[QUOTE=IAreLegend;52713801]I'm gonna be the guy who defends GTA:O in that I like the customisation, & the game world itself is pretty beautiful & nice to look at, and a myriad of other factors
but despite all my hours in GTA:O I absolutely agree that the grinding and imbalances implemented to promote buying shark cards are fucking terrible, and most of the player base are clinically retarded
I'd be really disappointed to see RDR2 go down a similar route[/QUOTE]
GTA:O was great in the beginning when the biggest threat was a tank running around that was kinda OP at first but then they made it a bit easier to kill and you could sticky-bomb it to death fairly quickly. The first few updates were pretty good as well, but it seems as soon as heists released, it all went downhill. Then came vehicles that were nearly invulnerable but made it easy for those driving them to kill others, which of course were too expensive unless you mainlined heists in order to get you to buy shark cards.
It's a shame really, GTA:O had great potential. I loved it when it released on PS3, played it until it released on PC, then played on PC until they made it so you could only run around in either an armored kuruma or an insurgent because people will just blow your shit up since they don't care about paying the insurance fee. It's all about greifing people who can't afford to buy things to defend themselves because everything is locked behind giant paywalls. The entire game is designed to let people buy the most powerful weapons and vehicles with rl money, then use those weapons and vehicles to grief others into getting sick of being killed all the time and they end up buying that stuff themselves.
Just imagine how great the GTAV singleplayer experience could've been if they didn't sink all that money into making a microtransaction machine. Hopefully they use all that ill-gotten money to make a decent PC port of RDR2.
I really don't agree with the sentiment that GTA IV's singleplayer was better than V's. IV's gunplay was unsatisfying and barebones, the vehicles controlled more like boats than cars, the missions themselves were mostly nothing to write home about; the only things that people seem to point out when they hold GTA IV up on a pedestal are the setting/atmosphere, the story, and the tech-demo-y stuff like Euphoria working slightly better.
Pure subjective opinion but the perpetually oppressive and grim "american dream is dead" atmosphere and kind of heavy-handed satire that never turns off didn't do enough for me to warrant how [I]boring[/I] the gameplay was. GTA V's story was definitely wacky, but it led to fun mission scenarios and I grew to kinda [I]like[/I] some of the characters personally, maybe because I didn't get the impression from mission 1 that these guys were all probably fucked from the get-go.
I mean I can enjoy a realistic and gritty experience, but I didn't feel like GTA IV did it in a way that aged super well.
I'll admit that I definitely miss being able to do vehicle holdups in V.
GTA IV had a better story because it actually had a story.
V is just a series of unfortunate events somewhat tied by a loose thread oh and there's a robbery sometimes.
man everyone loved gta v when it came out
hating it in retrospect doesn't make sense when you enjoyed it initially
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;52722188]the vehicles controlled more like boats than cars,[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, the vehicle handling in IV might be the clunkiest I've ever seen. Everything handles like there's a pile of bricks in the trunk.
I've liked every main GTA game from III up to V. And that's every aspect, including the story, gameplay, etc.
GTA Online is pretty bullshit in V nowadays, but I won't deny that I had a lot of fun with it for a good bit of time.
Do some of the older games do things better than the newer ones? Sure, but that doesn't detract from the newer games still being great games.
The real question is, with Benzies gone from R* (the guy who basically ushered in R*'s "golden age" from GTA III onward, and who pretty much saved RDR's development by some accounts), will RDR 2 be a good R* game?
[QUOTE=Eric95;52722415]man everyone loved gta v when it came out
hating it in retrospect doesn't make sense when you enjoyed it initially[/QUOTE]
To be fair, when talking about the story, a lot of people probably hadn't finished it yet when they had initial reactions. Plus sometimes you need to sit on a story. I've seen movies where I enjoyed watching it, and the next day realized "wow that was actually really stupid".
