[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52587323]The way the thread is going, it seems like half of all the Finnish on Facepunch live in this city.[/QUOTE]
Finland doesn't have that many large cities. Probably at least half of finns are in top 10 of cities by population.
Also, this is too well timed, related?
[media]https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/898567712745672704[/media]
[URL]http://www.ts.fi/uutiset/paikalliset/3621798/TS+seuraa+Poliisin+tiedotustilaisuus+hetki+hetkelta++tilaisuus+alkaa+kello+1900[/URL]
Police press conference summary, here follows a very rough translation. Information is not in the same order as presented, condensed somewhat.
[quote]-- The attacker is a young, foreign looking male. The police have the weapon he used.
– The suspect stabbed 9 people, of whom 2 have died. All were adults. Some have yet to have their identity confirmed.
– Police shot the suspect in the thigh, he is now in hospital
– From the police receiving the call at 16:02, to stopping the suspect, lasted 20 minutes.
– Investigation has been transferred to the National Bureau of Investigation, at this time only one suspect is being investigated. They are also working with Europol
– The person's identity is being confirmed currently, as well as any potential accomplices. Currently there is only one suspect, and while it is possible there are accomplices, a lone attack seems most likely.
– The 7 injured are in hospital receiving medical attention. Of the two that have died, one died in the market square and another in hospital.
– Police have not confirmed the claims of "Allahu ackbar" being shouted, nor is it currently being treated as a terrorism incident; though that possibility remains open.
– The centre of town is now safe, increased police presence, situation is over. Security in Turku and Helsinki's harbours has been raised, as well at Helsinki-Vantaa airport. Foreign surveillance has been increased.
– Finnish Security Intelligence Service currently determining, if the suspect is one known to them prior. Alertness raised across the whole of Finland. Police are checking surveillance tapes.
– Minister of the Interior Paula Risikko has expressed her deepest condolences to the victims and their relatives and loved ones, and to all those affected by the attack.
– National Police Commissioner Seppo Kolehmainen: The police should be left to investigate, and the relatives and loved ones of the victims left to mourn, in peace. Police presence in Turku will be increased.
– Police confirm that people in the market square defended the victims and drove the attacker away
– President Sauli Niinistö is arriving in Turku
– Security has been increased at Turku University Hospital
– Currently, no further information about the stabbings and the order in which they occurred will be given.
– Both city authorities and Tyks are organising crisis help, check their websites for more info.
– Info session ends 19:30.[/quote]
hand out medals to those who chased the manlet stabber wielding baseball bats and tables, they probably ended up saving lives by chasing him away
I never really expected this to start happening in Finland. This is also going to encourage asswipes like the Soldiers of Odin.
Wouldnt this be time to stop posting #prayforturku and do something?
Police stopped the attacker by shooting him in the leg, I might point out
BBC has a fairly comprehensive article up now. Satellite image is out of date tho, the two trees outside my place got cut down over a week ago :v
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40978446[/url]
[QUOTE=Talishmar;52587951]Police stopped the attacker by shooting him in the leg, I might point out[/QUOTE]
B-B-But that only works in movies!
[QUOTE=joost1120;52588146]B-B-But that only works in movies![/QUOTE]
Police don't aim for the legs because it severely increases the chance of the suspect bleeding to death. It has nothing to do with hollywood.
[QUOTE=153x;52588196]Police don't aim for the legs because it severely increases the chance of the suspect bleeding to death. It has nothing to do with hollywood.[/QUOTE]
Doubt the chances of survival are lower than shooting someone in the chest though (especially considering US police shoots multiple times). But that's not what this thread is about. If anyone wants to discuss this further, hit it up in PMs please.
I really didn't expect this attack in Finland out of all places. I hope it's not actually a terrorist attack. Most terrorist attacks are often claimed by terrorist groups within hours, if the terrorist himself didn't already shout it.
