Teacher quits after primary school students threaten to behead her - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=shad0w440;51969541]Bring back corporal punishment in schools, a hard paddle would set these boys straight. TBH most schools in the world would be much better places if there were actual and immediate concequences to acting like a shithead rather than just suspension which are basically vacation days.[/QUOTE] corporal punishment would only emphasize radical views though.

Tudd back with the muslim news :/ Getting sort of tired of this one-sided narrative from you. I mean, obviously this is a bad case and all, but it's so obvious what you're doing.

[QUOTE=Pascall;51969658]We absolutely do not still need corporal punishment and anyone who says we do does not and should not ever work in an educational environment. Jesus.[/QUOTE] But I turned out fine! /s

[QUOTE=Pascall;51969658]We absolutely do not still need corporal punishment and anyone who says we do does not and should not ever work in an educational environment. Jesus.[/QUOTE] Where do we draw the line then? These teachers are having their lives threatened and under the current system all they can really do sit on their hands and say "that's not very nice billy go to the principals office, or don't, I'm not allowed to touch you so I can't force you to do anything so please if you aren't going to listen to me just sit quietly and don't disrupt the class until the police arrive because they have the authority to physically remove you from my classroom."

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51969736]corporal punishment would only emphasize radical views though.[/QUOTE] Actually there are studies to paint a different picture on what really influences radicalization. [quote]Bio-terrorism / Terrorism Public Health Risk factors for violent radicalization: youth, wealth and education MNT Knowledge Center Adapted Media Release Published: Friday 21 March 2014 email152SHARE 2 New research from Queen Mary University of London has found youth, wealth, and being in full-time education to be risk factors associated with violent radicalisation. Contrary to popular views - religious practice, health and social inequalities, discrimination, and political engagement showed no links. The pioneering research assessed population prevalence of sympathies for terrorist acts - a key marker of vulnerability to violent radicalisation - and their relationship with commonly assumed causes of radicalisation. The community study surveyed over 600 men and women of Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Muslim heritage in London and Bradford, aged 18-45. A small minority of people (2.4%) expressed some sympathy for violent protest and terrorism, whilst over 6% remained neutral - i.e., they did not show sympathies but nor did they condemn such acts. However, sympathy levels increased among those under 20, those in full time education rather than employment, those born in the UK, and high earners (£75,000 per year or more). Interestingly, migrants and those speaking a language other than English at home, and those who reported having poor physical health, were all less likely to show sympathies for terrorist acts. In addition, those who reported suffering from anxiety and depression were no more likely to display sympathies, provoking some new research questions about the relationship between radicalisation and mental health. As part of the study, researchers developed a new way of measuring radicalisation based upon on asking participants about their sympathies for or condemnation of 16 different actions that fell under the heading of terrorism (for example, use of suicide bombs to fight injustice).[/quote] [url]http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/274292.php[/url] Of course, only one study and needs to be replicated/its methodology also looked at, but I think it is pretty interesting.

[QUOTE=shad0w440;51969762]Where do we draw the line then? These teachers are having their lives threatened and under the current system all they can really do sit on their hands and say "that's not very nice billy go to the principals office, or don't, I'm not allowed to touch you so I can't force you to do anything so please if you aren't going to listen to me just sit quietly and don't disrupt the class until the police arrive because they have the authority to physically remove you from my classroom."[/QUOTE] They should have more heightened security at schools for kids like these and especially drop the 'no touch' bullshit for teachers, especially in such a case as this.

[QUOTE=shad0w440;51969762]Where do we draw the line then? These teachers are having their lives threatened and under the current system all they can really do sit on their hands and say "that's not very nice billy go to the principals office, or don't, I'm not allowed to touch you so I can't force you to do anything so please if you aren't going to listen to me just sit quietly and don't disrupt the class until the police arrive because they have the authority to physically remove you from my classroom." Back when I was in school the teachers weren't allowed to lay a hand on us but at least the schools security were still allowed to get physical if nessicary, according to my younger brother who just graduated high school they aren't even allowed to do that anymore, they need to hand off to the police if physical restraint is nessicary.[/QUOTE] Corporal punishment doesn't even work. It makes things worse. Just from a quick Google search from the American Psychological Association: [QUOTE] Many studies have shown that physical punishment — including spanking, hitting and other means of causing pain — can lead to increased aggression, antisocial behavior, physical injury and mental health problems for children.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pascall;51969658]We absolutely do not still need corporal punishment and anyone who says we do does not and should not ever work in an educational environment. Jesus.[/QUOTE] I don't support corporal punishment, but I want to see your take on ensuring the safety of teachers who get violent threats such as these, god forbid any of those kids that do call out the death threats act on it, especially if its a large group rather than a single individual.

