Couple returns from work trip to find 13 gypsies have moved into their house. - Sensationalist Headlines

Are there any laws against using insect bombs/non-toxic canisters to smoke them out?

[QUOTE=archangel125;52850975]The reason people always appear to be racist towards Romani is because, as far as I can gather, their very culture is based around being a counterculture to wherever they live. In other words, they consider themselves beholden to no law but their own, and seem to believe they can do what they want and take what they want. With such a culture, no act of kindness goes unpunished. It's perfectly fair to criticize them if this is true, isn't it? Of course, if I've got the wrong idea, please correct me.[/QUOTE] They are Europe's "Freemen of the land." [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=GordonZombie;52851038]Are there any laws against using insect bombs/non-toxic canisters to smoke them out?[/QUOTE] Yes. At the very least that would be assault.

Well good to know my Romanian friend on discord is indeed not the only one with discontent for the gypsies.

We don’t have squatters rights here in the States, but I do level with the deceptive tactics by ‘homeless’ beggars. I’m from a city that borders Detroit, I could walk 2 miles and be there. MANY of the supposedly homeless people in that area beg for money on the same corner with the same story for years and years. One of my good friends managed a bar in downtown Detroit, there was a guy that would come around almost every week asking for money for the bus. Finally my buddy broke down and yelled, “Dude you’ve been trying to catch the bus for 4 years, why don’t you just fucking walk?”

[QUOTE=Megadave;52850908]Squatters have rights too you know.[/QUOTE] Far too many in the modern day

If gypsies tried to show even a modicum of politeness I'd say that yeah maybe not all of them are bad But [B]E V E R Y[/B] single gypsy I've dealt with (and I've dealt with more than I'd like) has always been confrontational and aggressive [I]first[/I] even when I'm just trying to get my job done which has nothing to do with them I always give them the chance to surprise me, I always make sure to not make assumptions about the next one I deal with, but no. Every single one has been the same. They are thieving, disgusting, assholes. [QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;52850939]"I don't have any personal experience with these people but I still think I know what I'm talking about." Dude I hate to generalize and I'm not gonna tell you we need another gypsy genocide but Jesus Christ, 90% of the time they act as parasites. [/QUOTE] I don't know where you found that 10% that you say don't act like parasites but could you share them out please :v:

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;52850931]In my line of work (security guard) I just throw them out of the stores I guard. All they do is scout the location then come back to steal. The problem we have in Sweden is that begging isn't illegal so the gypsies can set up their camps all they want with no consequences. What pisses me off the most are the people who claim that "there's no such thing as organized begging". Uh okay so half of Romania just happen to know the exact location of every ICA supermarket, IKEA and Coop? They just happen to know the same camping spots for their improvised trailer ghettos used by the previous gang a month before? In that case they must also be doing some reverse Robin Hood charity since they hand off money to sleazy-looking men who drive sportscars as soon as they greet them.[/QUOTE] This is a common misconception and it's important to note it: Romania and the Roma are not the same thing. While Romania has a big Roma population, it's not where the majority of them are from, they are two completely different ethnic groups with a completely different culture.

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;52850604]Say what you like but fuck [b]niggers[/b], they damn near robbed me and hurt me in the middle of paris in daylight.[/QUOTE] tell me hows this different from what you are saying.

If I came to one of my properties and someone had broken into a structure of mine, I'd be escorting them out by gun point. Squatting rights should only come into play if you've been paying the property tax on a lot for years without the actual owner caring or intervening. Not simple because you broke in and put a sleeping bag down.

