California becomes first state to ban sale of pets from puppy mills - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=paindoc;52782355]I'm sorry, but that's pretty hard to buy into. Puppy mills are one thing, but I wouldn't hold up backyard breeders - or people breeding large quantities of dogs - as ideal role models. How often does he perform full health checks on his breeding pairs? How much socialization, tempering, training, and interaction does he get with all of his puppies? How much does he make? (most ideal breeders make fuck-all) Puppy Mills are often rated okay by the USDA, but they are [I]not[/I] an ideal environment for a puppy to be raised in and many will leave (even the "nicer" mills) with behavioral issues and a lack of any real training (and yes, you can actually achieve a lot before they leave at 8wks). They are the product of a inhumane, industrial-sized demand for puppies and that's just not ideal. Getting an animal from a shelter allows shelter personnel to match you with a dog fit for your lifestyle and what you want, and these dogs are all thoroughly evaluated (and often treated for severe medical and behavioral issues) before being adopted out. I've got no huge quantity of love for local shelters either, since dogs are in such high demand here in WA that shelters are extremely demanding (i.e, want proof of income, 4 non-familial references, rights to visit at any time, rights to take dog back at anytime, etc) and they all turned me down. I ended up driving to Fresno, California to pick up my dog lol [editline]15th October 2017[/editline] Designer breeds upset me, both because I'm irritated with the demand for them and saddened by the dogs who live with physical and mental ailments[/QUOTE] the dude used to cry every time he sold off a puppy. it's not a money making scheme for him, he just really loves english bulldogs and found a way to support himself by being surrounded by goofy dogs 24/7. every animal he has gets checkups twice a year and the minute one shows signs of being sick he brings them to the vet, he researches the genealogy of every dog he brings in, he offsets breeding periods so he doesn't end up with too much training work on his hands and so that he doesn't tire out the dogs, he does everything you or I would do for every new puppy, and on top of all that he does background checks on everyone he's going to sell a dog to and checks out the buyers living arrangements to see if the person would be a suitable caretaker, and even if those checks come back clean he won't sell it to someone who gives him a bad vibe. the dude makes enough to care for his dogs and not much else, he paid for his house during his time as an auto mechanic and eats off food stamps. he told proudly me once that his annual profit that year was a whopping 5 grand not all puppy mills are some dude trying to make money at the cost of the dogs quality of life. some people just want to be surrounded by dogs all the time and need a way to support that habit.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;52779403]When people make fun of animal right activist they're mostly making fun of PETA for being contradictory, saying all animals are precious but mass killing dogs and cats because they can't find homes. And before anyone says "well they can't be allocated", I find that rubbish. A lot of shelters keep ahold of pets for as long as they can, PETA just kills them as soon as they walk into their care[/QUOTE] The most insidious part is that they become the face of "protecting" animals to too many who can't be bothered to look into it, putting people off from worthy causes because it creates too much noise. It's a potent recipe to making people ignore injustices.

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;52782331]where am I supposed to get my toadline double-SMASHED and SLAMMED male microbullies now? [img]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0996/1308/files/miagi-american-bully-extreme_large.jpg?751148499235836481[/img][/QUOTE] as funny as that shit is as a /an/ meme it's fucking disgusting [t]http://i.imgur.com/lwT8U9u.jpg[/t] [t]https://68.media.tumblr.com/c0564d7e6b5e1f28344303fecb03938f/tumblr_inline_np8jowHQH01rzka8z_540.png[/t] "pyramid skeem"

My first two dogs were purchased from a store that was discovered to be selling sick dogs. Needless to say they aren't in business anymore. They both lasted a long time though with only the first having any real health issues. Second one lived a little longer without any complications. My current two I got a couple years back before the second one passed and we got them from a shelter who rescued their parents from a hoarder house. My god they are adorable, one of them hated being held and cuddled as a pup and would growl at you but my mom got to him and now he constantly tries to scoot next to you to be as close as possible. The other immediately sits in your lap when you sit on the floor. I hope the rest of the country follows with this.

