Swedish brothers convicted of more than 1,000 rapes of children - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=kaskade700;52986862]Yes it's all about the prison sentencing and not the welfare model that's keeping people out of desperation crime... (This is in response to the low crimerates, i do believe in rehabilitation) There's a big chance that after these 12 years are up they will answer to new charges or they will be deemed unfit for society in another way that will keep them locked up. It's the same here in Denmark, we have a maximum sentence of about 15 years but we have plenty of inmates who will never know the outside again.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, that absolutely plays a factor too. In general, they've got their social welfare and justice system well sorted. No system is perfect, but Scandinavia's is still a cut above the rest. It's a model all should aspire to.

I'm amazed that some people here think 12 years is a light sentence. [I]12 fucking years[/I], and it will get renewed if they're not ready to go back out into the public. It's especially strange when Americans complain about light sentencing, considering their harsh prisons and long sentences are world-renowned for being trash.

[QUOTE=Bertie;52986912]I'm amazed that some people here think 12 years is a light sentence. [I]12 fucking years[/I], and it will get renewed if they're not ready to go back out into the public. It's especially strange when Americans complain about light sentencing, considering their harsh prisons and long sentences are world-renowned for being trash.[/QUOTE] It's kind of because it is, relative to what we tend to give out. We very freely throw around much worse. Albeit, often you don't serve the whole thing. But yeah, people really don't think much about how long a sentence really is. Most people speaking about criminology are generally speaking with a massive amount of terrible assumptions and biases that work against them if their goal is to reduce crime.

Prisons are an industry in America. They're not designed to reduce crime.

[QUOTE=IKTM;52987092]Prisons are an industry in America. They're not designed to reduce crime.[/QUOTE] We have that, but I don't consider it the whole cause. Unfortunate truth is that most people have supported the "tough on crime" approach and believe that deterrance works. The industry may help keep technocrats from solving the problem though.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52986854] [editline]18th December 2017[/editline] Also, finding it more than a little amusing that Tudd, posting yet another article in defense of his propagandist perspective that Sweden is somehow the world capital of rapist safe havens, accidentally posted an article that fully and completely explains why Sweden's statistics of sexual assaults seem high (namely, that the definition of sexual assault is significantly wider, and that each [I]instance[/I] of sexual assault, even between the same offender and victim, is recorded as a separate event). When propaganda backfires.[/QUOTE] Or maybe it had nothing to do with "propaganda" and I don't hate Sweden or its prison system at all. Might just be I posted news and now silly people interject their warped view on why this article is posted.

I just find it a bit odd that you post Swedish news so often.

[QUOTE=Kazumi;52987575]I just find it a bit odd that you post Swedish news so often.[/QUOTE] I read theLocal.de and so sometimes I flip over to the other countries just to see what they are up to. Sweden itself just happens to have crazier stories like this. I knew posting this that some people would say this is part of a propaganda campaign, despite it not making sense on why it fits that narrative at the same time.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52985230]I've reached a point where if I see a thread in Sensationalist Headlines about Sweden I [I]know[/I] Tudd posted it.[/QUOTE] This [I]really[/I] isn't a Tudd thread.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52987567]Or maybe it had nothing to do with "propaganda" and I don't hate Sweden or its prison system at all. Might just be I posted news and now silly people interject their warped view on why this article is posted.[/QUOTE] Ever read the story about the boy who cried wolf? It's really good tbh

[QUOTE=Tudd;52987586]Sweden itself just happens to have crazier stories like this.[/QUOTE] Really, compared to which country? :v:

[QUOTE=Boss;52985640]Scandinavia is known for its light sentences, warped sense of rehabilitation is main driver.[/QUOTE] Not that you're interested in the truth, but I don't think the justice system has any plans to rehabilitate these two and put them back out into society. They will almost certainly be in for life. After their sentence is "up", the court re-examines them and decides whether to release them or extend the sentence. 12 years is the maximum possible single sentence.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52989470]Not that you're interested in the truth, but I don't think the justice system has any plans to rehabilitate these two and put them back out into society. They will almost certainly be in for life. After their sentence is "up", the court re-examines them and decides whether to release them or extend the sentence. 12 years is the maximum possible single sentence.[/QUOTE] So basically, what Sweden states as the sentence is what would be the parole minimum in the US, with no actual set maximum?

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;52989484]So basically, what Sweden states as the sentence is what would be the parole minimum in the US, with no actual set maximum?[/QUOTE] That's my understanding of it, yeah, but ask a Genuine Swede to confirm

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;52989484]So basically, what Sweden states as the sentence is what would be the parole minimum in the US, with no actual set maximum?[/QUOTE] No they got 12 and 14 years. Swedish 'life in prison' sentence is actually for life but they will on average serve 16 years, most people who get life in prison are murderers.

The notion some of you have that getting a 14 year long prison sentence that is actually for life goes against the rule of law, isn't compatible with a [i]rechtsstaat[/i] and is of course not how the Swedish system works. This will probably upset a lot of people, but in Sweden you only serve 2/3 of your sentence, and then you are released. If you commit any crimes during the time you should be in prison you serve the rest of your time. During this time you are regularly going to meetings and getting help readjusting to society and perhaps some help regarding the crime you were committed of. So the one guy who got 14 years will only spend a little more than 9 and a half years. The other who was sentenced to 12 years will only be in prison for 8. Source: [url]https://www.kriminalvarden.se/for-domd-eller-haktad/domd-till-fangelse/villkorlig-frigivning/[/url] Say what you will about the Swedish system but it works pretty alright I think. If your mind are more tuned to see bad people suffer you can take solice in the fact that these people will probably never have a job again. They will never be able to make friends. What they have done will always be a google search away. These people will by no means have an easy rest of their life. Personally I would much rather have them not put a strain on the prison system and get active help in their daily life so they can try to find some meaning with their life that doesn't involve hurting children.

[QUOTE=IQ-Guldfisk;52990492]The notion some of you have that getting a 14 year long prison sentence that is actually for life goes against the rule of law, isn't compatible with a [i]rechtsstaat[/i] and is of course not how the Swedish system works. This will probably upset a lot of people, but in Sweden you only serve 2/3 of your sentence, and then you are released. If you commit any crimes during the time you should be in prison you serve the rest of your time. During this time you are regularly going to meetings and getting help readjusting to society and perhaps some help regarding the crime you were committed of. So the one guy who got 14 years will only spend a little more than 9 and a half years. The other who was sentenced to 12 years will only be in prison for 8. Source: [url]https://www.kriminalvarden.se/for-domd-eller-haktad/domd-till-fangelse/villkorlig-frigivning/[/url] Say what you will about the Swedish system but it works pretty alright I think. If your mind are more tuned to see bad people suffer you can take solice in the fact that these people will probably never have a job again. They will never be able to make friends. What they have done will always be a google search away. These people will by no means have an easy rest of their life. Personally I would much rather have them not put a strain on the prison system and get active help in their daily life so they can try to find some meaning with their life that doesn't involve hurting children.[/QUOTE] Anything is better than the US system. There are prisoners who are released from Prison, straight from Segregation. So they've had no contact with people for days, and then get put into the real world.