[quote]Solar power, once so costly it only made economic sense in spaceships, is becoming cheap enough that it will push coal and even natural-gas plants out of business faster than previously forecast.
That’s the conclusion of a Bloomberg New Energy Finance outlook for how fuel and electricity markets will evolve by 2040. The research group estimated solar already rivals the cost of new coal power plants in Germany and the U.S. and by 2021 will do so in quick-growing markets such as China and India.[/quote]
slightly shit title but I cped it from the article but I changed will to may because it burned my eyes
[url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-15/solar-power-will-kill-coal-sooner-than-you-think[/url]
Good. Coal can fuck off, followed by oil and natural gas.
Solar is gaining popularity, you can easily buy solar panels from home improvement stores like Home Depot and do DIY projects. Pretty neat and a good step away from archaic pollutant causing energy resources.
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Solarpunk here we go.
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This energy revolution can't come sooner.
On top of that, I have it on very good authority that southern company is looking to build MORE AP1000 nuclear plants after the two we are building right now. They already have a couple sites picked out and are trying to start construction on them when these are finished.
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52368583]Solarpunk here we go.
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Why do you suppose that nuclear and hydro power in the last chart would decline in investment by around 2026?
[QUOTE=PsycheClops;52368943]Why do you suppose that nuclear and hydropower in the last chart would decline in investment by around 2026?[/QUOTE]
Because it seems it's outdated for the 21st century, alongside with Coal/Fossil Fuels?
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52368957]Because it seems it's outdated for the 21st century, alongside with Coal/Fossil Fuels?[/QUOTE]
Hydropower sure, but nuclear has a lot of opportunity for growth.
Definitely want to get solar for my future house.
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52368957]Because it seems it's outdated for the 21st century, alongside with Coal/Fossil Fuels?[/QUOTE]
People are irrationally afraid of nuclear, and hydro dams are environmentally terrible.
[QUOTE=Cuon Alpinus;52368967]Hydropower sure, but nuclear has a lot of opportunity for growth.[/QUOTE]
hydro can be fantastic depending on your geography. but it is a bit limited for most places. US has rich land for massive solar farms, and they can be deployed in most places fairly decently for like houses.
But yeah, on nuclear fission people are afraid. And nuclear fusion is super promising but returns are less guaranteed on money thrown at that.
[QUOTE=peterson;52369008]Definitely want to get solar for my future house.[/QUOTE]
Same, if I'm still in texas I'm glad that the state has a law where if an HOA tries to tell you no you can tell the HOA to go fuck themselves (cause hurr panels are ugly.)
Thank god, may they die a quick and merciless death.
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52368957]Because it seems it's outdated for the 21st century, alongside with Coal/Fossil Fuels?[/QUOTE]
Not anymore thanks to Bill Gates; [url]http://terrapower.com/pages/benefits[/url]
[QUOTE=luverofJ!93;52369170]Thank god, may they die a quick and merciless death.[/QUOTE]
May they die a death that doesn't completely fuck up the lives of coal miners, most of whom live in areas where there are no other jobs, but instead gives them alternate opportunities.
I hope solar panel is affordable in here.
Because im planning to get one someday
[QUOTE=elevate;52369218]May they die a death that doesn't completely fuck up the lives of coal miners, most of whom live in areas where there are no other jobs, but instead gives them alternate opportunities.[/QUOTE]
Unlikely but destroying the planet is a bigger concern than the unfortunate alternative of destroying a lot of jobs.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52369647]Unlikely but destroying the planet is a bigger concern than the unfortunate alternative of destroying a lot of jobs.[/QUOTE]
You realize that people need money to exchange for goods and services and food right
I'm not defending coal but there needs to be some thought put into all those little coal mining towns in-between all the major cities. For some places that is literally the only source of any economy, and there are a lot more communities that rely on that than you think. i know here in CA some counties have adapted by creating wind farm industry towns but there are only so many, as only places that aren't in places with prohibitive wind environments can have them
People really don't understand how small and volatile the coal industry is, and how asinine it is to hold American fiscal and environmental policy hostage over attempts to subsidize it any longer. Trump and the GOP need to realize that coals days are numbered and renewable energy is quickly becoming more profitable and efficient instead of sitting back and letting countries like China and India pass us in this regard.
