Anthony Rapp accuses Kevin Spacey of alledged sexual advances, Spacey apologizes and comes out gay - Sensationalist Headlines

I always thought it was well known he was gay.

Congrats for coming out, now do the time for sexually assaulting someone.

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52836590]So like everyone else - super surprised that he's gay. I don't know much about the dude but it's a surprise nevertheless. It would be nice to discuss more of this revelation in a light-hearted way if it wasn't attached to an [I]accusation of pedophilic sexual assault.[/I] I actually find it [I]super[/I] distasteful that he took accusation as a moment to come out to the public - what is usually an empowering moment for both the celebrity and their fans is now tinged with this really uncomfortable, unfortunately creepy vibe. Even if he doesn't intend for it to be this way, it's shifting the spotlight off the sexual assault. That being said, I don't know of the severity of the 'assault' - it just seems to be unwanted sexual advances, but towards a [I]child[/I], I don't know. I pretty much have zero respect for him right now. [editline]30th October 2017[/editline] Like headlines are now going to be forced to include "btw Kevin Spacey is gay" when they report on this accusation. No matter what it was a bad time to try and make this issue about him and his sexuality.[/QUOTE] I think you're kind of right but it'd sorta speak for itself in the allegations. Like shit, if he acknowledged that it might have happened and apologized, then it'd be out there all the same. Maybe he could've worded it differently, but if he just didn't say he was gay then people would be even more suspicious because he'd be 'lying' about that, too. I don't know. Like all celebrity drama like this, I'm absolutely distant from the situation and I have no way of knowing what actually happened. If it really was a single drunken encounter 30 years ago... It's still pretty messed up all things considered, but at the [I]very[/I] least, it was a long time ago and (apparently) a one-off? I think Spacey's kinda fucked here, though. It's nigh-impossible to shake allegations of pedophilia once they're out there.

That's the thing - Kevin Spacey's sexuality kind of goes without question after this allegation. The accusation revealed two things, that Kevin Spacey hit on a 14 year old kid and that he's gay. One of them is infinitely more important than the other. It might just be me, but I don't think he should have mentioned it at all and just let the allegations speak for themselves. No harm in 'officially' coming out later on after all parties involved have had a chance to sort it out, but as it stands I'm seriously worried Anthony Rapp's accusation, if it turns out to be true, will be overshadowed by Kevin Spacey coming out. I might be being a bit dramatic here, I'm sure as it pans out the public will be much more interested in the accusations rather than the coming out, but I still think it's a seriously shitty move. Wouldn't it have read better if he just posted the public apology, nothing else? I would find it easier to believe he was genuinely remorseful and working towards making things right if he did that. Now, it just feels like he's either trying to throw the spot light off the pedo stuff or he's more concerned about being outed as gay.

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52836671]That's the thing - Kevin Spacey's sexuality kind of goes without question after this allegation. The accusation revealed two things, that Kevin Spacey hit on a 14 year old kid and that he's gay. One of them is infinitely more important than the other. It might just be me, but I don't think he should have mentioned it at all and just let the allegations speak for themselves. No harm in coming out later on after all parties involved have had a chance to sort it out, but as it stands I'm seriously worried Anthony Rapp's accusation, if it turns out to be true, will be overshadowed by Kevin Spacey coming out. I might be being a bit dramatic here, I'm sure as it pans out the public will be much more interested in the accusations rather than the coming out, but I still think it's a seriously shitty move.[/QUOTE] It's probably less prevalent today, but as I recall there's still this thing where a gay person that refuses to come out is seen as "lying," so I can see why it might be a good call to mention it. I think the best thing would've been to absolutely [I]stress[/I] that him being gay isn't the important part here.

kevin spacey being gay has been a rumor for awhile tho kinda weird it had to come out like this

This is another one of those "everyone within a 100 mile range of the biz knew about it" rumors that is turning out to be true.

Cool, he's gay. He doesn't get a pass for advancing on a young teenage boy just because it was a long time ago and it slipped his mind lol. If the allegations are true, and since there are rumors from others thay he is known in Hollywood for preying on young boys, then he needs to be investigated.

[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52836563]Why are some people in this thread so quick to ignore the pedophilia angle? It's not exactly an "everyone makes mistakes" sort of action.[/QUOTE] "Horrible shit is fine as long as it's celebrity I enjoy doing it. Can't miss out on that next season of house of cards. Gotta know what happens next."

so how much of house of cards is acting for spacey?

