Legendary Whitetail Deer taken in Bowbell, North Dakota - Sensationalist Headlines

I feel the same with plants, vegetables and fruits. Those poor little things cant protect themself like animals do... :(

[QUOTE=Ajacks;52893306]Hunting is a closeness with our human nature, our history, nature itself and the intimate relationship between ourselves and the animals we consume. It's a beautiful thing in it's own way. If you don't believe in and do not consume meat products then I can understand the disgust but you can't say it isn't and hasn't been a necessity for humankind, and all predatory animals back to the dawn of life. The act of hunting is almost meditative and anyone who regularly consumes meat products should be exposed to the act of taking a life that you consume because without that you have no frame of knowledge to understand the true cost of that hamburger or chicken strip which is very a very unhealthy state to be in, a denial of sorts. Hunting is solitary, tranquil, and connects you to the earth. If you consume meat then that's something you should understand.[/QUOTE] This is a sentiment I can get behind, but when you see and hear people gloating over their kills and glorify the act of killing the animal more than the purpose, it rubs me the wrong way. Hearing people going "I can't wait to get out there and shoot some deer" is frankly more disturbing than respectable. I'm fine with hunting but some people are weird about it.

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;52893251]He's literally just suggesting that hunting is not glorified by getting news articles posted about it, even if it is necessary. I wouldn't mind if hunting was seen by society as a shameful but necessary activity, but America is basically fucking stupid so there's no way that could happen.[/QUOTE] There is absolutely nothing wrong with hunting within the law. Nothing shameful or evil about it. Why shouldn't it get a news article?

[QUOTE=Megadave;52892787]I hope he ate it at least.[/QUOTE] Man you know this dude has a giant freezer full of deer sausages. Hunters don't waste that delicious dear meat.

[QUOTE=wallyroberto_2;52893403]Man you know this dude has a giant freezer full of deer sausages. Hunters don't waste that delicious dear meat.[/QUOTE] No, he really doesn't know. It's hard to talk to someone who doesn't know nor do they care to know about hunting, and think every hunter is like those people in africa killing a lion or tiger.

I have no problem with legal hunting, especially if the animal is being eaten. What's with the language in this article? The deer was 'taken' and 'harvested', as opposed to shot and killed? Are they afraid of these words? Hunting, regardless of its impact on the ecosystem, is still about taking lives of animals. Why dance around it like this?

[QUOTE=discodude;52893445]I have no problem with legal hunting, especially if the animal is being eaten. What's with the language in this article? The deer was 'taken' and 'harvested', as opposed to shot and killed? Are they afraid of these words? Hunting, regardless of its impact on the ecosystem, is still about taking lives of animals. Why dance around it like this?[/QUOTE] Taking a deer is a common phrase here in Indiana at least. "Did you take a deer last season?"

[QUOTE=discodude;52893445]I have no problem with legal hunting, especially if the animal is being eaten. What's with the language in this article? The deer was 'taken' and 'harvested', as opposed to shot and killed? Are they afraid of these words? Hunting, regardless of its impact on the ecosystem, is still about taking lives of animals. Why dance around it like this?[/QUOTE] Why don't we say we went chop down and killed a bunch of corn? Why don't we say we ground up and killed a bunch of sugar cane?

Weird pattern in the antlers. It looks like the velvet calcified somewhat

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52893461]Why don't we say we went chop down and killed a bunch of corn? Why don't we say we ground up and killed a bunch of sugar cane?[/QUOTE] Hunting isn't farming.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52893474]Weird pattern in the antlers. It looks like the velvet calcified somewhat[/QUOTE] Yeah, his antlers are really strange looking. Flat and wide like spades.

