Couple returns from work trip to find 13 gypsies have moved into their house. - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;52850941]it's worth noting the majority of romani/roma/gypsies are illiterate and by choosing to keep their children out of school they are pretty much deciding their kids, grandkids, and so on also will be illiterate. why go to school if neither your siblings, your parents, your grandparents, great grandparents etc never did?[/QUOTE] That's the thing, they're stuck in this shitty cycle and don't know any better which is why we shouldn't just resort to this "just fuck them all" attitude whenever they're brought up because that's clearly not helping the situation. I can't speak for you guys on the continent but the majority of British Roma/Romani however are actually settled and normal members of society because at some point over the years they realised their way of life (my family included) was less sustainable as industrialisation took over. I guess we can only hope the rest will eventually move on too.

Shit like this can also happen in the form of Airbnb, like this [URL="https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/Hosting/Tenant-won-t-move/td-p/11534"]post[/URL] where someone refuses to leave.

to be fair systematic roma inclusion efforts have a history of a bit over 10 years at this point. before that it was all about mass deportations, restrictions of movement and forced assimilation (usually results in the opposite of the goal) and that's just in the 20th century.

[QUOTE=Evil_Toot;52851286]That's the thing, they're stuck in this shitty cycle and don't know any better which is why we shouldn't just resort to this "just fuck them all" attitude whenever they're brought up because that's clearly not helping the situation. I can't speak for you guys on the continent but the majority of British Roma/Romani however are actually settled and normal members of society because at some point over the years they realised their way of life (my family included) was less sustainable as industrialisation took over. I guess we can only hope the rest will eventually move on too.[/QUOTE] Didn't a group of Romas in the UK use support funds to create a cannabis farm last year?

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;52851445]Didn't a group of Romas in the UK use support funds to create a cannabis farm last year?[/QUOTE] I doubt Roma are the only people who would use their benefits to grow drugs, come on. [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-40744865"]At least they weren't stealing £14,000 a month in electricity to do it[/URL]

[QUOTE=archangel125;52850975]The reason people always appear to be racist towards Romani people is because, as far as I can gather, their very culture is based around being a counterculture to wherever they live. In other words, they consider themselves beholden to no law but their own, and seem to believe they can go where they will, do what they want and take what they want. With such a culture, no act of kindness goes unpunished. It's perfectly fair to criticize them if this is true, isn't it? Of course, if I've got the wrong idea, please correct me.[/QUOTE] Considering that once my dad, who is a landlord, with a bunch of gypsie family tennants living there, they really do not care about our laws. My dad told me once how one of the women lamented her marriage, my dad told her to get a divorce but she said for that she would have to travel to Poland and speak with the gypsy King, I shit you not, and if she went through with it she would be exiled. I'm just picturing a massive castle made out of old caravans stacked high and the mountain king song playing as you approach.

[QUOTE=Evil_Toot;52851503]I doubt Roma are the only people who would use their benefits to grow drugs, come on. [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-40744865"]At least they weren't stealing £14,000 a month in electricity to do it[/URL][/QUOTE] Not what I was saying, it's just that I remember the article and how the local authorities wondered how the tiny property inhabited by the gypsies could use so much power and then they stumbled upon the cannabis farm. I think it was this but I'm not sure: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3640555/3m-taxpayer-funded-gypsy-camp-housed-giant-cannabis-plantation-worth-340-000-year.html[/url]

I worked at a scrap yard last year (UK), they always come in with stolen vans, stolen scrap, park up their camps on school fields and half of them cant read. Its amazing. Worst smell/disgusting places i've ever come across is the back of some of those vans. Im surprised they get around so successfully, non of their kids go to school, they just exist as those travelling packs.

[QUOTE=darth-veger;52851294]Shit like this can also happen in the form of Airbnb, like this [URL="https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/Hosting/Tenant-won-t-move/td-p/11534"]post[/URL] where someone refuses to leave.[/QUOTE] This just solidifies California as a state whose laws are fucked up. First the divorce which bankrupted Brendan Fraser and now squatters on airbnb taking advantage of overly lax tenant protections.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52851638]This just solidifies California as a state whose laws are fucked up. First the divorce which bankrupted Brendan Fraser and now squatters on airbnb taking advantage of overly lax tenant protections.[/QUOTE] Don't forget knowingly infecting someone with HIV isn't a felony anymore.