[QUOTE=Eric95;52722415]man everyone loved gta v when it came out
hating it in retrospect doesn't make sense when you enjoyed it initially[/QUOTE]
You can think of it like GTA V being a pop song with a catchy tune on the first few listens that make you like it, then on repeated listens it's this generic boring song that you want to stop hearing because you've already taken everything that it has to offer
GTA V is wonderfully streamlined and a nice technical upgrade from IV that makes it fun to jump in to, but to some people doesn't have the substance required to...maintain the facade, if you will.
Who is Rockstar Studios? They're developing the game but can't get any info on them, it just redirects me to Rockstars subsidiaries, which it is not a part of. Is it a collaborative thing between a couple of the branches or something specific for the game?
[QUOTE=Megadave;52722555]Who is Rockstar Studios? They're developing the game but can't get any info on them, it just redirects me to Rockstars subsidiaries, which it is not a part of. Is it a collaborative thing between a couple of the branches or something specific for the game?[/QUOTE]
Probably several studios, considering they have so many branches.
[QUOTE=RedDagger;52722548]You can think of it like GTA V being a pop song with a catchy tune on the first few listens that make you like it, then on repeated listens it's this generic boring song that you want to stop hearing because you've already taken everything that it has to offer
GTA V is wonderfully streamlined and a nice technical upgrade from IV that makes it fun to jump in to, but to some people doesn't have the substance required to...maintain the facade, if you will.[/QUOTE]
well sure but isn't the initial experience the one that matters? it obviously holds up for the 30 or so hours it takes to complete the main story, anything after that is like complaining a movie is predictable because you've already seen it
[QUOTE=Megadave;52722555]Who is Rockstar Studios? They're developing the game but can't get any info on them, it just redirects me to Rockstars subsidiaries, which it is not a part of. Is it a collaborative thing between a couple of the branches or something specific for the game?[/QUOTE]
That's basically all the different studios working together, though with RDR2 (as with GTA V) R* North is the "main" studio.
[QUOTE=Eric95;52722580]well sure but isn't the initial experience the one that matters? it obviously holds up for the 30 or so hours it takes to complete the main story, anything after that is like complaining a movie is predictable because you've already seen it[/QUOTE]
That'll depend from one person to the next - if someone cares about the deeper part of the game then it really matters, if someone cares about the story then it matters, if someone's looking for a fun sandbox to dick around in then it doesn't really matter, if someone's not too bothered about the deeper meta game-y stuff then it doesn't matter.
Nothin' wrong with saying it sucks even if you enjoy(ed) it.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52713158]Respectfully (really), the fact that you can say that seriously is baffling to me knowing that [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_V"][I]extensively marketed and widely anticipated, the game broke industry sales records and became the fastest-selling entertainment product in history, earning US $800 million in its first day and US $1 billion in its first three days.[/I][/URL]
Not what I meant. Simply that not everyone will enjoy its sort of humor, which is a bit special.
That was exactly the point though: an over-the-top game that's also meant to be relatable. But yes, how much it's succeeded at that is debatable, but it didn't bother me.
The ending choice was mostly added to give the player the ability to get rid of one of the two most detestable player characters if the player really hates them to a point where they want them to die. It also serves as shock value for the player, but that vanished pretty quickly after launch, expectedly. Rockstar wanted to make it memorable like Marston's death, but they didn't succeed.
It's a weird thing to say. You enjoyed it while you played it, but then you realized it wasn't good? Don't you think it's possible you succumbed to an exterior bias of some sorts? Or that you simply got bored of it?
Personally, I've seen a lot of people go from "GTA V is awesome!" to "GTA V is okay I guess" to "GTA V is shit and has never been fun", all in the space of a couple of months. And it's hard for me to believe that all the bad press regarding the multiplayer and Rockstar had nothing to do with it.[/QUOTE]
No the story was legitimately not good, no matter what you chose. Nothing made sense, plotholes right and left and the whole thing was basically written just to move the player from setpiece to setpiece that they created.
