Teacher quits after primary school students threaten to behead her - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=killerteacup;51970589]Bunch of not Australians in this thread not realising that this was reported by the daily telegraph which is Australia's version of the Sun Thanks Tudd for posting an unreliable source in order to further your discourse I guarantee you that many of the details in this story are embellished for effect[/QUOTE] I actually have considered that, but it turns out both The Australian and Yahoo News 7 got their own details on the situation from News Corp and the school itself. That and if you go into the News 7 source they actually sent reporters out to the school in the video. Also you will notice that The Australian's second source I posted in the OP was them reporting on the school system already echoing problems happening there but from a month before. But yeah the claims are claims. As someone has said earlier though, this school has already had to fire a principal due to refusing the de-radicalization program. So it is pretty obvious this place is having some problems.

punchbowl is a breeding ground for extremism in sydney. i used to go to school around there.

[QUOTE=shad0w440;51970393]The problem with this is it relies on parents to tow the line and actually discipline their kids, and sadly some parents just don't, they either don't see anything wrong with how their child is behaving, the "just kids being kids" crowd, outright refuse to accept that their child is capable of doing wrong and blame everything on the schools handling of their child rather than the child themselves, the "special snowflake" crowd, or just flat out don't give a shit and think it's too much effort on their part, the shitty parents crowd.[/QUOTE] I don't think that's exclusive to grounding them or taking their things away. You could say the same thing about physical punishment.

[QUOTE=shad0w440;51970128]Don't worry I hate them with a burning passion. :v: [sp]Violent amoral little shits the lot of em and I was no exception.[/sp] My fathers a baby boomer, whenever I acted up he'd set me straight with a backhand to the face, imo we need more of that in modern society. Otherwise we end up with entitled cunts.[/QUOTE] in addition to never working with children, please also do not have children.

[QUOTE=shian;51969133]Kids seem to get worse and worse I hate to use this argument, but the last time I was in school nobody was shouting vulgarities all the time. Except Jason Fuck Jason[/QUOTE] I had one kid in elementary school tell the class "I wanna be a pimp when I grow up!" None of us got it. We never saw him again after graduating into Middle School. Still this is pretty awful. I don't really think its the internet's fault. There's always a time through the ages when kids would go crazy and act on their violent impulses. It's more of a parenting situation and the environment you were raised in.

[QUOTE=shad0w440;51969897]Or it teaches a generation that there are no real concequences to being a shitty human being, some people can only comprehend that something is wrong when there's a clear negative stimuli attached to it, and those are the kids that will grow up never having been punched kicked or hit in their lives and as such will have no qualms with inflicting pain on others as adults. Also: This and a bucket full of shaving cream balloons for the students to chuck at the offender. It's embarrassing causes no physical pain and acts as stress relief for the other students.[/QUOTE] Since when is punishment supposed to be revenge?

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;51971737]Since when is punishment supposed to be revenge?[/QUOTE] I didn't have the best primary school experience :v:

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51969345]You think that because the internet has made it more visible. It's like thinking terror or violence has overtaken the world when really we are able to hear about it more easily thanks to mass communication through the internet. Kids have always had a collective, survival of the fittest mentality because they want to belong or not be singled out and those who don't conform to what is expected can and will get bullied, like in my experience and is pointed out in this thread and article. Children are little monsters until the world smacks them across the face and says that shit wont be tolerated. They aren't born with a moral compass or know right from wrong, or to just to accept themselves for being different.[/QUOTE] Nah, I think there has been a deterioration, mostly because I have a connection to my old high school - My mother works there, and by all her accounts (From both herself and her colleagues) the behaviour has worsened over the 9 years since I left school. My year was considered fairly badly behaved but within a couple of years the teachers were pretty nostalgic for us. I think you're probably right in that the internet is part of the problem, but not in terms of visibility, but in terms of things like instagram/snapchat etc offering a support group for kids wanting to be little shits.

"There's obviously something wrong with this kid, we better beat him" Beating kids is not helpful, and there's a reason we stopped. Corporal punishment won't teach a kid that something is wrong, only that they should hide it better in order to get away with it. Kids need to learn empathy and respect for each other, not that their teacher wants to beat them.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51972979]"There's obviously something wrong with this kid, we better beat him" Beating kids is not helpful, and there's a reason we stopped. Corporal punishment won't teach a kid that something is wrong, only that they should hide it better in order to get away with it. Kids need to learn empathy and respect for each other, not that their teacher wants to beat them.[/QUOTE] Mom is a teacher - I still remember her discovering a kid would get horrific beatings from his father (who also happened to be the basketball coach) because she yelled at him for not completing his homework and mentioned that she would speaking to his father about this. The boy literally burst into tears and peed in his pants, in front of the whole class. Sure, kids can be little shits but you dont need to physically touch them to show your dominion over them when it comes to controlling their behaviour. For me as a kid, if I fucked up? No Cartoons for a day. Continue to be a little shit? Well, no cartoons for a week, then. Persist in being lord of the shits? Clearly, snookypookums doesnt like cartoons very much, so no cartoons for a month. :wideeye: And thus, young snookypookums learned that there were only so many times you can poke God in the eye before it blinks.

