Anthony Rapp accuses Kevin Spacey of alledged sexual advances, Spacey apologizes and comes out gay - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52836988]I find it very interesting the way people look at rape. Because like, the vast majority of times, people have no trouble assuming someone is guilty for any other crime. But when rape accusations come out, you hear 'innocent before proven guilty' rhetoric more than you will for any other crime. I really do wonder why. Originally I thought it might have something to do with people doubting victims because they're women, but I think it might have something to do with a fear people have from the amount of false rape allegation horror stories, that it could happen to [I]them.[/I][/QUOTE] I feel like I've sometimes noticed the opposite, weirdly enough. That a lot of people jump to guilty-until-proven-innocent in cases like this. Like Grenadiac says, it's a lot harder to prove rape cases one way or another. Not to say that there aren't people around that seem to doubt EVERY rape case that comes up, regardless of evidence or likelihood. [QUOTE=BusterBluth;52836955]He is being accused of advancing on a 14 year old kid as a 26 year old man. "I don't remember that" is the strongest defense he can muster?[/QUOTE] Well, to be fair he's in the midst of a massive sex abuse scandal, he was a currently-closeted gay man, and then there's just the possibility that he legitimately did get really really drunk and doesn't remember doing it, maybe he just thought it was the best course of action? Like I've been saying though, I don't really have any way of knowing for sure.

Not to mention here I'm pretty sure the statute of limitations has expired on this one. Obviously doesn't excuse his actions if it indeed took place, but from a legal stand point, Rapp is a quite a few years late in being able to press charges. Doesn't mean however this couldn't ruin Spacey's career due to the allegations.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52836988]I find it very interesting the way people look at rape. Because like, the vast majority of times, people have no trouble assuming someone is guilty for any other crime. But when rape accusations come out, you hear 'innocent before proven guilty' rhetoric more than you will for any other crime. I really do wonder why. Originally I thought it might have something to do with people doubting victims because they're women, but I think it might have something to do with a fear people have from the amount of false rape allegation horror stories, that it could happen to [I]them.[/I][/QUOTE] Rape accusations are particularly life-ruining and easier to assume true (because it's hard to prove either way, especially when you're talking many years ago). If someone is accused of money laundering, the public can ooh or aah whichever way it wants but the proof will be in the paper trail regardless. Rape/harassment cases are much more prone to being swayed by feelings and opinion since it's often something you really have to read the way a person acts to determine.

[QUOTE=Simplemac3;52836994]Well, to be fair he's in the midst of a massive sex abuse scandal, he was a currently-closeted gay man, and then there's just the possibility that he legitimately did get really really drunk and doesn't remember doing it, maybe he just thought it was the best course of action? Like I've been saying though, I don't really have any way of knowing for sure.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying he is lying about not remembering, I have no way of knowing that, but if he can't be positive he didn't sexually assault a teenager, drunk or not, then that says something by itself.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;52837009]I'm not saying he is lying about not remembering, I have no way of knowing that, but he can't be positive he didn't sexually assault a teenager, drunk or not, then that says something by itself.[/QUOTE] Spacey's reply is to Rapp's initial statement wherein he is accused of "making a pass", which is really really vague. I don't know where the other thing came from, but it's not what Spacey was replying to. Spacey is saying "I'm sorry if something I said was taken to be making a pass at you, but I really don't remember." Can anyone provide a source on the bed thing? I didn't see that in the first batch of news about this, but that definitely goes above and beyond the vague "making a pass."

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52836977]Any source? Was this Rapp's word or someone else's? I'd imagine if Rapp himself said that it'd be in more articles.[/QUOTE] But it is. Rapp described it

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;52837009]I'm not saying he is lying about not remembering, I have no way of knowing that, but if he can't be positive he didn't sexually assault a teenager, drunk or not, then that says something by itself.[/QUOTE] I'll just go ahead and admit that I've actually never gotten drunk or tried to in my life so I can't really comment on that And all the same, we don't really know for sure. None of us have any way to know for sure. Like, suspicion? Alright. I have a pretty bad feeling something actually went down- but it's not my place to make a verdict. I guess I just think it's the healthiest thing to not get overly invested in these sorts of cases and observe from a safe distance, personally.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52837037]But it is. Rapp described it[/QUOTE] I see it in the deadline article now but didn't notice it before.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52837067]That's why I'm asking for a source...[/QUOTE] Try the OP?

