop out of the market, but instead keep any successful gains while pushing the losses onto shareholders (who by this stage no longer control the companies due to the fact that many shareholders often only own their shares for milliseconds)

[QUOTE=1/4 Life;52138904]ARE YOU SURE?[/QUOTE] There are advantages to being connected to the internet. While a wifi juicer is pushing the idea to the limit, it does seem useful for fridges for example. It could automatically order some milk if it runs out or is about to. Maybe you could insert a recipe and it'd automatically order all ingredients you don't already have. The concept is interesting, but unfortunately the final product is absolutely awful.

[QUOTE=joost1120;52140962]There are advantages to being connected to the internet. While a wifi juicer is pushing the idea to the limit, it does seem useful for fridges for example. It could automatically order some milk if it runs out or is about to. Maybe you could insert a recipe and it'd automatically order all ingredients you don't already have. The concept is interesting, but unfortunately the final product is absolutely awful.[/QUOTE] tbh it'd be better to have a kitchen tablet that is specifically for ordering goods having your tech automatically order food for you is the worst thing you can do because it devalues money completely and if it fails you'll wonder where your milk is [editline]23rd April 2017[/editline] When you make money capable of being spent instantaneously and without count money becomes completely worthless

[QUOTE=J!NX;52140965]tbh it'd be better to have a kitchen tablet that is specifically for ordering goods having your tech automatically order food for you is the worst thing you can do because it devalues money completely and if it fails you'll wonder where your milk is [editline]23rd April 2017[/editline] When you make money capable of being spent instantaneously and without count money becomes completely worthless[/QUOTE] That's why I said it's only an interesting concept. I doubt this kind of product would be useful for anyone.

[QUOTE=meppers;52132387]I should also mention that it's a weekly auto-renewing subscription service, too. $120 a month for fucking juice[/QUOTE] And investors actually considered it viable? Oh wow the invisible hand of the market is so good at innovating and delivering what people want giving them choices they never fucking needed in the first place.

With all these garbage-churning machines like Keurigs, Tassimos, and now Juiceros we are honestly now living in the world of futurama. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxmP8IcoKtE[/media] Any non-recyclable one-time use coffee/juice pods/bags should really just be banned. Provide reusable containers, or fuck off.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52140804]well minus the fact that google middle managers keep on spending money on stupid projects because it's somebody elses money (they've got no skin in the game), so the people responsible for this don't drop out of the market, but instead keep any successful gains while pushing the losses onto shareholders (who by this stage no longer control the companies due to the fact that many shareholders often only own their shares for milliseconds)[/QUOTE] HFT is a thing but it constituted between 10-40% of trading volume in 2016. Most market participants are still "traditional" traders, or buy-and-hold. Also, when an investment goes bad, you're right that the people managing the fund still get paid. However, at the end of the day, if they keep making bad investments, they get fired or in the case of a private equity fund, people withdraw their money and they go bust.

computer-enabled things (like juicers) are a pretty cool idea actually you could run this thing on your local network and have it store mixes for your juices make juices of basic ingredients (apple and such - actually storebought!) and put them in a special container. then you could begin the making of a chosen recipe. you take your juice in a container, put it in the juicer, and it automatically sucks up the precise amount of it into storage. repeat until the recipe is done and enjoy your precise mix. i'm sure that you could automatically detect if stuff's going bad too by checking how decomposition products there are in your juice/ingredient sadly commercial iot seems to be more 'defective by design' crap and sometimes outright scams (like this 400$ juice squeezer)