We also need more politicians who are willing to explain the benefits of nuclear power to their constituents.
I'd rather embrace gas than coal. Coal is whale oil at this point. There's no reason for it. Everything is an improvement.
[QUOTE=Cuon Alpinus;52368967]Hydropower sure, but nuclear has a lot of opportunity for growth.[/QUOTE]
I only think for Nuclear Energy right now is a new design (like Postmodern style) for all their remaining nuclear plants, If they want continue to be relevant in centrist politics.
How does this jive with the claim by top solar industry people that they will lose 100,000 jobs, of the 150,000 jobs gained from 2006 to 2016, and 90% of solar companies will go bankrupt if the ITC (Investment Tax Credit)* subsidy expires? ([URL]http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2015/03/solar-industry-must-support-itc-extension-or-face-potentially-dire-consequences.html[/URL])
*The ITC essentially gives residential and commercial customers a straight up 30% reduction in cost when buying solar.
[QUOTE=sgman91;52371319]How does this jive with the claim by top solar industry people that they will lose 100,000 jobs, of the 150,000 jobs gained from 2006 to 2016, and 90% of solar companies will go bankrupt if the ITC (Investment Tax Credit)* subsidy expires? ([URL]http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2015/03/solar-industry-must-support-itc-extension-or-face-potentially-dire-consequences.html[/URL])
*The ITC essentially gives residential and commercial customers a straight up 30% reduction in cost when buying solar.[/QUOTE] America is why. China, India, etc. are massive pushers behind this.
American companies have actually already been suffering and screaming for the government to throw tariffs on china's solar panels.
[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/business/energy-environment/-us-imposes-steep-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-panels.html[/url]
oh and they actually achieved it too. scumfucks tbh
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52371385]What's wrong with natural gas?[/QUOTE]
While it's cleaner than coal or oil, It takes longer to pollute.
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52368957]Because it seems it's outdated for the 21st century, alongside with Coal/Fossil Fuels?[/QUOTE]
Are you joking or just that severely misinformed
And let's also not act like solar is 100% pure, there are non-negligible environmental impacts from the mining of the materials and the manufacturing process. Wind turbines are slightly worse, needing frequent maintenance and tons of lube. Both of course, are a massive improvement over fossil fuels, but that cost still exists. Nuclear remains the safest and cleanest over the very long term, if my memory serves me correctly. And fusion would blow even the small cost of fission straight out of the water.
whats wrong with oil? without oil we wouldn't have the bouquet of wonderful plastics and composites that we do.
[QUOTE=Shirt.;52371476]whats wrong with oil? without oil we wouldn't have the bouquet of wonderful plastics and composites that we do.[/QUOTE]
You can use oil for plastic if you want, just don't use it for energy generation, or transportation.
[QUOTE=OvB;52369016]People are irrationally afraid of nuclear, and hydro dams are environmentally terrible.[/QUOTE]
How terrible, though? Here in Washington most of our power is from hydro and we export a large chunk of it too. Its also allowed us to make a seaport in fucking Idaho the most inland seaport in the western United states.... buuut has devastated the salmon population around here. I can't say I know too much about their effects, though.
Seattleites and king county voters are retardedly averse to nuclear power and want to shutter our local plant, and the disaster that is the Hanford site has also made many voters in this state reluctant to trust Nuclear again (nevermind that Hanford was [I]literally[/I] the first plutionium-producing reactor complex in the world). Many of them are fine with hydropower though, and I think most people still believe that Hydropower is environmentally friendly.
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52369748]You realize that people need money to exchange for goods and services and food right[/QUOTE]
You realize that we'll have no use for goods and services and food if we destroy the planet right
[QUOTE=Paramud;52371662]You realize that we'll have no use for goods and services and food if we destroy the planet right[/QUOTE]
im aware of that, im just saying that the issue runs to the core of the country and we need politicians that are actually giving both sides of the spectrum the same level of attention or it's going to continue to be a dividing line between those in cities and those living rural. There's legitimately people in central california that believe Trump can solve the drought crisis
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