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52837069]Try the OP?[/QUOTE] I missed it in the deadline article like I said - it's still just more words and not proof of anything. Do you have video, photographic or some other evidence of this event other than Rapp's word? If so, feel free to declare Spacey unquestionably guilty. That's how justice works - evidence, not just accusations.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52836946]He said he doesn't remember it happening, which is candid denial. Don't try to twist words to add fuel to your fire.[/QUOTE] You only say "I don't remember doing x" if x is something you can see yourself doing. Obviously this doesn't mean he's guilty or anything, and it is possible he just used a very poor choice of words, but technically speaking it is not denial.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52837087]I missed it in the deadline article like I said - it's still just more words and not proof of anything. Do you have video, photographic or some other evidence of this event other than Rapp's word? If so, feel free to declare Spacey unquestionably guilty.[/QUOTE] Chill tf out, you asked if he had said it and I mentioned that he did. This is all there is to it

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52836811]... allegedly. Are we really just going to do away with innocent until proven guilty because it's easier on the fee-fees?[/QUOTE] Kevin Spacey didn't exactly deny it though

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52837108]Kevin Spacey didn't exactly deny it though[/QUOTE] Well if you don't remember something happening, you can't exactly say it didn't happen for sure.

[QUOTE=Ajacks;52837126]Well if you don't remember something happening, you can't exactly say it didn't happen for sure.[/QUOTE] Once again, you should know for sure or not if your capable of sexually assaulting a minor. [editline]30th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Simplemac3;52837047]I'll just go ahead and admit that I've actually never gotten drunk or tried to in my life so I can't really comment on that And all the same, we don't really know for sure. None of us have any way to know for sure. Like, suspicion? Alright. I have a pretty bad feeling something actually went down- but it's not my place to make a verdict. I guess I just think it's the healthiest thing to not get overly invested in these sorts of cases and observe from a safe distance, personally.[/QUOTE] No one knows for sure but you can reasonably assume from her response that at the very least Spacey has some very deep issue.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52837108]Kevin Spacey didn't exactly deny it though[/QUOTE] do you honestly think it would matter if he did outright deny it? people would just think he is lying.

People legit saying here that Kevin Spacey should do time or be reprimanded for sexual assault, are you guys deluded? Let us be real and understand that even if Rapp would want to take this to court, there is virtually zero chance of him ever proving something happened. We also should not forget that these are allegations and not true facts.

Idk about you guys but I'm waiting for actual facts if possible and more statements from Rapp and such before I make any judgements. It's a serious topic and while his apology is a good start, it isn't damning nor is it pardon worthy.

[QUOTE=dustyjo;52836300]Yes, I'm sure he can remember every second of his life, just like everyone else.[/QUOTE] Buddy I don't remember every second of my life either, but I could fill volumes on the amount of things I know I haven't done in my life. The response Spacey made in particular about not remembering is only acceptable if he had a serious case of amnesia at some point after the fact. I used to work at a daycare, and if one of the kids there accused me of some kind of advancement/harassment years from now I can say with 100% certainty that the accusation is false and slandering. In Spacey's case which seems impossible to prove, why would anyone not straight up deny it, why choose to say something so suspicious?

[QUOTE=noh_mercy;52837343]Buddy I don't remember every second of my life either, but I could fill volumes on the amount of things I know I haven't done in my life. The response Spacey made in particular about not remembering is only acceptable if he had a serious case of amnesia at some point after the fact. I used to work at a daycare, and if one of the kids there accused me of some kind of advancement/harassment years from now I can say with 100% certainty that the accusation is false and slandering. In Spacey's case which seems impossible to prove, why would anyone not straight up deny it, why choose to say something so suspicious?[/QUOTE] "You hit on me." "I don't remember meeting you and I'm sorry if/that I said or did something that made you feel like I was hitting on you." Seems a pretty all inclusive denial to me. But OK.