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;52141146]With all these garbage-churning machines like Keurigs, Tassimos, and now Juiceros we are honestly now living in the world of futurama. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxmP8IcoKtE[/media] Any non-recyclable one-time use coffee/juice pods/bags should really just be banned. Provide reusable containers, or fuck off.[/QUOTE] It is surprising for me that, in EU for example, they went as far as banning vacuum cleaners over 2000W that you use half an hour a week and is irrelevant, but nobody seems to care about how many products are packed in oversized packaging to make them look like they have more content; - It tricks the consumer - uses unnecessary amounts of resources, both in production and in transport - produces a ton of waste, which is a serious issue in most countries.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;52142507]It is surprising for me that, in EU for example, they went as far as banning vacuum cleaners over 2000W that you use half an hour a week and is irrelevant, but nobody seems to care about how many products are packed in oversized packaging to make them look like they have more content; - It tricks the consumer - uses unnecessary amounts of resources, both in production and in transport - produces a ton of waste, which is a serious issue in most countries.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;qGL3zr3xDHU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGL3zr3xDHU[/video]

[QUOTE=J!NX;52140965]tbh it'd be better to have a kitchen tablet that is specifically for ordering goods having your tech automatically order food for you is the worst thing you can do because it devalues money completely and if it fails you'll wonder where your milk is [editline]23rd April 2017[/editline] When you make money capable of being spent instantaneously and without count money becomes completely worthless[/QUOTE] amazon dash is an incredible example of exactly what you want done really well, with enough safeguards to basically be left out. i'd love a kitchen tablet that allows you to order food, find recipes, make grocery lists, etc. as silly as it seems at first, samsung's family hub fridge does all that, and it works damn well: [t]https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/887276/887276144764.jpg[/t] plus taking pictures of the inside of the fridge that you can access from a phone, or other cool stuff like streaming what's on one tv to the fridge so you don't miss a game or whatever. it's not for everyone, but as a concept and as a featured product it works well (though at msrp it's very overpriced. though they've come down to about 2-3k which is middle of the line price for a really good regular fridge without a tablet taped to it.)

[QUOTE=Gamerman12;52143246]amazon dash is an incredible example of exactly what you want done really well, with enough safeguards to basically be left out. i'd love a kitchen tablet that allows you to order food, find recipes, make grocery lists, etc. as silly as it seems at first, samsung's family hub fridge does all that, and it works damn well: [t]https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/887276/887276144764.jpg[/t] plus taking pictures of the inside of the fridge that you can access from a phone, or other cool stuff like streaming what's on one tv to the fridge so you don't miss a game or whatever. it's not for everyone, but as a concept and as a featured product it works well (though at msrp it's very overpriced. though they've come down to about 2-3k which is middle of the line price for a really good regular fridge without a tablet taped to it.)[/QUOTE] The thing is hard-integration is a stupid idea only meant to lull customers into the manufacturers product ecosystem. fuck that kind of behavior.

but did the company know and lie and profit? sorry im in a rush.

[QUOTE=Van-man;52144455]The thing is hard-integration is a stupid idea only meant to lull customers into the manufacturers product ecosystem. fuck that kind of behavior.[/QUOTE] what's wrong with being apart of an ecosystem? if it works well, doesn't abuse the end user for all their money, and only goes to add extra features otherwise not very possible without the ecosystem, it sounds fine. for instance, the samsung tv streaming thing only works with samsung tvs, makes sense because samsung has their own streaming platform that's been on their smart tvs since 2015. on the other side of the coin, samsung's app that integrates with the fridge is available on android and ios, aka pretty much every phone on the market, and not limited to their phones or android phones.)= you seem scared of that though, i'm curious why?

[QUOTE=Gamerman12;52145315]what's wrong with being apart of an ecosystem? if it works well, doesn't abuse the end user for all their money, and only goes to add extra features otherwise not very possible without the ecosystem, it sounds fine. for instance, the samsung tv streaming thing only works with samsung tvs, makes sense because samsung has their own streaming platform that's been on their smart tvs since 2015. on the other side of the coin, samsung's app that integrates with the fridge is available on android and ios, aka pretty much every phone on the market, and not limited to their phones or android phones.)= you seem scared of that though, i'm curious why?[/QUOTE] Because what you're saying is a naive pipedream. The products should follow a open and group managed yet closely and harshly regulated standard, so I can mix and match products at will without having to resort to hacky workarounds because I prefer fridge from X manufacturer but oven from Y manufacturer and toaster from Z manufacturer, and they'd all work perfectly together with third party control software, because there's no proprietary manufacturer owned BS involved.

