NPR tweets the Declaration of Independence for July 4th, hilarity ensues - Sensationalist Headlines

To be honest if I had just happened to see an isolated tweet from them l might not have recognized it either. Its not something most people memorize. "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is really the only passage I could tell you.

[QUOTE=laserpanda;52435621]To be honest if I had just happened to see an isolated tweet from them l might not have recognized it either. Its not something most people memorize. "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is really the only passage I could tell you.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but the fact that people see the decleration of independance as an attack of Trump That's just far out

[QUOTE=Govna;52435510]Cool. Now you know why our government and society are so fucked up. Democracy fails when its citizens are allowed to be absurdly uninformed yet still make decisions about things which are clearly beyond their capabilities. Worse still, we have a culture that fosters the belief that opinions are just as valuable as facts are; it's a tactful way of saying, "My ignorance is just as good as others' knowledge," which simply isn't true. I don't think you'll see this anywhere clearer than in the climate change debate, for example. People who normally would go to the doctor if they had a medical issue or go to a mechanic if their car had a problem think they know more than actual educated and experienced scientists who spend their lives studying it do. That's a serious barrier when it comes to creating and enacting policy. Birthright democracy has a shitload of problems, and that's what makes it so dangerously self-destructive-- especially when you're dealing with people like this who reacted so irrationally against NPR on Twitter. You can bet that these people are politically-active. The loudest ones always are. Voting, forming political opinions, and participating in government are skills dude. They have to be learned and cultivated, yet we don't treat them like skills for some bizarre reason. So in the end, this is what we wind up with.[/QUOTE] I would much rather have people be able to vote like was given as a right, than to block it behind some wall that will be difficult to enforce regardless. You're right that people believe opinions are just as valuable, but you think your method will change much? People still will focus on their own opinions, and block out whatever doesn't fall in line with their thinking. [QUOTE=gokiyono;52435650]Yeah, but the fact that people see the decleration of independance as an attack of Trump That's just far out[/QUOTE] Agreed. That shows that subconsciously they believe something is wrong, and that's an acknowledgement in of itself.

[QUOTE=Govna;52435510]Cool. Now you know why our government and society are so fucked up. Democracy fails when its citizens are allowed to be absurdly uninformed yet still make decisions about things which are clearly beyond their capabilities. Worse still, we have a culture that fosters the belief that opinions are just as valuable as facts are; it's a tactful way of saying, "My ignorance is just as good as others' knowledge," which simply isn't true. I don't think you'll see this anywhere clearer than in the climate change debate, for example. People who normally would go to the doctor if they had a medical issue or go to a mechanic if their car had a problem think they know more than actual educated and experienced scientists who spend their lives studying it do. That's a serious barrier when it comes to creating and enacting policy.[/QUOTE] With psychology papers replicating less than 40%, dietary advice reversing after 30 years of fatphobia, macroeconomic analysis working worse than astrology, and pharmaceutical trials replicating at best only 1/3 of the time, people are perfectly entitled to rely on their own ancestral instinct (even if it is wrong) democracy works when it is in union with the people (you can vote and have significant power on daily affairs). it works least well when you vote for representatives who take policy advice from "experts" who are rarely in tune with the actual needs of the population the reason a lot of people are often skeptical of global warming and vaccines isn't so much to do with these peoples ignorance as it is the often two-faced and hypocritical nature of the politicians and self-styled experts who have a shitty track record. if you want to fix society and government, you need to hold these psuedoexperts and other idiots to account instead of further divorcing them from the voting population (those that can actually remove them from power) and entrenching them so that when they do make a wrong decision (which is often), nothing can be done to really punish those responsible nor remove them from power

[QUOTE=Chonch;52435441]That's a pretty clever thing to do. I'm glad I pay taxes for this.[/QUOTE] Clever lol it's the fucking Declaration and they posted it on the 4th. The posts would've been completely innocuous if people (and by the look of it, lots of Trump supporters) hadn't recognized criticisms of the sitting president in one of the [I]founding documents of our republic[/I] (or if our sitting president wasn't blatantly and routinely violating the principles laid out in said document). But right it's NPR being "clever."

[QUOTE=Chonch;52435441]That's a pretty clever thing to do. I'm glad I pay taxes for this.[/QUOTE] It's okay Your clown defunded them so now the nation can get even stupider, and even less informed and you can rejoice about that

How dare Thomas Jefferson write that piece of classical liberal filth, everyone knows that list of grievances against King George III was fake news.