I say have something that lies between corporal punishment and no punishment. Best punishment these days isn't pain, it's embarrassment. Put kids in stocks for a few hours somwhere everyone can see. It isn't painful, and it is still a punishment.

[QUOTE=kariko;51969788]Corporal punishment doesn't even work. It makes things worse. Just from a quick Google search from the American Psychological Association:[/QUOTE] Or it teaches a generation that there are no real concequences to being a shitty human being, some people can only comprehend that something is wrong when there's a clear negative stimuli attached to it, and those are the kids that will grow up never having been punched kicked or hit in their lives and as such will have no qualms with inflicting pain on others as adults. Also: [quote]Many studies have shown that physical punishment — including spanking, hitting and other means of causing pain — can lead to physical injury:hiddendowns:[/quote] [quote]I say have something that lies between corporal punishment and no punishment. Best punishment these days isn't pain, it's embarrassment. Put kids in stocks for a few hours somwhere everyone can see. It isn't painful, and it is still a punishment.[/quote] This and a bucket full of shaving cream balloons for the students to chuck at the offender. It's embarrassing causes no physical pain and acts as stress relief for the other students.

Can't tell if that's sarcasm. But I fully believe that type of punishment is the way. Plus social media makes the punishment even more scary.

[QUOTE=shad0w440;51969897]Or it teaches a generation that there are no real concequences to being a shitty human being, some people can only comprehend that something is wrong when there's a clear negative stimuli attached to it, and those are the kids that will grow up never having been punched kicked or hit in their lives and as such will have no qualms with inflicting pain on others as adults. Also: This and a bucket full of shaving cream balloons for the students to chuck at the offender. It's embarrassing causes no physical pain and acts as stress relief for the other students.[/QUOTE] I don't think physically hurting or psychologically damaging children is the right way to go about it if I'm honest.

[QUOTE=justinl132;51969937]Can't tell if that's sarcasm. But I fully believe that type of punishment is the way. Plus social media makes the punishment even more scary.[/QUOTE] Plus it gives victims of bullying a tangable way to fight back so to speak. Imagine the immense satisfaction of trying to land a shaving cream balloon into the mouth of a bully who has been kicking your ass after school all week because he "asked" for a monetary donation for his video game funds and you told him to fuck off. Sure he could threaten to deal with you after he gets out but that would land him right back in the stocks.

[QUOTE=Exploders;51969801]I don't support corporal punishment, but I want to see your take on ensuring the safety of teachers who get violent threats such as these, god forbid any of those kids that do call out the death threats act on it, especially if its a large group rather than a single individual.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Pascall;51969104]These sorts of students need counseling and only brief exposure in general education classrooms for a start. It's difficult to just toss them in with the rest of the student population and expect them to assimilate to appropriate social norms. There has to be a process to it rather than just chucking them in and hoping for the best.[/QUOTE] ??? Teachers outside of these general education classrooms are generally trained for special needs, even for children with violent tendencies. Most teachers do [i]not[/I] have this training and obviously should not be expected to handle these cases as though they're just regular students. They need to be supervised and escorted by special needs support staff that is thoroughly trained for student restraint. At our after school program there were particular staff members who were chosen and selected for what's called CPI, including [URL="https://www.crisisprevention.com/Resources/Knowledge-Base/Physical-Restraint-Training"]Physical Restraint Training[/URL]. These staff members know how to restrain a student in the case of violent tendencies that may cause harm to the student or other students around them. Because we would work in inner city schools where some students were special needs or otherwise had behavioral problems which could turn violent, each school had to have at least one staff member trained in CPI. Utilizing these training techniques can keep people safe. Even better if [I]all[/I] capable staff is trained on it, but having at least one or two staff members per grade of kids on call if such a situation could arise could be helpful in and of itself. This is non-violent and is [I]restraint[/I], by the way. Not a punishment. [editline]16th March 2017[/editline] We should not [I]physically beat[/I] adults for the purpose of rehabilitation and neither should we do that for children. [editline]16th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=shad0w440;51969897]Or it teaches a generation that there are no real concequences to being a shitty human being, some people can only comprehend that something is wrong when there's a clear negative stimuli attached to it, and those are the kids that will grow up never having been punched kicked or hit in their lives and as such will have no qualms with inflicting pain on others as adults. Also: This and a bucket full of shaving cream balloons for the students to chuck at the offender. It's embarrassing causes no physical pain and acts as stress relief for the other students.[/QUOTE] Please never work with children.