[QUOTE=RasmusG5;52587919]Wouldnt this be time to stop posting #prayforturku and do something?[/QUOTE]
It would be a time to not shit on people who are trying to unite people together against terrorism
[QUOTE=djjkxbox;52588227]It would be a time to not shit on people who are trying to unite people together against terrorism[/QUOTE]
To be fair hashtag activism hasn't really gotten us anywhere so far. Rasmus' post seems harsh but how many concerts are going to be blown up and crowds mowed down before we actually do something to prevent this further?
Turku is a beautiful city in a beautiful country, I was at that market square last week and it saddens and angers me deeply that attacks like these are still happening and are spreading to my home country. A facebook filter won't remedy any of this.
[QUOTE=Deri101;52588500]To be fair hashtag activism hasn't really gotten us anywhere so far. Rasmus' post seems harsh but how many concerts are going to be blown up and crowds mowed down before we actually do something to prevent this further?
Turku is a beautiful city in a beautiful country, I was at that market square last week and it saddens and angers me deeply that attacks like these are still happening and are spreading to my home country. A facebook filter won't remedy any of this.[/QUOTE]
A Facebook filter or hashtags won't stop it happening, no. But it helps people who have been affected and brings people together. What needs to be done to actually stop terrorism is completely separate from this, so there's nothing wrong with people using Facebook filters or hashtags to help bring unity in difficult times. People who get aggravated over people using hashtags/filters, are spreading hate, which is completely disrespectful at a time like this
[QUOTE=djjkxbox;52588522]A Facebook filter or hashtags won't stop it happening, no. But it helps people who have been affected and brings people together. What needs to be done to actually stop terrorism is completely separate from this, so there's nothing wrong with people using Facebook filters or hashtags to help bring unity in difficult times.[/QUOTE]
Of course, unity is essential in times of crisis and I don't want to undermine that at all. But the main issue: stopping these attacks, seems to be the smallest concern for people. I get the impression that people just mourn and move on, only to act utterly flabbergasted when it happens again.
[QUOTE=Deri101;52588534]Of course, unity is essential in times of crisis. But the main issue: stopping these attacks, seems to be the smallest concern for people. I get the impression that people just mourn and move on and act utterly flabbergasted when it happens again.[/QUOTE]
There's not much the general public can do aside from push for change, but people in authority who have the ability to make changes, could do a lot more, so I do get where you're coming from there.
[QUOTE=Lil_Roach;52587205]I've never seen so many Finish flags in one thread before.[/QUOTE]
[img]https://d30y9cdsu7xlg0.cloudfront.net/png/13118-200.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Zestence;52587669]I never really expected this to start happening in Finland. This is also going to encourage asswipes like the Soldiers of Odin.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly what the assholes behind these attacks want.
Because your nations show compassion (and thank goodness you do) and allow in refugees, it gives their victims somewhere to run to, somewhere to find support. They want that support to be cut off so that these assholes can convince their victims that the West doesn't want them, that they don't trust them, that they're against them.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;52587471]hand out medals to those who chased the manlet stabber wielding baseball bats and tables, they probably ended up saving lives by chasing him away[/QUOTE]
The image of some mass killer with a short sword fleeing for his life, chased by a bunch of guys with sticks, bats and a table kinda reminds me of this
[t]http://i4.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article9662240.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/page.jpg[/t]
[URL=https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9785697]So they're looking into it as terrorist act[/URL], and the suspect's an 18 year old Morocco citizen who they know the identity of.
The two deceased are Finnish citizens, but the wounded include one Italian and two Swedish citizens.
Three wounded are still in ICU, including the suspect.
[editline]19th August 2017[/editline]
[URL=https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9785767]One of the victims is under 18[/URL], four of the victims have been released from the hospital, no details on the deceased.
[QUOTE=153x;52588196]Police don't aim for the legs because it severely increases the chance of the suspect bleeding to death. It has nothing to do with hollywood.[/QUOTE]
in europe (might depend on country) the police are trained to actually do the contrary and aim for the legs first unless the situation is very extreme (something like instant threat of being shot back at because even gun wielding perps most often get shot in the legs). "non lethal shots" are a concept that exists here.
edit: u can find blogs about american law enforcers who have traveled to certain european countries and noticed this while watching training screech about it because it's such a different paradigm.
