Rockstar revives GTA V modding: OpenIV, Menyoo, more are back online after T2 negotiations - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;52397328]Good to see all the player outcry actually had an effect after all. Leading up to this there were a lot of apathetic and defeatist voices, and not completely without justification. Maybe this can lift some cynical spirits.[/QUOTE] This just goes to show that people can make change if their voices are loud enough. There are some who argue "this will do nothing they don't care blah blah blah" but seriously there's nothing wrong with going up in arms, if everyone had defeatist attitudes then we wouldn't be getting companies backpedaling in instances such as this.

[QUOTE=Uberpro;52397614]Well they sure seemed excited about this one: [URL]http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/37241/original-gta-map-imported-into-gtaiv-found-on-youtube.html[/URL] They're actually plugging for a GTA III to IV conversion in that article as well.[/QUOTE] No idea then. Might be due to them being based on older games in the series. Not to mention said games being ported are also on PC, whereas RDR is only on console, and there's probably some licensing/legal bullshit involved with ripping assets from console games. Though it's probably just Take Two being overprotective of RDR, given RDR 2 is on the way. I'm sure Take Two wouldn't like the RDR mod being compatible with something like FiveM providing a free alternative to RDR 2's upcoming online system.

[QUOTE=Rahu X;52397680]No idea then. Might be due to them being based on older games in the series. Not to mention said games being ported are also on PC, whereas RDR is only on console, and there's probably some licensing/legal bullshit involved with ripping assets from console games. Though it's probably just Take Two being overprotective of RDR, given RDR 2 is on the way. I'm sure Take Two wouldn't like the RDR mod being compatible with something like FiveM providing a free alternative to RDR 2's upcoming online system.[/QUOTE] Sadly you're probably right. They're afraid that a couple of modders porting over content from a 7 year old game might hurt the sales of different game that's not even out yet.

I'm still mad you cant make your character ragdoll in GTA:O

[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;52397563]They issued cease & desists to [i]singleplayer[/i] mods like OpenIV and Menyoo. Pretty much 75% of all GTA V mods were killed off without OpenIV, and there was a chance it wouldn't come back. No publisher has done that before.[/QUOTE] Most mods are still off, because most vehicle/weapon mods are ripped from other games, and the rules say not to use stuff from other IPs :v: Though I can't see T2 going and checking each individual mod.

[QUOTE=Uberpro;52397602]Not really[/QUOTE] Yeah, exactly. RDR is not exactly the same IP as GTA now is it?

[QUOTE=simkas;52398250]Yeah, exactly. RDR is not exactly the same IP as GTA now is it?[/QUOTE] The guidelines say they can't import assets from other Rockstar IPs. that includes RDR

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52397437]They listened, regardless of their motive for doing so. Now we have to show them that we noticed. If the reviews all stay negative they'll be less inclined, from a business perspective, to cooperate in the future.[/QUOTE] I'll show them I noticed by buying their fucking games, not erasing a mark of shame that I think they completely deserve. I bought 4 copies of GTAV prior to things like them shutting down FiveM, but this bullshit was what finally had me debating on whether or not I was buying RDR2 from them at all, despite how much I've been wanting it. If they don't want to co-operate in the future, I'll just refrain from giving them my money in the future. [editline]24th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=simkas;52398250]Yeah, exactly. RDR is not exactly the same IP as GTA now is it?[/QUOTE] I dunno, does Rockstar make Red Dead Redemption? (yes)

-Wait i think i misread-

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;52397136]T2 is really looking to dethrone EA and UBI as the worst publishers ever it seems, but good on Rockstar for sticking to their guns, I just wish they had more say over what happens to GTA.[/QUOTE] Ubi arent even bad publishers, just their game milking franchises are not so creative.

[QUOTE=CruelAddict;52399330]Ubi arent even bad publishers, just their game milking franchises are not so creative.[/QUOTE] For honor had 700 dollars in micro-transactions on release, that's pretty bad IMO

[QUOTE=CruelAddict;52399330]Ubi arent even bad publishers, just their game milking franchises are not so creative.[/QUOTE] I mean lets be honest, they force you to use their own platform in a pretty shitty way + they blame bad optimization on "Not having good enough hardware"

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52398282]The guidelines say they can't import assets from other Rockstar IPs. that includes RDR[/QUOTE] Yes, that's what I'm saying. RDR is another Rockstar IP, so they're not letting the modders do anything with it, which is exactly what they said in that statement.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52399354]I mean lets be honest, they force you to use their own platform in a pretty shitty way + they blame bad optimization on "Not having good enough hardware"[/QUOTE] Not to mention their DRM shenanigans. I'd say they're pretty bad but even they don't fight modding. Not that any of Ubis games has a developed modding scene.