[QUOTE=shad0w440;51969897]Or it teaches a generation that there are no real concequences to being a shitty human being, some people can only comprehend that something is wrong when there's a clear negative stimuli attached to it, and those are the kids that will grow up never having been punched kicked or hit in their lives and as such will have no qualms with inflicting pain on others as adults. Also: This and a bucket full of shaving cream balloons for the students to chuck at the offender. It's embarrassing causes no physical pain and acts as stress relief for the other students.[/QUOTE] That's still mental abuse which sounds really shitty too. You can do punishment non painfully. Like grounding them or not letting them use their electronics.

[QUOTE=Pascall;51969966]This is non-violent and is [I]restraint[/I], by the way. Not a punishment. [/QUOTE] Exactly this. I used to work at a board of DD school. Restraint is 100% different than any sort of punishment, and it's completely non violent.

On top of trained staff members, all schools should have adequate security. At least one or two members of security who are also trained in CPI as well as the obvious cases in which weapons are involved around children. These are ways to tackle these issues. Having up to date staff, staff that is knowledgeable and intelligent, and an informed community where parents know that there are resources and know that there are safety precautions because teachers aren't morons who think beating children is an adequate crisis prevention tactic. The more knowledgeable a school administration is, the more proactive they are, and the safer both students and staff are.

As nice as that sounds, how would the public school system be able to afford that many staff? I can see private schools and charter schools doing that but public schools will have a much harder time.

[QUOTE=justinl132;51970035]As nice as that sounds, how would the public school system be able to afford that many staff? I can see private schools and charter schools doing that but public schools will have a much harder time.[/QUOTE] They can't. But that fault does not lay with the school, it lay with higher up administration and government. In which case our education system is inherently flawed. Which we knew already. Of course this article isn't talking about the US, but that's where my knowledge is coming from. But at the very least, CPI training can still be given to already existing teachers and special needs staff which most schools have anyway. If an after school program can afford to provide it to a handful of their staff members then I'm sure a general school system or district can as well. They're not expensive courses.

[QUOTE=paul simon;51969737]Tudd back with the muslim news :/ Getting sort of tired of this one-sided narrative from you. I mean, obviously this is a bad case and all, but it's so obvious what you're doing.[/QUOTE] So what? Just because something doesn't support your agenda doesn't mean it shouldn't be posted. Why don't you complain about Llamaguy? Most of his started threads are about Trump and his companions. But only one side of it. Why don't you go to his threads and complain to him?

Ultimately what I'm sayin' is, we don't need to beat kids because that's some silly shit.

[QUOTE=shad0w440;51969952]Plus it gives victims of bullying a tangable way to fight back so to speak. Imagine the immense satisfaction of trying to land a shaving cream balloon into the mouth of a bully who has been kicking your ass after school all week because he "asked" for a monetary donation for his video game funds and you told him to fuck off. Sure he could threaten to deal with you after he gets out but that would land him right back in the stocks.[/QUOTE] This isn't the god damn 60's anymore holy shit. When I was a kid and acted like a piece of shit my father took away all my electronics. TV, consoles, computer, [I]everything.[/I] He didn't beat me, he didn't fucking chain or lock me away somewhere, he didn't lay a finger on me. [I]He just made me realize everything I have in this world was because of him and he can take it away as fast as he gave it to me.[/I] He ripped everything out of my room and said he was going to sell it on eBay. A week later after I had learned my lesson he gave it all back and I never gave him or my mother attitude ever again. There are other methods to just fucking beating or locking someone into god damn stocks.