Take this with a grain of salt. From a reddit post. [QUOTE]Kevin Spacey loves to meet straight men at parties and events, and use his celebrity to lure them to after parties where he gets them drunk and high, and then suddenly tries to blow them. He's another Bill Cosby. He's well known in Hollywood for harassing male staff on productions. And he famously made a false police report a few years back after he was assaulted by one of the many men he's tried to blow. He picks his victims perfectly, because what straight man would want to be famous worldwide for accusing Kevin Spacey of a sexual assault? And the staff he harasses on productions are too afraid of destroying their careers to say anything. Kevin Spacey is a disgusting scumbag. [/QUOTE] other post [QUOTE]I kind of believe it. My brother worked on a project with him as an assistant, and Kevin Spacey grabbed his ass and kept making advances on him. He was in high school at the time. I forgot the exact time, he may have been of age then, but I know he does stuff like that. To be honest though, my brother found it flattering.[/QUOTE] link of the reddit thread [QUOTE][url]https://np.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/6anq9d/watching_nine_lives_with_my_kid_is_kevin_spacey/dhgfy4h/[/url][/QUOTE]

Yo, keep in mind this story begins with Spacey inviting a 14 year old to his place for a party. This wasn't him drunkenly making a pass at him after a show or something. He likely had intentions from the beginning. I'm taking the "I don't remember" as him maintaining deniability while not contesting the claims. Edit: removed legal metaphor. Wasn't trying to say Spacey was trying to literally plea innocent or guilty.

[QUOTE=Harbie;52837430]Yo, keep in mind this story begins with Spacey inviting a 14 year old to his place for a party. This wasn't him drunkenly making a pass at him after a show or something. He likely had intentions from the beginning. I'm taking the "I don't remember" as a "no contest" plea more than anything.[/QUOTE] That's how courts should work right

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;52836503]why are people giving him a free pass for "not remembering"...?[/QUOTE] because he was blackout drunk and it was 30 years ago (?)

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52837472]That's how courts should work right[/QUOTE] What do you mean? I'm not trying to imply he's making a legal case right now. Just that saying "I don't remember doing that" is the equivalent to saying "I don't think that happened, but I'm not going to fight your accusations", IE, pleading no contest.

[QUOTE=Uber22;52837393]Take this with a grain of salt. From a reddit post. other post link of the reddit thread[/QUOTE] i've also seen this [img]https://i.imgur.com/lY9ZLYq.jpg[/img] yeah 4chan screencap but it is another thing on the pile. IF these are true it would show a pattern of abusing young, mostly unknown boys.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52837387]"You hit on me." "I don't remember meeting you and I'm sorry if/that I said or did something that made you feel like I was hitting on you." Seems a pretty all inclusive denial to me. But OK.[/QUOTE] Do you pick people up, lay them on a bed, and climb on them when you 'hit on them'? because that is what the accusation was from the article in the op. [QUOTE]Rapp said that the advances happened after a party at Spacey’s apartment. Spacey picked Rapp up and put him on the bed, climbing on top of him. Rapp said that this was an attempt for Spacey to “seduce” him. “I was aware that he was trying to get with me sexually,” he adds.[/QUOTE] When you worded it your way, sure, it seems like a reasonable apology. But you consider the accusation, all of a sudden him saying [I]I don't remember this aka I can neither confirm or deny that[/I], makes him look mighty suspicious to say the least. You would think behavior like this would be out of the domain for normal people; you don't need to actually remember anything about your past to deny something you know you are not capable of doing. For example, I don't need to remember where I was 1200 days ago to know for sure that I didn't dry hump a stranger on that day.

[QUOTE=Harbie;52837499]What do you mean? I'm not trying to imply he's making a legal case right now. Just that saying "I don't remember doing that" is the equivalent to saying "I don't think that happened, but I'm not going to fight your accusations", IE, pleading no contest.[/QUOTE] It really isn't.

[QUOTE=Harbie;52837430]Yo, keep in mind this story begins with Spacey inviting a 14 year old to his place for a party. This wasn't him drunkenly making a pass at him after a show or something. He likely had intentions from the beginning. I'm taking the "I don't remember" as him maintaining deniability while not contesting the claims. Edit: removed legal metaphor. Wasn't trying to say Spacey was trying to literally plea innocent or guilty.[/QUOTE] I don't know why half of this thread is still ignoring the PEDOPHILE angle.

[QUOTE=Alec W;52837757]I don't know why half of this thread is still ignoring the PEDOPHILE angle.[/QUOTE] I don't know what is true, or what isn't true But I'm not really going to just assume shit about every case that comes out regarding this. I generally believe the victims and their accounts, but I don't think they're flawless or unquestionable. Doubt isn't a bad thing to have on hand in cases like this. If this is all verified in a week or two, then yes, everyone have at it, but in the meantime the court of public opinion is not a place to have honest discussions free from sensationalism, never has been.