[QUOTE=Eric95;52722415]man everyone loved gta v when it came out
hating it in retrospect doesn't make sense when you enjoyed it initially[/QUOTE]
As I said it's a matter of lasting impact. I liked GTA V at release and to be perfectly honest I still really like driving around in it, but after I was done with the story and most of its content it took me some time to process it and realize it wasn't all that good.
Funnily enough this thread has made me want to reinstall GTA V just to mess about in the world, customize cars and whatnot, but having to go through the story is what is holding me back. It wasn't very enjoyable and there are some really shitty moments I'd rather not go through again.
[QUOTE=Eric95;52722580]well sure but isn't the initial experience the one that matters? it obviously holds up for the 30 or so hours it takes to complete the main story, anything after that is like complaining a movie is predictable because you've already seen it[/QUOTE]
People who watch films just to see something unexpected are actively ruining films. People always complain that they saw the ending coming. Not everything is meant to be a bloody twist. Some things are meant to be good regardless of whether you know what's going to happen or not.
[QUOTE=Killuah;52722685]No the story was legitimately not good, no matter what you chose. Nothing made sense, plotholes right and left and the whole thing was basically written just to move the player from setpiece to setpiece that they created.[/QUOTE]
I'm not even gonna dispute that. But the set pieces were great.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;52722834]i dont know what relevance this has to what he said
hes saying if you enjoyed the story thoroughly on release, isn't that enough[/QUOTE]
If something is only enjoyable the first time, and doesn't stand up to critical thought or repeat viewings/playthroughs then it isn't really good at all IMO. Also, people who are only into a film or game to be surprised are actively ruining the mediums by complaining that things aren't shocking or surprising when they aren't meant to be.
Sorry I didn't make that clear in my other post.
[QUOTE=Killuah;52722685]No the story was legitimately not good, no matter what you chose. Nothing made sense, plotholes right and left and the whole thing was basically written just to move the player from setpiece to setpiece that they created.[/QUOTE]
You know what, when it comes to GTAV, I'm completely okay with that. The story may not have been very good, but the game overall was very fun. I've played through the entire campaign about 5 times across 2 consoles and PC, and I see myself replaying it even more in the future. It's just a [i]fun[/i] game.
That's not even counting how many hours I've spent in freeroam, especially on PC with mods. If they had matched that fun gameplay with great setpieces [i]alongside[/i] a great story, I think it would've been one of the best games I've ever played. I think if they just would've focused on one character (being Michael, who feels like the main protagonist) instead of 3, and maybe done a The Lost and Damned/The Ballad of Gay Tony with Trevor and Franklin, where the only time they interfaced was during heists and otherwise did their own thing, it would've been a much better game.
Hopefully they learned from their mistakes doing GTAV and don't fuck up RDR2. If they used GTA:O profits to fund RDR2 and it's amazing I might forgive them, as long as it comes to PC.
Red dead pre-demption :v:
[QUOTE=Eric95;52722415]man everyone loved gta v when it came out
hating it in retrospect doesn't make sense when you enjoyed it initially[/QUOTE]
Playing it at launch means I hadn't played the campaign or even been able to play GTAO because it was offline for a week.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;52722847]If something is only enjoyable the first time, and doesn't stand up to critical thought or repeat viewings/playthroughs then it isn't really good at all IMO.[/QUOTE]
that doesn't make any sense, if you get 30 hours of enjoyment out of your purchase you're getting your money's worth
[QUOTE=RichyZ;52723201]youd be wrong because i got the game on its ps3 launch and had no issues playing through the campaign[/quote]
Uh when did I say there were issues playing the campaign? I said that I hadn't played it at launch. I'm not a games journalist, I don't get early copies.
[quote]gtao wasnt available until like, a month later, and wasn't functional until 2 weeks into that month, but thats besides the point[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't consider 13 days "a month later" but you do you. Didn't feel like looking it up, but if we're discussing it anyway then whoops looks like I was wrong it was [I]two[/I] weeks.