Its ridiculous that conservatives think themselves superior and tougher skinned than those triggered liberals yet they go into red alert when a whiff of an insult to their dear leader is in the air.

Make America Great Again, reunify under the Crown God save the queen

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;52434577]Yes, because shit like this is taught in our schools. People ought to know their laws, etc. Else people get caught up in identity politics or [del]bribed[/del] lobbied politicians rise to power.[/QUOTE] i sort of missed the whole 'memorize the entire declaration of independence' unit

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;52440883]i sort of missed the whole 'memorize the entire declaration of independence' unit[/QUOTE] I can 100% guarantee one of your history classes covered the preamble which is sufficient to recognize what they were posting. Also any idiot could recognize they weren't talking about Trump once they start listing off the grievances the Continental Congress had with King George. Or are Trumpets so delusional that they actually think liberals believe Trump has dissolved the Representative Houses repeatedly or "has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people."

Even if you don't know much of the declaration of independence word for word, the language and tone is rather distinct.

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;52440883]i sort of missed the whole 'memorize the entire declaration of independence' unit[/QUOTE] I don't remember all of it either, but I'm pretty sure looking up the comment chain I'd have picked up on bits and pieces of it.

[QUOTE=Anderan;52440960]I can 100% guarantee one of your history classes covered the preamble which is sufficient to recognize what they were posting. Also any idiot could recognize they weren't talking about Trump once they start listing off the grievances the Continental Congress had with King George. Or are Trumpets so delusional that they actually think liberals believe Trump has dissolved the Representative Houses repeatedly or "has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people."[/QUOTE] That doesn't matter. take any given post out of context of the rest and it doesn't make any sense at all, obviously. [editline]7th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Zero-Point;52441014]I don't remember all of it either, but I'm pretty sure looking up the comment chain I'd have picked up on bits and pieces of it.[/QUOTE] and yeah you are the kind of person to look at a news bit's source before judgment too, presumably. that's not true for most people. most people are stupid.

boy trump supporters are fucking DUMB

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;52441216]That doesn't matter. take any given post out of context of the rest and it doesn't make any sense at all, obviously.[/QUOTE] It was posted on the 4th of July, that alone is enough context to at least look at the other posts. Also considering the formatting of several of the posts it's obvious they are parts of a greater whole. Again, you don't need to have the entire Declaration of Independence memorized, there's enough there even out of context that it is obvious what was being posted.

[QUOTE=Nautsabes;52441228]boy trump supporters are fucking DUMB[/QUOTE] And just as many who don't support him are equally fucking dumb, considering most of the tweets could have been made by anybody.

[QUOTE=ProfHappycat7;52434493]How can you be this stupid[/QUOTE] [quote] Donald Trump [/quote]

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;52441274]And just as many who don't support him are equally fucking dumb, considering most of the tweets could have been made by anybody.[/QUOTE] Based on the response, apparently non-trump supporters cannot be dumb, makes perfect sense

"All this talk about overthrowing tyrants must be a political agenda against trump! It's obvious npr is looking to overthrow our president!!" "Actually that's the declaration of independence...they're talking about king george." "O-oh......." [editline]10th July 2017[/editline] Maybe trump supporters who get mad over stuff like this should take some time to reflect on why it might just be that any rhetoric like this against authoritarian figures gets them so riled up and thinking it's anti trump

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;52449515]Based on the response, apparently non-trump supporters cannot be dumb, makes perfect sense[/QUOTE] Did you just reply to yourself? I mean I'm glad Trump supporters correlated the events in the [B]Declaration of Independence[/B] to the President because they acknowledge something is wrong by doing so.

[QUOTE=Rossy167;52435242]Ahh fair enough. My bad, I'm English, can't claim to be an expert on America. Will say though, that I guess what I said applies to either one(?)[/QUOTE] the declaration of independence is exactly what it sounds like, the us declaring independence. it's essentially a long ass letter telling great Britain to fuck right off. it wasn't about establishing laws. How did you not learn about this in any world history classes??

[QUOTE=Kagu;52453990]Did you just reply to yourself?[/QUOTE] He's whining about the ratings on the post he replied to because he totally missed the point of what people are actually arguing to him. [editline]10th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Radio Yes;52454205]the declaration of independence is exactly what it sounds like, the us declaring independence. it's essentially a long ass letter telling great Britain to fuck right off. it wasn't about establishing laws. How did you not learn about this in any world history classes??[/QUOTE] Depending on the school your world history class (or even an American history class) may not cover the actual contents of the Declaration. Mine never did despite spending a fair chunk of time on the Revolutionary War.