To be honest if a piece of property is abandoned (has sat unused for years) I have no qualms with someone making use of it if they maintain it. This property was not abandoned and the gypsies are trashing it. Fuck 'em

Stories like this are convincing me Frollo was the good guy.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;52851060]This is a common misconception and it's important to note it: Romania and the Roma are not the same thing. While Romania has a big Roma population, it's not where the majority of them are from, they are two completely different ethnic groups with a completely different culture.[/QUOTE] I'm aware, it's just that a majority of the gypsies in Sweden are from Romania and speak Romanian(?). My bad. [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=autodesknoob;52851065]tell me hows this different from what you are saying.[/QUOTE] Niggers - Racial slur used against black people to lower their status as Human beings. Gypsies - Term used to descrbibe Romas who work for organized begging rings. Former describes an ethnicity in a negative way, latter desrcibes a line of """proffession""".

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;52851127]I'm aware, it's just that a majority of the gypsies in Sweden are from Romania and speak Romanian(?). My bad.[/QUOTE] They aren't though. They also speak Romani, which is not Romanian, they're two completely different languages. Gypsies come from all over Europe, despite there being more of them living in Eastern Europe.

[QUOTE=autodesknoob;52851065]tell me hows this different from what you are saying.[/QUOTE] How the fuck is this even the same. I can't be sure, but it doesn't sound like you experienced how much of an issue they are in Europe. I've been very open minded and understanding in the past, but with the issues I've faced with them, its really difficult to not judge them as nice people. Otherwise, why don't you try approaching them when they ask you for a 'survey', gift you a 'gold' ring, kids begging for money or a mother crying with her baby? Let me know after that.

Honestly, all the stories of 'false beggars' i'm hearing here is really making actual homeless and destitute who have no choice but to rely on the kindness of others look really bad. When you keep seeing these false beggars, you start second guessing whether or not that thin, dirtied man on the corner is sincere or not, which means that it's only going to be harder for those who truly need that kind donation because people will simply ignore them assuming they're one of these conmen. I hope i'm getting my point across properly, don't want to seem ignorant or an ass.

[QUOTE=autodesknoob;52851065]tell me hows this different from what you are saying.[/QUOTE] One is a slur for an entire race and the other is a term for a culture. Disliking and criticizing a culture is not racist.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;52851140]They aren't though. They also speak Romani, which is not Romanian, they're two completely different languages. Gypsies come from all over Europe, despite there being more of them living in Eastern Europe.[/QUOTE] Yes they are? There were several articles last year in the media detailing deportation and diplomatic contact with Romania because of the gypsies. [url]https://www.svt.se/vi-kallas-tiggare/10-saker-du-alltid-undrat-om-tiggeri/[/url] [url]https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/rumanerna-skams-for-sina-tiggare[/url] [url]https://www.stadsmissionen.se/vad-vi-gor/migration-och-integration/vart-att-veta-om-tiggeri[/url] [url]http://story.aftonbladet.se/tiggarna[/url] [url]https://www.svd.se/hjalporganisationer-sluta-ge-pengar-till-tiggare[/url] As mentioned in all of these articles the majority are from Romania. Language and ethnicity might be differnet but they're still Romanian on paper. Then again I have no clue how the situation is in Finland, Denmark or Norway but this is what's in Sweden. [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Zaravan;52851152]Honestly, all the stories of 'false beggars' i'm hearing here is really making actual homeless and destitute who have no choice but to rely on the kindness of others look really bad. When you keep seeing these false beggars, you start second guessing whether or not that thin, dirtied man on the corner is sincere or not, which means that it's only going to be harder for those who truly need that kind donation because people will simply ignore them assuming they're one of these conmen. I hope i'm getting my point across properly, don't want to seem ignorant or an ass.[/QUOTE] In Stockholm we have the magazine called Situation Stockholm, it's sold by recovering alcoholics and drug users or other folks whom have ended up homeless. Lately their magazine has been selling less because now they have to compete with the Sofia Magazine which is sold by the gypsies. Like Prusselusken said about Norway there's a similar organization in Sweden which believes that all gypsies are innocent. While I think it's a nice thing to do for them it won't actually help shit since all the Money will flow to the criminals organizing them either way.