[QUOTE=Van-man;52145513]Because what you're saying is a naive pipedream. The products should follow a open and group managed yet closely and harshly regulated standard, so I can mix and match products at will without having to resort to hacky workarounds because I prefer fridge from X manufacturer but oven from Y manufacturer and toaster from Z manufacturer, and they'd all work perfectly together with third party control software, because there's no proprietary manufacturer owned BS involved.[/QUOTE] It's not really open anymore if you're going to harshly regulate it.

I think an iot juicer would work well like it would call the police and let the victim's family know via Facebook status update if you disposed of a corpse by juicing it. It would also quietly make a note of nutritional value and add it to your juice log and caloric intake for the day. Status update for jimbob: "Fed scrotum-first into a masticating juice maker on 2040-2-1 today."

[QUOTE=xagnu;52145664]It's not really open anymore if you're going to harshly regulate it.[/QUOTE] Tons of popular open source standards are regulated what are you talking about

[QUOTE=Van-man;52145513]Because what you're saying is a naive pipedream. The products should follow a open and group managed yet closely and harshly regulated standard, so I can mix and match products at will without having to resort to hacky workarounds because I prefer fridge from X manufacturer but oven from Y manufacturer and toaster from Z manufacturer, and they'd all work perfectly together with third party control software, because there's no proprietary manufacturer owned BS involved.[/QUOTE] but it's made with mostly off the shelf software like pandora and allrecepies, with only the hardware being proprietary. i know we're getting a bit off topic here, but im confused what you want in this case. do you want a kit to strap a tablet to your fridge? samsung isn't the only one who's allowed to do this, unless they've patented it which i don't think they have? and the only thing hardware locked was the camera system which i'm pretty sure isn't patented. it's an all in one product specifically built to be all in one and simplified, and you want to piecemeal it? that's like asking LG to make a fridge that has samsung's freezer underneath it, or like asking all companies to pre-install linux because it's an open platform. the only thing the fridge has you by the balls on is the water filter, which i'll agree sucks cause nobody in the world wants to pay $50 for that, but at the same time it's almost a non-issue. as i said, the ecosystem the fridge develops is something that's totally free to use after the price tag (the only thing you pay for iirc is pandora, and that's just to get their premium features,) and going all samsung only gives you added benefits IIRC if you want that tv streaming thing or to be able to control smart home products with the samsung smartthings. again, you seem scared of this fridge for being some locked off thing even though it's only locked off by the OS. the worst thing about it is the fact that it's not an open platform for app development, but maybe if it does well for samsung and people start buying more we might see that? i don't get what's the big deal with this fridge in particular, you just seem to be scared of it because of past experiences with other things (and hey samsung isn't free of this, their phones are absolute garbage when it comes to pre-loaded stuff and locked off hardware. but that's a completely different division of samsung compared to this one.)

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52146950]Tons of popular open source standards are regulated what are you talking about[/QUOTE] No they're not, they're curated. If you're "harshly regulating" a standard then it's no longer open by definition, as you're limiting the scope of what the end-user can do.

[QUOTE=xagnu;52147546]No they're not, they're curated. If you're "harshly regulating" a standard then it's no longer open by definition, as you're limiting the scope of what the end-user can do.[/QUOTE] You're arguing about semantics. Also it needs to be regulated otherwise manufacturers WILL bend it in their own specific favor while screwing over other or consumers. But you're obviously hellbent on reading it as doing the opposite.