[QUOTE=RasmusG5;52587919]Wouldnt this be time to stop posting #prayforturku and do something?[/QUOTE]
the solutions outside preventative law enforcement create their own problems. too tightly controlled immigration might actually become uncontrolled as smuggling would be the main viable way of getting passage into a country. if communities of illegal aliens completely undocumented and outside the law were to form it would create huge risks of abuse, organised crime and it would encourage radicalisation and terrorism rather than cull it. for determined attackers there is more than one way to infiltrate a country.
I guess they're trying to establish that "nobody is safe" by attacking place like Finland that's basically nowhere and has a very small population. Not really effective though, pretty sure it's more likely I get struck by lightning than even seeing something like this ever.
International news coverage will probably die off pretty soon. It'll be domestic news for a while but with 5,5mil people that's not effective propaganda-wise.
-snip not confirmed-
[URL=https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9785893]The Police believe he was targeting women[/URL], the wounded males were seemingly hurt trying to help the victims.
There are also four other Moroccon citizens in custody while looking into their possible participation, while one more is internationally wanted.
Both deceased are females, and two of the wounded were male while the rest female.
There were no Swedish citizens wounded in the altercation, but one of them was a Great Britain citizen.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52588617]That's exactly what the assholes behind these attacks want.
Because your nations show compassion (and thank goodness you do) and allow in refugees, it gives their victims somewhere to run to, somewhere to find support. They want that support to be cut off so that these assholes can convince their victims that the West doesn't want them, that they don't trust them, that they're against them.[/QUOTE]
Do we have any evidence from the previous attacks in Europe in the past few years that would corroborate with this?
I've seen this reasoning posted here quite a few times, but I have yet to find out about an attacker whose motive is known and indicates something similar.
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;52587057]Until the relevant authorities confirmed it's one, it's just an incident.
The title should be changed, it's only gonna cause panic.[/QUOTE]
Thank God because I wouldn't be worried in which several people were stabbed and killed in an incident but if it was a terrorist attack I'd lose my fucking mind
[QUOTE=Deri101;52588500]To be fair hashtag activism hasn't really gotten us anywhere so far. Rasmus' post seems harsh but how many concerts are going to be blown up and crowds mowed down before we actually do something to prevent this further?
Turku is a beautiful city in a beautiful country, I was at that market square last week and it saddens and angers me deeply that attacks like these are still happening and are spreading to my home country. A facebook filter won't remedy any of this.[/QUOTE]
Do you genuinely believe that hashtag activism is draining resources from the people who actually have any agency to counter terrorism?
The piece of shit was a Moroccan asylum seeker, the question is why in the fuck are we taking in refugees from a completely safe country
fuck the green party and leftists, this is all their fault
[QUOTE=Rufia;52590158]Do you genuinely believe that hashtag activism is draining resources from the people who actually have any agency to counter terrorism?[/QUOTE]
Not what I said. I'm just saying that instead of actually trying to make a difference, people content themselves with a post on social media and move on.
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52590170]The piece of shit was a Moroccan asylum seeker, the question is why in the fuck are we taking in refugees from a completely safe country
fuck the green party and leftists, this is all their fault[/QUOTE]
As expected from a user named "DudesonsFan".
Do your self a favour and keep these thoughts to yourself because you're just going to get into trouble. Also stop being dumb.
[QUOTE=Calkkuna;52590319]As expected from a user named "DudesonsFan".
Do your self a favour and keep these thoughts to yourself because you're just going to get into trouble. Also stop being dumb.[/QUOTE]
Can't come up with anything else so you resort to giving me shit about my (admittedly stupid-ass) username that i picked as a dumb tween and that i wish i could change for something else
real classy bro
at least you didn't use the basic leftist counter-argument and call me a racist fascist nazi trump supporter
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52590170]The piece of shit was a Moroccan asylum seeker, the question is why in the fuck are we taking in refugees from a completely safe country
fuck the green party and leftists, this is all their fault[/QUOTE]
I think it was the terrorists fault
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52590170]fuck the green party and leftists, this is all their fault[/QUOTE]citation needed, honestly
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