[QUOTE=Araknid;52784379]as funny as that shit is as a /an/ meme it's fucking disgusting [t]http://i.imgur.com/lwT8U9u.jpg[/t] [t]https://68.media.tumblr.com/c0564d7e6b5e1f28344303fecb03938f/tumblr_inline_np8jowHQH01rzka8z_540.png[/t] "pyramid skeem"[/QUOTE] The way that that advertisement is worded reminded me of how I used to hear kids advertising trading cards. Then I realized that that's pretty much exactly what this is, but with dogs instead of cards. Why are purebreds valuable, again?

[QUOTE=phygon;52788147]The way that that advertisement is worded reminded me of how I used to hear kids advertising trading cards. Then I realized that that's pretty much exactly what this is, but with dogs instead of cards. Why are purebreds valuable, again?[/QUOTE] "Because incest for the wincest" Basically the perception that purebred = good healthy dog even though it's the opposite. Oh and "o look at his face is so cuuuute even tho he's got breathing problems worse than a person with lungs full of sand! So cute!!!1!".

[QUOTE=phygon;52788147]The way that that advertisement is worded reminded me of how I used to hear kids advertising trading cards. Then I realized that that's pretty much exactly what this is, but with dogs instead of cards. Why are purebreds valuable, again?[/QUOTE] Fashion symbols. I'd rather have a healthy dog that's a little bit of a mix than a inbred handicapped violent retard that's supposedly "purebred"

This is a very good step to stop the illegal dog breeding business. These restrictions include limiting the number of litters a female dog could produce in her lifetime. Breeders who fail to meet the standards would be banned from selling dogs. But there are also some good dog breeders. A breeder store name "Seminole Kennels" is there near our house. Variety of dogs are available there also they are providing good services. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("shill" - GunFox))[/highlight]

What's with people wanting to own deformed pets? Looking up 'Toadline dogs' made me think of the failed Ripley clones from Alien Resurrection.

[QUOTE=NancyWills;52975100]This is a very good step to stop the illegal dog breeding business. These restrictions include limiting the number of litters a female dog could produce in her lifetime. Breeders who fail to meet the standards would be banned from selling dogs. But there are also some good dog breeders. A breeder store name "Seminole Kennels" is there near our house. Variety of dogs are available there also they are providing good services.[/QUOTE] Registration email: [email]seminolekennelsuser@gmail.com[/email] Shill harder. Also sheepadoodles? Is there no low to which we will not stoop in dog breeding? EDIT: A quick google search shows that Nancy Wills, unsurprisingly, appears to be the proprietor of the kennel.

[QUOTE=phygon;52788147]Why are purebreds valuable, again?[/QUOTE] Purebreds mattered in the past more when breeds were built for actual specific tasks, such as shepherding, rescuing, tracking, hunting specific game (birds, bears, foxes, deer, etc), mousers, assisting in the collection of game (i.e. retrievers), work labor, guarding land, scouting (i.e. watchdogs that aren't built for combat but are still alert) or are bred for or sport (bulldogs, greyhounds). Certain breeds were inherently superior for tasks, so you would obtain a breed for it's abilities, rather than it's looks. With the advent of modern technology, most jobs for dogs outside of entertainment, training for compound detection, shepherding and guarding/watching homes have been obsoleted and breeds have been globalized in availability, so now people usually obtain them for the ones that appeal to them visually the most. As purebreeds originally were valuable for their abilities rather than appearance, they retained this sense of value even when they became more common, as people justify the price being high by, well, seeing that the price is more expensive. Probably one of the biggest tragedies breeding-wise on this conversion of interest from ability to appearance is the bull terrier, which has been bred more and more to give it a more unusual snout instead of the more muscular and "normal" snout it had in the past, as interest in it has gone from it's ability to clamp down on livestock to having a more distinct and bizarre look. [T]https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/01.jpg?w=582&h=204[/T]