Fucking hell, someone here is seriously advocating for either violent physical punishment or absolute humiliation as methods to deal with kids. Degrading people is not education, it's fear. There's a big difference between educating a person on right and wrong and beating him into blindly accepting it because he doesn't want any more pain or suffering. It's worlds apart. One of these viewpoints is, I hope, only held by people who haven't set foot inside a school since finishing high school.

[QUOTE=Pascall;51969966] Please never work with children. [/quote] Don't worry I hate them with a burning passion. :v: [sp]Violent amoral little shits the lot of em and I was no exception.[/sp] My fathers a baby boomer, whenever I acted up he'd set me straight with a backhand to the face, imo we need more of that in modern society. Otherwise we end up with entitled cunts.

Still have some doubts about the source but for the sake of discussion I'll assume these accusations are true considering the principal got fired over this. [QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;51968901]There's psycho kids who have killed their teachers or other school staff before, if anything this is a step down. Key thing is to nip it in the bud before it gets to that stage.[/QUOTE] Were those kids you're talking about also radicalized, or were they suffering from other issues like mental health or bad homes? [QUOTE=Pascall;51969104]These sorts of students need counseling and only brief exposure in general education classrooms for a start. It's difficult to just toss them in with the rest of the student population and expect them to assimilate to appropriate social norms. There has to be a process to it rather than just chucking them in and hoping for the best.[/QUOTE] I know assimilating isn't something that just happens, but I'm pretty sure this goes far beyond just failing to assimilate with social norms. I can't think of any place where acceptable behavior includes forcibly attempting to convert non-believers and threatening to behead teachers; unless you were raised or brainwashed by fucking ISIS. Either way, I highly doubt these kids developed this behavior on their own, it had to come from somewhere. In addition to counseling, this is probably one of the few cases where child welfare services should step in and demand the parents to take get their shit together or lose their children if they refuse. At least that way, the family will be known to authorities if they attempt to flee and double down on indoctrinating the kids into becoming radicalized. [QUOTE=Crumpet;51968855][B]9[/B]/10/[B]11[/B] depending on the country I think[/QUOTE] :worried:

Oh yeah it's definitely something that would require some monitoring of the home life. I just meant from a school perspective that throwing them into gen. ed classrooms isn't what the school should be doing.

[QUOTE=kariko;51969980]That's still mental abuse which sounds really shitty too. You can do punishment non painfully. Like grounding them or not letting them use their electronics.[/QUOTE] The problem with this is it relies on parents to tow the line and actually discipline their kids, and sadly some parents just don't, they either don't see anything wrong with how their child is behaving, the "just kids being kids" crowd, outright refuse to accept that their child is capable of doing wrong and blame everything on the schools handling of their child rather than the child themselves, the "special snowflake" crowd, or just flat out don't give a shit and think it's too much effort on their part, the shitty parents crowd.

As a Sydney resident I can confirm that there are some schools you would never send your kids to. My brothers and sisters for example travel an extra hour in the morning to avoid the [url=http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/almost-20-nsw-schools-added-to-deradicalisation-program-as-experts-claim-predatory-recruiters-threaten-schoolkids/news-story/e41c3b2a816074118c7285cc6a8f798c]local schools.[/url] I guess that goes the same for practically anywhere else in the world. There's some places you just wouldn't go to learn.

[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51970053]So what? Just because something doesn't support your agenda doesn't mean it shouldn't be posted. Why don't you complain about Llamaguy? Most of his started threads are about Trump and his companions. But only one side of it. Why don't you go to his threads and complain to him?[/QUOTE] Tudd's the guy I've really taken notice of, and he's sorta Facepunch-famous for his posts & threads. Otherwise I remember Morgen with his tesla/spaceX/green energy stuff, and before that again there was Icarus with his cryptocurrency threads. I've not really heard about llamaguy (sorry dude), maybe I don't read his threads as much. I do agree that news should be posted without any sort of filter, but I'm no fan of the arts of posting news articles in a specific way to prove a point.

Bunch of not Australians in this thread not realising that this was reported by the daily telegraph which is Australia's version of the Sun Thanks Tudd for posting an unreliable source in order to further your discourse I guarantee you that many of the details in this story are embellished for effect