James Damore Sues Google, Alleging Discrimination Against Conservative White Men

[Tamschi]

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;53043153][...]

so, in short, either he's arguing that the distribution is more divergent than the image above, [/QUOTE]

It's a qualitative diagram purely for illustrative purposes.
The diagram axis being labelled 'Trait' and completely lacking values should make that clear.

It's basically a 'don't generalise these things because individual people differ a lot', but as a picture.

[QUOTE]in which case he [I]is saying [/I]that women are worse engineers, or there are problems beyond biological traits that are causing a gender divide (which is what diversity programs are typically in place to help fix)[/QUOTE]

IInm, that whole paragraph isn't about IT/engineering ability but [I]workplace preferences[/I].
I haven't read the memo in months, but as far as I remember, the main/only point he was making was that Google's company culture causes issues with (primarily female) employee [I]retention[/I] that can't be addressed by the existing diversity programs [I]in hiring[/I].

[editline]edit[/editline] The bit about ability came in, if I remember correctly, when he pointed out that 'affirmative action' (my words, not his I think) in hiring can cast doubt on this-way-favoured employees' technical qualifications internally, and that that's bad and should be fixed by making the workplace itself more attractive to those groups instead. (Personal opinion: If your unweighted entry test filters out good candidates unevenly by requiring some form of imbalanced prior knowledge, it's probably broken in a way that can't be fixed by tacking on some numbers.)

[cliff2]

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;53043153]so, in short, either he's arguing that the distribution is more divergent than the image above, in which case he [I]is saying [/I]that women are worse engineers, or there are problems beyond biological traits that are causing a gender divide (which is what diversity programs are typically in place to help fix)[/QUOTE]

Nah that was an example of a personality trait that's been generally accepted to have higher values in women than in men. He uses that data to argue they should change aspects of the workplace to make it more attractive to people that have those personality traits. (EG the ability to work less hours, more team collab and projects, etc) It has nothing to do with ability to do the job, but whether they would enjoy working the job.

[Raidyr]

[QUOTE=Kigen;53042529]Here is what I got by Google searching James Damore and just looking at some of the articles in the first 5 pages. [/QUOTE]
First off, thanks for taking the effort to collect and collate all the articles into one post with sources and the relevant quotes. That's more work than 99% of the people in this section put foward and I really appreciate it.

Secondly, does Damores memo not make the argument that women lack in particular traits that are useful in the tech field, an argument that is backed up with citations that people find to be at least mostly correct, and argues that companies would be better served modifying their environment to mitigate these factors in employee performance?
[QUOTE=Kigen;53042529]These articles take the cake. The NBC news article above being a runner up.
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Yeah, which is why I asked for mainstream sources. Alt-media is trash the vast majority of the time.

[Kigen]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;53045469]First off, thanks for taking the effort to collect and collate all the articles into one post with sources and the relevant quotes. That's more work than 99% of the people in this section put foward and I really appreciate it. [/quote]

Your welcome. I tried to make sure it mainly stuck with you're request. I used those last two mainly because they appear in the Tim Pool video. I feel that quite a lot of people are starting to look towards alternatives of the mainstream media for information. While some alternatives are good, there are a lot of bad ones.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;53045469]
Secondly, does Damores memo not make the argument that women lack in particular traits that are useful in the tech field, an argument that is backed up with citations that people find to be at least mostly correct, and argues that companies would be better served modifying their environment to mitigate these factors in employee performance? [/quote]

The only thing I've ever found pointed out in all those articles is his assertion that women tend to have higher levels of [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroticism]Neuroticism[/url] ([url=https://www.bradley.edu/dotAsset/165918.pdf]his source[/url]) and more easily stressed. He points that women also tend to be more cooperative, and men tend to be more competitive. But ultimately I can find nothing that says that any of this directly affects their ability to be engineers. He just states that they tend to be driven off by the overly competitive and high status nature of a lot of the engineer job environments. And that Google would be better served by modifying the environment around the job to make it more appealing to women who want to work there.

The main things that he suggested being modified is making the job more social, encourage cooperation, making it less stressful, being mindful of the work-life balance, and making the male gender role more flexible (lite toxic masculinity). And that all the changes suggested should not just be done arbitrarily, but with a focus on basically improving the work environment for everyone.