[QUOTE=MadBomber;52131329]It's a juicer, which can only juice pre-packaged ingredients, why.[/QUOTE] I bet if you cut one of those packets open you'll find it full of juice

[QUOTE=viperfan7;52147741]I bet if you cut one of those packets open you'll find it full of juice[/QUOTE] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bojSloU93k[/media] It's like mush but still, if your hands can squeeze the juice out of the mush then what's the point of this juicer? :v:

[QUOTE=Van-man;52147672]You're arguing about semantics. Also it needs to be regulated otherwise manufacturers WILL bend it in their own specific favor while screwing over other or consumers. But you're obviously hellbent on reading it as doing the opposite.[/QUOTE] It's got nothing to do with semantics, you're arguing for two things that are mutually exclusive. You can either have open standards and accept that some manufacturers won't play nice and hope consumer choice+advocacy wins out, or you get some body to define a standard and enforce it upon the market and enjoy glacial progress, inter-org politics and design by committee. AMD for instance regularly support and push open standards despite having no obligation to, and in stark contrast to nVidia's proprietary-heavy offerings. Regulation is rarely necessary, except when anticompetitive practices have manipulated the market.

[QUOTE=MadBomber;52131329]It's a juicer, which can only juice pre-packaged ingredients, why.[/QUOTE] thinking about it, technically its not a juicer, just a squeezer that happens to squeeze juice out of packs :v: [editline]25th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Gamerman12;52145315]what's wrong with being apart of an ecosystem? if it works well, doesn't abuse the end user for all their money, and only goes to add extra features otherwise not very possible without the ecosystem, it sounds fine. for instance, the samsung tv streaming thing only works with samsung tvs, makes sense because samsung has their own streaming platform that's been on their smart tvs since 2015. on the other side of the coin, samsung's app that integrates with the fridge is available on android and ios, aka pretty much every phone on the market, and not limited to their phones or android phones.)= you seem scared of that though, i'm curious why?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Gamerman12;52143246]amazon dash is an incredible example of exactly what you want done really well, with enough safeguards to basically be left out. i'd love a kitchen tablet that allows you to order food, find recipes, make grocery lists, etc. plus taking pictures of the inside of the fridge that you can access from a phone, or other cool stuff like streaming what's on one tv to the fridge so you don't miss a game or whatever. it's not for everyone, but as a concept and as a featured product it works well (though at msrp it's very overpriced. though they've come down to about 2-3k which is middle of the line price for a really good regular fridge without a tablet taped to it.)[/QUOTE] no no, I don't want that making buying instant is exactly the worst possible thing you can do, and so is connecting everything in this way. When money can be spent with the touch of a button you completely stop thinking about what you buy, regardless of how many safeguards are available. having constant access to utterly worthless information like whats in your fridge and whats on TV creates so many distractions and just creates this really pointless yet invisible inconvenience. You literally cease living in the present because you have access to way more than you need to. This exact reason is why stuff like this juicer, and that fridge, is a terrible idea and should be avoided. Worry about your fridge when you get off your ass and look in it. You can afford to miss your show that you can pause and record at any moment in time (is there a box or tv out there that can't do this by now?), you don't need to constantly watch TV every second of the day. It becomes unbelievably unhealthy to have TOO MUCH interconnection. I think a stand alone tablet with an internet connection is fine. A really good change I made in my life was turning off email notifications, and all messages. The gimmick of an "Ecosystem" isn't healthy at all. [editline]25th April 2017[/editline] Lets not forget the blatant security flaws that come with everything being interconnected. Security flaws that would become increasingly hard to track

There's over-engineered, and then there's this. Jesus.

At this point, its a work of art, given the price and the unnecessary complexity of it all. :why:

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;52148352][URL="https://blog.bolt.io/heres-why-juicero-s-press-is-so-expensive-6add74594e50"]Someone made a teardown of it[/URL] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Lsxy1Lt.jpg[/IMG] lmao[/QUOTE] Are we sure this isn't just a cutout company for Apple?