[QUOTE=Mentlegen;52836262]That's honestly what it comes off as to me. He makes an apology about severely inappropriate sexual predator behavior and then uses coming out as a shock "oh yeah btw I'm gay" to shift focus from the original topic Don't want it to seem like I'm witchhunting here, I just find it very fishy to come out as a response to being called out on being a sexual predator.[/QUOTE] Using this to shift focus from pedophilia is just not a good look. Some ignorant people are going to link his homosexuality to pedophilia, fortifying a stigma the LGBT community fights to dismantle.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;52836778]Holy shit, this thread is awful. How can so many of you people defend him? [B]He made sexual advances on a minor.[/B] Being drunk or "forgetting" are both bullshit excuses.[/QUOTE] ... allegedly. Are we really just going to do away with innocent until proven guilty because it's easier on the fee-fees?

Also, his choice of words on his letter was very poor. "I choose to live as a gay man". Ok, I get that he chose to make it public and live his life as a gay man without having to hide it when he's with another guy but in this context it just makes him look like he chose this just to shift focus from his pedophilia accusations.

yeah at first i was just bewildered but uh yeah nah fuck spacey if this is true

[QUOTE=Atlascore;52836848]In case you haven't noticed sexual abuse is rampant in Hollywood and the entertainment industry. This is highly likely to be legit and not just an accusation. Spacey's attempt to deflect by coming out as gay is also really fishy. Also FYI this is always how it starts.[/QUOTE] I think we all understand that context, which is exactly why I think it's important to keep the "innocent until proven guilty" thing in mind. I personally don't doubt the allegation at all, but my kneejerk reaction to believe the accusation is probably why it's important to maintain the "alleged" sexual advances part. We can only dismantle the cesspool that is Hollywood methodically, jumping on band wagons is usually a bad idea.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;52836848]In case you haven't noticed sexual abuse is rampant in Hollywood and the entertainment industry. This is highly likely to be legit and not just an accusation. Spacey's attempt to deflect by coming out as gay is also really fishy. Also FYI this is always how it starts.[/QUOTE] Yet this isn't a court of law and we don't convict people because Atlascore thinks they're fishy. Innocent until proven guilty is a critical pillar of any democracy's justice system and undermining that is very very dangerous. This is a life-ending charge. You don't get to declare people guilty because [I]your feelings[/I]. Do you have video of him doing it? No? Then he's innocent until proven guilty.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;52836848]In case you haven't noticed sexual abuse is rampant in Hollywood and the entertainment industry. This is highly likely to be legit and not just an accusation. Spacey's attempt to deflect by coming out as gay is also really fishy. Also FYI this is always how it starts.[/QUOTE] Let me start by saying that I'm suspicious too, and that even if he was wasted and it was a one-off 30-year-old fuck up, he [I]really[/I] fucked up. I still think it's really spooky that people tend to default to guilty-until-proven-innocent whenever pedophilia allegations come up and we should stop doing it. We can't make exceptions.

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52836219]If the guy doesn't remember doing something, but makes an apology for possibly offending someone [I][B]and[/B][/I] comes out over it, then I'm going to put my weight behind him. Especially since this seems to be a one man show right now.[/QUOTE] That don't change nothing if he did something illegal though. Though this is so long ago and such a boarderline case i don't think it's reasonably possible to press charges. Supposing that he [I]did[/I] do something illegal, such as sexual misconduct with a minor, it'd be basically impossible to prove. The whole 'gay now, lol' thing just reeks of misdirection tactics frankly. [QUOTE=Jebus;52836249]People saying he's using a trick he learned from House of Cards, hiding a headline behind another headline to shift focus. Don't know what to think about it all to be honest.[/QUOTE] well when you play a character for so long you start to incorporate a bit of it. Tell a lie long enough and you'll believe it yourself and all that. Maybe this is just the greatest ARG style meta commentary ever made.

I love Spacey as an actor, but fuck him if this is true.

[QUOTE=portalcrazy;52836844]yeah at first i was just bewildered but uh yeah nah fuck spacey if this is true[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Citizen Insane;52836893]I love Spacey as an actor, but fuck him if this is true.[/QUOTE] This is literally exactly why we don't assume guilt before innocence. Anyone can make this kind of accusation about anyone - "oh Patrick Stewart touched my bum in 1983" - that doesn't make it [I]true[/I] and [B]it shouldn't alter your perception of a person until confirmed to be true by a fair trial.[/B] I'm not here to say he did or didn't do it but it's not for us to [I]assume[/I] either way. If Rapp never takes him to court and can never produce damning evidence to the public, oh well, it's another unsubstantiated, unconfirmable rumor, and you should go on forming your opinions based on what can be empirically proven about the man. Hollywood is in full witch hunt mode and anyone making accusations about anyone makes headlines, regardless of proof, when or where it was said to have happened. Put down the torches and pitchforks and wait for some fucking evidence. Especially on something this vague. "He made a pass at me." That could mean literally anything. Temper your feelings and act rationally. A trial by public is not going to lead to justice. I honestly couldn't name anything Spacey has been in off the top of my head other than House of Cards, which I've never watched. I'm sure I've seen movies with him but I can't remember anything specifically. My only investment in this is a belief in the principles of our justice system which usually gets it right unless people let feelings get in the way.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;52836778]Holy shit, this thread is awful. How can so many of you people defend him? [B]He made sexual advances on a minor.[/B] Being drunk or "forgetting" are both bullshit excuses.[/QUOTE] Seriously. 'Oh, he apologized and came out as gay' isn't a good response to a guy who attempted statutory rape. Even if he was young himself, I'm mid-twenties and KNOW BETTER. Funny how people want to protect a man they don't even know.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52836811]... allegedly. Are we really just going to do away with innocent until proven guilty because it's easier on the fee-fees?[/QUOTE] He didn't deny it.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;52836942]He didn't deny it.[/QUOTE] He said he doesn't remember it happening, which is candid denial. Don't try to twist words to add fuel to your fire.