[QUOTE=pentium;51968853]A mix of extremely poor parenting and psychological damage early in their lives.[/QUOTE] :thinking: nah them being evil fits my worldview way better thanks though

I've seen a video of kids performing a beheading, so yeah...

[QUOTE=shad0w440;51970128]Don't worry I hate them with a burning passion. :v: Violent amoral little shits the lot of em [U]and I was no exception.[/U] My fathers a baby boomer, whenever I acted up he'd set me straight with a backhand to the face, imo we need more of that in modern society. [U]Otherwise we end up with entitled cunts[/U].[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=shad0w440;51972427]I didn't have the best primary school experience :v:[/QUOTE] Internalized victimization and rationalization for your parents treatment of you, and then you want corporal punishment of more kids? Here's a good read: [URL="http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/98783/E90619.pdf"]The Cycles of Violence[/URL] - From the World Health Organization.

[QUOTE=paul simon;51969737]Tudd back with the muslim news :/ Getting sort of tired of this one-sided narrative from you. I mean, obviously this is a bad case and all, but it's so obvious what you're doing.[/QUOTE] except these are the views of a "moderate" muslim. fuck, even russian culture isn't as bad as the middle east's, but as time goes on I suppose they'll adopt more modern standards. The fact that the dominant culture in the middle east is that of a fundamentalist america about 100+ years ago sort of makes it an echochamber. I feel that as time goes on and they become influenced more by other cultures, they will become less radical and less violent.

[QUOTE=shad0w440;51970128]Don't worry I hate them with a burning passion. :v: [sp]Violent amoral little shits the lot of em and I was no exception.[/sp] My fathers a baby boomer, whenever I acted up he'd set me straight with a backhand to the face, imo we need more of that in modern society. Otherwise we end up with entitled cunts.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=shad0w440;51972427]I didn't have the best primary school experience :v:[/QUOTE] sounds like you're the absolute worst person to decide what we should do with our kids. so if you truly believe that getting beaten as a kid makes people into good people, then please prove to us how you, someone who has faced that kind of abuse (and sorry that you have, honestly. that sucks man, and i hope you can look past it in your current life) are the better man compared to someone like me or several others in this thread who were not abused as a kid. i'm honestly curious.

[QUOTE=Gamerman12;51973447]sounds like you're the absolute worst person to decide what we should do with our kids. so if you truly believe that getting beaten as a kid makes people into good people, then please prove to us how you, someone who has faced that kind of abuse (and sorry that you have, honestly. that sucks man, and i hope you can look past it in your current life) are the better man compared to someone like me or several others in this thread who were not abused as a kid. i'm honestly curious.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between being beaten and being physically punished. When I was a kid I got popped on the ass a few times as well. A combination of that and denial of recreational activities (TV, computer, so on) can be good discipline.

I'm certain that a level of competency, independent decision (teaching kids stuff not on the curriculum) , or at least extra training could deal with this kinda shit. As someone who could become a teacher, I'd enjoy the challenge. (unless I couldn't make any progress). I mean, I'd rather go into secondary education, but then I'd just have them at 12.

[QUOTE=PulseFrog;51968903]Well, what else did you expect from followers of such an evil religion? These children were indoctrinated to believe in a horribly violent and disgusting religion; a religion that teaches that a thief's hand has to be cut off, or that a woman's brain is less developed than a man's brain, or that women are the property of their husbands, and so many more horrible, violent, disturbing and cruel teachings; so really, what did you expect? You don't even have to read the Qur'an to know how bad it is, but I encourage you to read it and the popular Hadith; you will then know for sure that it is truly evil. Here's a good place to start: skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/ [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost" - Novangel))[/highlight][/QUOTE]I would like to apologize about saying this. A few hours after posting it, I felt quite embarrassed and really regretted posting it. It's just that, sometimes I get very frustrated since we are legally not allowed to criticize Islam in Jordan according to Jordan's "Blasphemy law", so I go on the internet and let all of the frustration out. I really apologize for the things I said. Ultimately, I hope to see all religions disappear, but I agree with what da space core said; this should be done through education, not ridicule and insults. So, again I apologize for the things I said. Jordan's blasphemy law: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Jordan[/url]