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;52851611]Not what I was saying, it's just that I remember the article and how the local authorities wondered how the tiny property inhabited by the gypsies could use so much power and then they stumbled upon the cannabis farm. I think it was this but I'm not sure: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3640555/3m-taxpayer-funded-gypsy-camp-housed-giant-cannabis-plantation-worth-340-000-year.html[/url][/QUOTE] Okay? A weed farm got busted, big deal. Or does them being Roma make it special?

The only two groups of people whose offensive generalizations are well deserved: Chinese tourists, and Gypsies :v: No but seriously though, we have problems with them in the states as well; just not to the same degree of what Europe has to deal with. They wouldn't be able to get away with half of that shit you all mentioned around here. We have a family of them near town and literally every local business knows them by name because they're always caught stealing from businesses, and they try to start shit whenever they get caught. The entire family is like this, adults and children included.

[QUOTE=Evil_Toot;52851647]Okay? A weed farm got busted, big deal. Or does them being Roma make it special?[/QUOTE] They were using government benefit checks to fund an illegal operation. "Hurr durr legalize it" and all that crap but they were still using benefits to fund organized crime. [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=dzonint;52851209]Lmfao and to think how much shit I (and other Eastern Europeans) got from high and mighty FPers when we were saying similar things people said here about gypsies few years ago. There's also some absurd cognitive dissonance happening here where people generalize about them that much yet ignore or refuse to acknowledge other groups like muslim immigrants who also have a problem of refusing to assimilate to host culture. Not all muslim immigrants are like that? Well, neither are gypsies, but that doesn't stop you guys from being a hypocritical bunch, does it?[/QUOTE] Your comparison sucks. A more apt one would be us criticizing Wahabist Muslims for not integrating and being harmful to society overall. Romani are not a race of people, they are a culture.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52851682]Your comparison sucks. A more apt one would be us criticizing Wahabist Muslims for not integrating and being harmful to society overall. Romani are not a race of people, they are a culture.[/QUOTE] Romani is actually an ethnicity and gypsy can be used pejoratively to refer to all of them but obviously we aren't in the context of this discussion, we're referring to those who choose to live as destructive gypsies

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52851706]Romani is actually an ethnicity and gypsy can be used pejoratively to refer to all of them but obviously we aren't in the context of this discussion, we're referring to those who choose to live as destructive gypsies[/QUOTE] Youre right, I had the wrong term in there. You got to it before I could.

I know you can't physically remove them, but what about an extended psychological warfare campaign?

[QUOTE=Dispenser;52851734]I know you can't physically remove them, but what about an extended psychological warfare campaign?[/QUOTE] "Stop begging or we'll beg [b]harder[/b]."

I've always been fairly glad that the gypsie or squatting thing isn't anywhere near as common in the US as it is in Europe. I've vaguely heard of them here or there, but not often. I can't imagine a situation where things don't get dicey or violent when I find some people just living on my property out of the blue because they decided since I havent been there in a while that it isn't mine.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52851709]Youre right, I had the wrong term in there. You got to it before I could.[/QUOTE] Yeah I figured that's what you meant but I wanted to make sure the difference was established for the purpose of discussion so people can't go "b-but you're also discriminating!"

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52851682]They were using government benefit checks to fund an illegal operation. "Hurr durr legalize it" and all that crap but they were still using benefits to fund organized crime.[/QUOTE] Again, is the fact that they're Roma relevant? There's plenty to criticise about parts of their culture but I don't see what pointing out an instance of crime out of nowhere with nothing to do with what I said was supposed to accomplish.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;52851060]This is a common misconception and it's important to note it: Romania and the Roma are not the same thing. While Romania has a big Roma population, it's not where the majority of them are from, they are two completely different ethnic groups with a completely different culture.[/QUOTE] Thanks for saying this. My parents are both Romanian and they both have had horrible experiences with gypsies. Both of them have been robbed and attacked by gypsies multiple times in the past. It sucks that people always assume Romanians = gypsies.