[QUOTE=Uberpro;52397582]They just backpedaled on a single decision because it hurt their steam reviews and made a statement that really doesn't change or mean anything.[/QUOTE] Ah yes, the infamous "backpedaling" whenever anyone corrects their mistakes ever.

[QUOTE=Keychain;52399608]Ah yes, the infamous "backpedaling" whenever anyone corrects their mistakes ever.[/QUOTE] English is not my native language. Maybe saying they reversed it would be less offensive?

[QUOTE=Uberpro;52399726]English is not my native language. Maybe saying they reversed it would be less offensive?[/QUOTE] Yeah that's better! Sorry, I thought you said it full-knowing what people usually use it intently. "Backpedaling" is more so referred to people who shift focus away from their original argument without admitting they were wrong. It's actually kinda hard to explain lol.

[QUOTE=simkas;52399440]Yes, that's what I'm saying. RDR is another Rockstar IP, so they're not letting the modders do anything with it, which is exactly what they said in that statement.[/QUOTE] You said "Which took a map from another Rockstar game and put into GTA, which falls perfectly in line with [B]what they're defining as okay now.[/B]" Made it sound like you were saying it was allowed.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52399737]You said "Which took a map from another Rockstar game and put into GTA, which falls perfectly in line with [B]what they're defining as okay now.[/B]" Made it sound like you were saying it was allowed.[/QUOTE] No, I was saying that them shutting down the RDR map port falls perfectly in line with what they're saying is okay and what's not okay now.

[QUOTE=simkas;52399743]No, I was saying that them shutting down the RDR map port falls perfectly in line with what they're saying is okay and what's not okay now.[/QUOTE] What's okay and what's not okay now is not any different from what it was a year ago. It's an empty PR statement.

[QUOTE=Uberpro;52399756]What's okay and what's not okay now is not any different from what it was a year ago. It's an empty PR statement.[/QUOTE] Yes, that's what I just said. Good job.

I'm keeping my review negative, T2 might have given in now but there is no guarantee they are not going to fuck around with single player modding again in future, frankly I think they've damaged their reputation beyond repair with this.

[QUOTE=Loadingue;52397120]GTA V was the most expensive game to produce, ever. They could go self-publishing, but they'd never be able to make a worthy successor to GTA V.[/QUOTE] Right, developers don't stick with publishers purely to handle the logistics of distribution (but fuck doing that yourself if you do need physical releases, holy shit), but also because publishers have a shitload of capital from investors and will re-invest that into your projects, meaning you risk less to produce a game. Obviously your game still needs to do well, otherwise you lose both yourself AND your investors money, and almost certainly will lose your contract. But when you're making games to the AAA scale you really can't just go it alone for the most part. They're very expensive to produce after all, and we as consumers are only asking for more and more every iteration.

Also i read somewhere that TakeTwo owns a majority share of Rockstar?

[QUOTE=J!NX;52399354]I mean lets be honest, they force you to use their own platform in a pretty shitty way + they blame bad optimization on "Not having good enough hardware"[/QUOTE] They long since changed. For Honor is decent, Siege is too. Im not denying they are filthy cashgrabbers, but nothing too stupid.

Refunded my purchase on Bioshock because I didn't realize that T2 owned 2K Games (that and both the Remastered edition and original version are absolute buggy messes). Don't feel the need to support these hacks even indirectly and I hope at the very least if Take Two doesn't get their shit together, the developers owned by them should all find a better publisher that suits everyone's best interests.

funnily enough i never wanted to try GTA5 mods before this whole fiasco. Might be time to try fucking around in SP for a bit before something like this happens again

[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52400561]funnily enough i never wanted to try GTA5 mods before this whole fiasco. Might be time to try fucking around in SP for a bit before something like this happens again[/QUOTE] Bad publicity is good publicity, GTA V is already half price