[QUOTE=discodude;52893476]Hunting isn't farming.[/QUOTE] And this is an argument how? The word harvest doesn't apply strictly to farming usage.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52893478]Yeah, his antlers are really strange looking. Flat and wide like spades.[/QUOTE] Really uneven too. Possible defect? We see that a lot when deer are accidentally castrated

[QUOTE=discodude;52893445]I have no problem with legal hunting, especially if the animal is being eaten. What's with the language in this article? The deer was 'taken' and 'harvested', as opposed to shot and killed? Are they afraid of these words? Hunting, regardless of its impact on the ecosystem, is still about taking lives of animals. Why dance around it like this?[/QUOTE] "Shot and killed" kinda implies you just left it there to rot when you were done. "Harvest" has connotations of food gathering, which is the purpose of hunting. Matter of fact, I can't imagine anyone who goes out into the woods, shoots a deer, cuts the head off to have it mounted and leaves the rest to rot would be looked on with anything less than contempt by the hunting community.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;52893510]"Shot and killed" kinda implies you just left it there to rot when you were done. "Harvest" has connotations of food gathering, which is the purpose of hunting. Matter of fact, I can't imagine anyone who goes out into the woods, shoots a deer, cuts the head off to have it mounted and leaves the rest to rot would be looked on with anything less than contempt by the hunting community.[/QUOTE] No doubt. I guess I just think it's strange that hunting, which I consider to be a pretty personal, individual act, is being conflated with farming via this terminology, is a pretty impersonal thing for everyone except the actual farmers. Then again, it could just be me reading too far into the vocabulary.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;52893510]"Shot and killed" kinda implies you just left it there to rot when you were done. "Harvest" has connotations of food gathering, which is the purpose of hunting. Matter of fact, I can't imagine anyone who goes out into the woods, shoots a deer, cuts the head off to have it mounted and leaves the rest to rot would be looked on with anything less than contempt by the hunting community.[/QUOTE] I thought the term was "bagged".

[QUOTE=IKTM;52893523]I thought the term was "bagged".[/QUOTE] I'm not a hunter, so I couldn't tell you. I only know what I hear from hunters.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;52893529]I'm not a hunter, so I couldn't tell you. I only know what I hear from hunters.[/QUOTE] I remember my uncle using both as a hunter. I'd ask him which one was more valid if he was still alive but some shit happened with depression so I can't unfortunately

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;52893567]I remember my uncle using both as a hunter. I'd ask him which one was more valid if he was still alive but some shit happened with depression so I can't unfortunately[/QUOTE] It all depends on what the people around you say or the context. Sometimes you use "bagged", sometimes you use "harvested" or "took", sometimes you use "got", sometimes you use "killed", and sometimes "shot". There's no real standard, and it's whatever the person wants to use.

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;52893282]I don't want to turn this into a big vegan thing, but[/QUOTE] Nooooow this line of posts makes sense

I wonder if it dropped a Ghoul Slayer's Gamma Gun or a Two Shot Walking Cane. :v: [QUOTE=kill3r;52892963]Let's keep glorifying hunting woo (I have no issue with hunting/killing animals for [I]necessary resources[/I] ie. food + clothing)[/QUOTE] Pfft. When it comes to deer I'm all in favor of culling as many of those suicidal chucklefucks as we can get away with and not drive them to outright extinction. They're a hazard to motorists and are easily the most dangerous animal in America solely because of their incessant habit of causing MVAs coupled with the enormous range of the country they inhabit. Truthfully, I probably wouldn't shed a tear if they [I]were[/I] driven to extinction. Would mean one less road hazard for me to have to look out for every time I leave my house. But they probably have a valid purpose in nature...fucked if I know, keeping tick populations at bay by grazing down tall grass or some shit? I ain't an animal guy I don't know what deer do in the ecosystem. I just know what they do on the highways. [QUOTE=Cliff2;52892981]It's also necessary because they will overbreed and destroy their ecosystems.[/QUOTE] And kill people when they jump out in front of cars at three in the morning on the interstate/state routes.

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;52893268]Yeah but it isn't "cool" and thus shouldn't be glorified or really even talked about. Exterminators don't talk about their job as if it's totally normal.[/QUOTE] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIWss-_5HGM[/media] Anyway, what people who are anti-hunting (not as in they choose not to, but oppose other people doing so) don't get is that humans are naturally part of the food chain. The same people are often for the earth being as natural as possible, but one of the most natural things is humans hunting for food.