And I mean it was "functional" at its launch. Couldn't connect to R* servers to save progress, but I had plenty of fun blasting people with my R* Social Club shotgun because this was an era before everyone had ridiculous bullshit weapons and when they decided to try and come kill me it wasn't going to work out for them.
[editline]27th September 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Eric95;52723238]that doesn't make any sense, if you get 30 hours of enjoyment out of your purchase you're getting your money's worth[/QUOTE]
When it comes to triple-A games I believe firmly in dollar-per-hour. If I don't get at least 60 hours out of my $60 purchase, it's a waste of money.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52722816]I'm not even gonna dispute that. But the set pieces were great.[/QUOTE]
True dat.
I just didn't like how in the end they basically resolve the bad situation they are in by simply killing the guy
[QUOTE=gk99;52723270]Uh when did I say there were issues playing the campaign? I said that I hadn't played it at launch. I'm not a games journalist, I don't get early copies.[/QUOTE]
i was obviously not talking about the literal day it came out when i said "when it came out"
[QUOTE=Killuah;52723288]True dat.
I just didn't like how in the end they basically resolve the bad situation they are in by simply killing the guy[/QUOTE]
It keeps coming back to this but I don't get how it means GTA V was a bad game and an indicator that RDR2 will also be a bad game.
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;52722188]I really don't agree with the sentiment that GTA IV's singleplayer was better than V's. IV's gunplay was unsatisfying and barebones, the vehicles controlled more like boats than cars, the missions themselves were mostly nothing to write home about; the only things that people seem to point out when they hold GTA IV up on a pedestal are the setting/atmosphere, the story, and the tech-demo-y stuff like Euphoria working slightly better.
Pure subjective opinion but the perpetually oppressive and grim "american dream is dead" atmosphere and kind of heavy-handed satire that never turns off didn't do enough for me to warrant how [I]boring[/I] the gameplay was. GTA V's story was definitely wacky, but it led to fun mission scenarios and I grew to kinda [I]like[/I] some of the characters personally, maybe because I didn't get the impression from mission 1 that these guys were all probably fucked from the get-go.
I mean I can enjoy a realistic and gritty experience, but I didn't feel like GTA IV did it in a way that aged super well.
I'll admit that I definitely miss being able to do vehicle holdups in V.[/QUOTE]
I think the whole euphoria system used in GTAIV and RDR I guess (which you referred to as "tech-demo-y stuff") was the biggest selling point for me. I found the gunplay and the whole npc motion system so fun to play with, that I could never enjoy GTAV when I first tried it. You seemed to have agreed or like GTAIV's gritty and realistic feeling; I couldn't get enough of it.
Obviously GTAV did everything else better. More vehicles&guns, bigger map, more customization, more activities, more music etc., plus the performance was way better on release. But then, GTAV was released 3 times; last gen, next gen and PC. Plus the First Person update thingy that happened.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;52723285]i consider it a month later considering it was a month before it was in a playable state, and if you seriously didn't even play the sp portion of a game i can only assume you bought on launch, i dont think youre in any position to talk about the sp portion of said game[/QUOTE]
Are you actually incapable of reading and understanding what I'm saying or is this a strawman
either way I cba to repeat myself a third time
[QUOTE=Eric95;52722415]man everyone loved gta v when it came out
hating it in retrospect doesn't make sense when you enjoyed it initially[/QUOTE]
It feels sometimes like everyone just grows to loathe whatever they're currently playing or whatever the most recent thing to come out in a franchise is no matter what it is
like you start to get tired of it and you start nitpicking and start getting into internet fights and in no time at all This Is The Shittiest Game Of All Time
Not to imply that peoples' critiques aren't genuine but I've noticed this phenomena a lot with games lately. I'm pretty dang bitter and depressed lately and I really don't think video games are in that bad of a place right now.
[QUOTE=Eric95;52722415]man everyone loved gta v when it came out
hating it in retrospect doesn't make sense when you enjoyed it initially[/QUOTE]
I feel it's more of people hating on GTA V because of GTA Online and for what it had become and what it has turned Rockstar into.
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