[QUOTE=Megadave;52850908]Squatters have rights too you know.[/QUOTE] Yeah no. That's fucking insane. Please tell me what country you live in so I can stay as far away as possible.

Absurd considering how you can find the law against this almost immediately with a low understanding of french, google and control f. The explanation on squatters rights posted earlier even quotes why they clearly aren't applicable in this case. [quote=Belgian criminal code 2016]Art. 439. Sera puni d'un emprisonnement de quinze jours à deux ans et d'une amende de vingt-six [euros] à trois cents [euros], celui qui, sans ordre de l'autorité et hors les cas où la loi permet d'entrer dans le domicile des particuliers contre leur volonté, se sera introduit dans une maison, un appartement, une chambre ou un logement habités par autrui, ou leurs dépendances, soit à l'aide de menaces ou de violences contre les personnes, soit au moyen d'effraction, d'escalade ou de fausses clefs. <L 2000-06-26/42, art. 2, En vigueur : 01-01-2002> Art. 440. L'emprisonnement sera de six mois à cinq ans et l'amende de cent [euros] à cinq cents [euros], si le fait a été commis, soit sur un faux ordre de l'autorité publique, soit avec le costume, soit sous le nom d'un de ses agents, soit avec la réunion des trois circonstances suivantes : <L 2000-06-26/42, art. 2, En vigueur : 01-01-2002> Si le fait a été exécuté la nuit; S'il a été exécuté par deux ou plusieurs personnes; Si les coupables ou l'un d'eux étaient porteurs d'armes. Les coupables pourront, en outre, être condamnés à l'interdiction, conformément à l'article 33 (...). <L 09-04-1930, art. 32>[/quote] edit: the mayor probably made a dumb mistake, politicians barely ever understand the law, especially laws that usually have no bearing on their day to day work. edit2: in regards to gypsies i know a bunch who are perfectly normal people despite their family wearing the traditional black dresses and such. i've also met some older roma guys while working at a bar who were definitely potentially dangerous and who had earlier been involved in armed threats and fights at that bar. i think the most problematic are the actual roma criminal gangs who travel around europe and the older guys who uphold the macho outlaw lifestyle but the romas who want to live normally needlessly suffer if they can be identified as roma and i don't think the often proposed "solution" that they should somehow just completely switch identities or practically disguise themselves as non roma should be enforced.

isn't breaking and entering illegal?

Wow I can't believe the gypsies have the same attitudes in Europe as in Argentina. Here the police has been busting a lot of virtual kidnappings and they were in many cases gypsies. But yeah, perhaps in Europe if you find squatters in your home you can evict them quickly. here in Argentina...it's a lost case. You better find some friends, arm them or give them rebars and try to fight it out with the squatters. There will be [URL="https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNTJjNTUxMjYtYjNlNC00NDViLWIwZjktMGNkOTQ5MDNjNTFiXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNTI4MjkwNjA@._V1_UX182_CR0,0,182,268_AL_.jpg"]casualties[/URL]. Kids, little girls, a grandpa that was strategically located to delay any opposing force. But it is the price for justice. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Advocating violence." - Pascall))[/highlight]

Lmfao and to think how much shit I (and other Eastern Europeans) got from high and mighty FPers when we were saying similar things people said here about gypsies few years ago. There's also some absurd cognitive dissonance happening here where people generalize about them that much yet ignore or refuse to acknowledge other groups like muslim immigrants who also have a problem of refusing to assimilate to host culture. Not all muslim immigrants are like that? Well, neither are gypsies, but that doesn't stop you guys from being a hypocritical bunch, does it?