[QUOTE=Lazore;52893060]Yes animals can be a problem if their population is not under control, but it still doesn't call for the glorification of a single kill.[/QUOTE] I'm of the opinion that absolutely as much of an animal should be used as possible if it's killed. We use the meat, grind up the bones and use that for industry, use the organs for more industry, the connective tissue becomes food-glue and other weird shit, the hooves become glue, etc. Obviously this isn't done with solo hunters, but following that same mindset, why not have take pride in it? It just causes more good to come out of the unfortunate fact that some deer [I]have[/I] to die to maintain the ecosystem of in the area. [editline]s[/editline] This is ignoring the fact that expecting hunters to NOT feel pride is stupid because humans literally have evolved to find pleasure in doing it because it was required for survival for a long-ass time. I personally don't hunt, but I totally understand why someone would want to and take pride in it. [editline]16th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Tetracycline;52893268]Yeah but it isn't "cool" and thus shouldn't be glorified or really even talked about. Exterminators don't talk about their job as if it's totally normal.[/QUOTE] They totally do, though.

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;52893268]Yeah but it isn't "cool" and thus shouldn't be glorified or really even talked about. Exterminators don't talk about their job as if it's totally normal.[/QUOTE] I really don't know which exterminators you have met, but the ones I have talked too tend to talk about coyote shooting like it's a game of football. :v:

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;52893510]"Shot and killed" kinda implies you just left it there to rot when you were done. "Harvest" has connotations of food gathering, which is the purpose of hunting. Matter of fact, I can't imagine anyone who goes out into the woods, shoots a deer, cuts the head off to have it mounted and leaves the rest to rot would be looked on with anything less than contempt by the hunting community.[/QUOTE] Its not just morally wrong, its downright illegal. sawing off the head of a deer and just leaving the rest would violate wanton waste laws in every state.

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;52893268]Yeah but it isn't "cool" and thus shouldn't be glorified or really even talked about. Exterminators don't talk about their job as if it's totally normal.[/QUOTE] Exterminator here, I talk about my job as if its completely normal. I've killed literal thousands of mice, couple dozen skunks, some squirrels, who knows how many birds, and uncountable numbers of rats. There is nothing abnormal about my job and theres no reason for me to not take pride in it. My job is fucking awesome and cool as hell. Don't belittle me and my profession The conversations about my job are completely normal, its when people actually see me do the killing is when they get uncomfortable. Myself and other pest control professionals are the only thing keeping rat shit out of your bread and cockroaches out of your dinner. Don't shit on my profession.

Really I'd assume the opposite, that exterminators would tend to be quite... into it? It just seems like one of those professions for certain people, kind of like how morticians tend to be if you get what I mean.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52895077]Exterminator here, I talk about my job as if its completely normal. I've killed literal thousands of mice, couple dozen skunks, some squirrels, who knows how many birds, and uncountable numbers of rats. There is nothing abnormal about my job and theres no reason for me to not take pride in it. My job is fucking awesome and cool as hell. Don't belittle me and my profession The conversations about my job are completely normal, its when people actually see me do the killing is when they get uncomfortable. Myself and other pest control professionals are the only thing keeping rat shit out of your bread and cockroaches out of your dinner. Don't shit on my profession.[/QUOTE] willing to bet $30 that you provide a more essential service to society than he does

[QUOTE]The buck has 30 points on its antlers. Early estimates of a score are in the 225 range. Of course, no official Boone and Crockett score can be made on the deer until a 60-day drying period expires [/QUOTE] I under stand the points are antler tips but can some explain this to me please.

[QUOTE=HiddenShadow;52895926]I under stand the points are antler tips but can some explain this to me please.[/QUOTE] Measuring the [url=https://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/bc_scoring_typwhitetail.asp?area=bgRecords&type=Typical+Whitetail+Deer]entire rack[/url]