[QUOTE=Sableye;52851181]isn't breaking and entering illegal?[/QUOTE] Why wouldn't it be? Also [url]http://www.dutchamsterdam.nl/555-squatting-in-amsterdam[/url]

Been a while since Facepunch has had a good 'ol Roma hating thread. [QUOTE=evilweazel;52851822]I've always been fairly glad that the gypsie or squatting thing isn't anywhere near as common in the US as it is in Europe. I've vaguely heard of them here or there, but not often. I can't imagine a situation where things don't get dicey or violent when I find some people just living on my property out of the blue because they decided since I havent been there in a while that it isn't mine.[/QUOTE] The United States has one of the largest Roma populations on Earth.

[QUOTE=autodesknoob;52851065]tell me hows this different from what you are saying.[/QUOTE] I feel like a better, non-reaching equivalent would be "thug" to be honest.

[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;52851645]Don't forget knowingly infecting someone with HIV isn't a felony anymore.[/QUOTE] Jesus christ does this bullshit have to come up in every thread. [QUOTE=Dispenser;52851734]I know you can't physically remove them, but what about an extended psychological warfare campaign?[/QUOTE] Helping yourself in a civil case like this is usually illegal and will get you fined, at least in the US. [QUOTE=Svinnik;52851638]This just solidifies California as a state whose laws are fucked up. First the divorce which bankrupted Brendan Fraser and now squatters on airbnb taking advantage of overly lax tenant protections.[/QUOTE] To be fair this happens in pretty much every state. Several actually have that exact law that says that staying for over 30 days qualifies you with tenant rights and protections. In most cases, you have to file a lawsuit that can take months or even years to complete. And you can't shut off utilities or lock them out when they're home. Even as a local example in Texas, there's this one house in my neighborhood that has been squatted since the financial crisis. They've basically piled the yard with a bunch of dead trucks, are raising a family in there, and the house is owned by the bank who've been trying to sell it ever since. But even being listed at well below what its real market value is (nice house, nice neighborhood,) no one has bit for years because they don't want to go through the legal process of evicting them and paying people to remove all their shit. These laws likely have decent reasons to exist but damn the consequences can be shit sometimes.

I can see there being use in completely unused homes being appropriated by poor people, but there should be some legal way of doing it rather than just...breaking in and sitting there.

[QUOTE=grr164;52851049]We don’t have squatters rights here in the States, but I do level with the deceptive tactics by ‘homeless’ beggars. I’m from a city that borders Detroit, I could walk 2 miles and be there. MANY of the supposedly homeless people in that area beg for money on the same corner with the same story for years and years. One of my good friends managed a bar in downtown Detroit, there was a guy that would come around almost every week asking for money for the bus. Finally my buddy broke down and yelled, “Dude you’ve been trying to catch the bus for 4 years, why don’t you just fucking walk?”[/QUOTE] I believe in the United States you have something called the doctrine of "adverse possession". My uncle successfully claimed an unused land after 10-15 (can't remember) years of legal occupation and possession. He also made sure that the owner abandoned his property. In this case, those couple only left for Vietnam for a couple of months. Obviously the statute of limitation hasn't expired (pretty sure in Belgium it's not that different)

[QUOTE=JeSuisIkea;52852136]The United States has one of the largest Roma populations on Earth.[/QUOTE] We're about equal with Brazil. Europe has vastly more Roma than the United States does; millions live in the Balkans alone.

If all of Europe could unite under one cause, I recon' it would be to somehow magically remove all the gypsies. A couple of years ago I remember there was a news report about a city's warm water bills skyrocketing during winter. Turns out the local gypsy gang was stealing the pipe insulation and trying to sell it back as scrap. There were news on national TV telling them to stop doing it since its not even metal. We also have these random issues with them like mobbing, being a cheap political vote (since they have full voting rights), driving goddamn horse carriages in the capital, etc, etc. To everyone with no personal experience with this 'ethnic group' I bid you to reserve your gudgement since this is nothing like your local racial issues.

[QUOTE=JeSuisIkea;52852136]Been a while since Facepunch has had a good 'ol Roma hating thread. The United States has one of the largest Roma populations on Earth.[/QUOTE] Then either they're not that bad in my region or they're much more well integrated, because this type of stuff mostly doesn't fly here, and I don't think I've heard of people actually being harassed and etc. By gypsies, really.