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52851206]Wow I can't believe the gypsies have the same attitudes in Europe as in Argentina. Here the police has been busting a lot of virtual kidnappings and they were in many cases gypsies. But yeah, perhaps in Europe if you find squatters in your home you can evict them quickly. here in Argentina...it's a lost case. You better find some friends, arm them or give them rebars and try to fight it out with the squatters. There will be casualties. Kids, little girls, a grandpa that was strategically located to delay any opposing force. But it is the price for justice.[/QUOTE] What the fuck [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=dzonint;52851209]Lmfao and to think how much shit I (and other Eastern Europeans) got from high and mighty FPers when we were saying similar things people said here about gypsies few years ago. There's also some absurd cognitive dissonance happening here where people generalize about them that much yet ignore or refuse to acknowledge other groups like muslim immigrants who also have a problem of refusing to assimilate to host culture. Not all muslim immigrants are like that? Well, neither are gypsies, but that doesn't stop you guys from being a hypocritical bunch, does it?[/QUOTE] There's a difference between a muslim conservative who integrates slowly into society while maintaining his/her views and a gypsy who flat-out refuse to do anything productive. Also from my experience some Eastern Europeans wants to murder gypsies and burn down their camps which is pretty different from wanting them to accept society. Or does gypsy genocide = social integration for you?

[QUOTE=dzonint;52851209]Lmfao and to think how much shit I (and other Eastern Europeans) got from high and mighty FPers when we were saying similar things people said here about gypsies few years ago. There's also some absurd cognitive dissonance happening here where people generalize about them that much yet ignore or refuse to acknowledge other groups like muslim immigrants who also have a problem of refusing to assimilate to host culture. Not all muslim immigrants are like that? Well, neither are gypsies, but that doesn't stop you guys from being a hypocritical bunch, does it?[/QUOTE] Look at you trying to justify your xenophobia! Islam is a religion spread across many highly varied cultures. You can't use it as the sole determining factor in whether or not someone is good or bad. On the other hand, gypsyism is a culture of contrarianism and criminality. You can be Romani (ethnicity) without being a gypsy (culture). I don't think anyone here would look twice at a Romani person who's not committing crimes associated with gypsyism except maybe yourself.

[QUOTE=Sableye;52851181]isn't breaking and entering illegal?[/QUOTE] Read the article, they broke in but they had no solid proof of them forcing open the lock. They removed the lock and installed their own. By law, they cannot remove the people from their property. They can however start a complaint but this process can take very long and is not as simple as it sounds, by the time the Justice of Peace has handled the case they might already have trashed the place.

[QUOTE=darth-veger;52851232]Read the article, they broke in but they had no solid proof of them forcing open the lock. They removed the lock and installed their own.[/QUOTE] Locks are obviously intended to keep you out of private property, bypassing them should be illegal regardless of the method by which you do it.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52851233]Locks are obviously intended to keep you out of private property, bypassing them should be illegal regardless of the method by which you do it.[/QUOTE] That is true and what they did was indeed illegal. However they got no proof of this for some fucking reason and so nothing can be done. They installed [URL="http://i101.twenga.com/huis-tuin/schuifsloten/schuifslot-tp_5566384042832377670vb.jpg"]a lock like this[/URL] and the door is basically always open.

The original owners should come home from Vietnam. There must be records within the municipality to prove that they're the legitimate owners and not the gypsies.

Romani people have had many years to become functional members of society here in Sweden, but yet they act like fuckups. Stereotypes exist for a reason, and unfortunately the stereotype of romanis being criminal beggars, scammers and thiefs is something everyone I have slight contact with have experienced as well when it comes to romanis. They refuse to functional in a modern society or intergrate into our system we have here.

[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;52850878]Well you are discriminating against an entire ethnic group based on the actions of some of their members, so yeah, you are being a racist.[/QUOTE] Nobody's commenting on members of the Romani ethnic group who have integrated into modern society and are otherwise the same as everyone else. They're commenting on the specific sub-culture colloquially called gypsies, who frequently demonstrate bad behavior and a deliberate unwillingness to integrate. It's not about their race, ethnicity, or other innate characteristics. It's about their culture, which is not and should never be off-limits to criticism. I've known people of Romani descent, they're good people and there is nothing different about them compared to anyone else. But gypsy culture is a downright disgrace.