[QUOTE=ZenZill;52836918]Seriously. 'Oh, he apologized and came out as gay' isn't a good response to a guy who attempted statutory rape. Even if he was young himself, I'm mid-twenties and KNOW BETTER. Funny how people want to protect a man they don't even know.[/QUOTE] How is blindly protecting a man you don't know any different from declaring a man guilty when you don't have any context or insider information? I'm not even saying I think he didn't do it, I'm just saying none of us have any way of knowing and this trial-by-public shit is awful.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52836946]He said he doesn't remember it happening, which is candid denial. Don't try to twist words to add fuel to your fire.[/QUOTE] He is being accused of advancing on a 14 year old kid as a 26 year old man. "I don't remember that" is the strongest defense he can muster?

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52836907]"He made a pass at me." That could mean literally anything.[/QUOTE] Aaaaactually an article I read clarified that he "climbed on top of him at a party" and that he was "trying to seduce him" which is... Yeah, even if he was drunk that's difficult-at-best to excuse.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;52836955]He is being accused of advancing on a 14 year old kid as a 26 year old man. "I don't remember that" is the strongest defense he can muster?[/QUOTE] Does it matter? It was 30 years ago. If he flat out denied it, I guarantee you people would still be coming after him like you are for [I]accusations[/I].

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;52836955]He is being accused of advancing on a 14 year old kid as a 26 year old man. "I don't remember that" is the strongest defense he can muster?[/QUOTE] What else can he really say? Rapp says they met in 1986 and Spacey "made a pass at him". Spacey says he does not remember meeting Rapp in 1986 (but does not say this meeting definitely did not occur, since it could have) but that if he said or did anything that made Rapp feel like he was "making a pass" that it was definitely not his intention. Whether he "made a pass" isn't for us to decide, but you should at least try to understand Spacey's defense. Assuming innocence and giving Spacey the benefit of the doubt, it sounds like he's trying to avoid just calling Rapp a liar because it's possible that he did say or do something that was taken differently than he intended and he doesn't remember. He is giving Rapp a platform and not trying to use star power to beat him down. When you're accused publicly of being a pedophile your tactful responses are quite limited particularly if you don't want to stomp on the accuser. [QUOTE=Simplemac3;52836964]Aaaaactually an article I read clarified that he "climbed on top of him at a party" and that he was "trying to seduce him" which is... Yeah, even if he was drunk that's difficult-at-best to excuse.[/QUOTE] Any source? Was this Rapp's word or someone else's? I'd imagine if Rapp himself said that it'd be in more articles.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52836811]... allegedly. Are we really just going to do away with innocent until proven guilty because it's easier on the fee-fees?[/QUOTE] I find it very interesting the way people look at rape. Because like, the vast majority of times, people have no trouble assuming someone is guilty for any other crime. But when rape accusations come out, you hear 'innocent before proven guilty' rhetoric more than you will for any other crime. I really do wonder why. Originally I thought it might have something to do with people doubting victims because they're women, but I think it might have something to do with a fear people have from the amount of false rape allegation horror stories, that it could happen to [I]them.[/I]

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52836977]What else can he really say? Rapp says they met in 1986 and Spacey "made a pass at him". Spacey says he does not remember meeting Rapp in 1986 (but does not say this meeting definitely did not occur, since it could have) but that if he said or did anything that made Rapp feel like he was "making a pass" that it was definitely not his intention. Whether he "made a pass" isn't for us to decide, but you should at least try to understand Spacey's defense. Assuming innocence and giving Spacey the benefit of the doubt, it sounds like he's trying to avoid just calling Rapp a liar because it's possible that he did say or do something that was taken differently than he intended and he doesn't remember. He is giving Rapp a platform and not trying to use star power to beat him down.[/QUOTE] I would like to think that if most people where accused of attempting to have sex with a 14 year old they could outright denied it. I have been very drunk before, but I know that I wouldn't be ever try to fuck a minor. Apparently Kevin Spacey can't say the same, which is extremely damning. Also, he isn't accused of just "making a pass", the allegations are that he climbed on top of him on a bed. A little bit more than just being flirty