The far-left is responsible for the needlessly lax refugee policies that allow terrorists to come here among the actual people in need of help
and when someone dares to suggest enforcing stricter policies they go absolutely berserk with the racist cards
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52590408]The far-left is responsible for the needlessly lax refugee policies that allow terrorists to come here among the actual people in need of help
and when someone dares to suggest enforcing stricter policies they go absolutely berserk with the racist cards[/QUOTE]
It could well have been a Finnish citizen radicalized at home, like the perpetrators of some of the attacks in the UK
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52590408]The far-left is responsible for the needlessly lax refugee policies that allow terrorists to come here among the actual people in need of help
and when someone dares to suggest enforcing stricter policies they go absolutely berserk with the racist cards[/QUOTE]
Im not sure about Finland in specific but the rest of Europe has some pretty strict refugee policies? Can you point out what is lax?
Plus, a lot of these terrorists are domestic. Blocking refugees will not end those attacks
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52590170]The piece of shit was a Moroccan asylum seeker, the question is why in the fuck are we taking in refugees from a completely safe country
fuck the green party and leftists, this is all their fault[/QUOTE]
Asylum seeker, not refugee. The only way to prevent this would be to summarily and immediately kick out anyone who applies for asylum. Criteria for getting one are pretty strict already, that's thanks to government that is somewhat anti-asylum. Incidentally, greens and leftist haven't been in the government for years, so you're really barking at the wrong tree.
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52590408]The far-left is responsible for the needlessly lax refugee policies that allow terrorists to come here among the actual people in need of help
and when someone dares to suggest enforcing stricter policies they go absolutely berserk with the racist cards[/QUOTE]
They're being enforced as we speak. Refugee policies have been thoroughly revised since the left party was in government. People disagreeing with you is mostly down to you being uninformed and knee-jerking against refugee policies and left for no good reason whatsoever.
the sentiment that the whole debacle is entirely the fault of our leftists only serves to strengthen the left's direct opposition, the hardliners of which will then do their best to alienate foreigners, who will then be more susceptible to radical ideals, and the cycle continues
[editline]shit[/editline]
oh and like Vlevs said, for a good while the three dominant parties have been center, center-right and far right, so to hell with that "leftists" talk
[QUOTE=da space core;52590431]Blocking refugees will not end those attacks[/QUOTE]
A Moroccan citizen could not be considered a refugee though.
Which leads to these two options:
a. His asylum request was granted. The question is, on which grounds? I'm not saying there couldn't have been some special circumstance, but its unlikely.
b. His request was denied. In which case, what was he still doing in the country a year after his arrival? Morocco has already stated that they are willing to help to take back their own citizens last year, so it should be a speedier process.
-snip, outdated-
A police lead to MTV says that the asylum seeker had been denied asylum and had arrived to the country last year.
[url]https://www.mtv.fi/uutiset/rikos/artikkeli/lahde-mtv-lle-turun-epailty-puukottaja-on-saanut-suomessa-kielteisen-turvapaikkapaatoksen/6542372[/url]
[QUOTE=Joazzz;52590490]the sentiment that the whole debacle is entirely the fault of our leftists only serves to strengthen the left's direct opposition, the hardliners of which will then do their best to alienate foreigners, who will then be more susceptible to radical ideals, and the cycle continues
[editline]shit[/editline]
oh and like Vlevs said, for a good while the three dominant parties have been center, center-right and far right, so to hell with that "leftists" talk[/QUOTE]
Sipilä and Orpo claim to be center and center-right, but they're basically leftist on asylum policies and Soini is a spineless turncoat
Protestors gathering at the scene.
[img]https://im.mtv.fi/image/6542528/landscape16_9/1024/576/447e073fc14b9ce2e3de6157c7eac43e/al/turun-mielenosoitus-19-8-2017.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52590521]Soini is a spineless turncoat[/QUOTE]can't argue with that
i wouldn't call Sipilä right or left, seems more like the kind of guy who runs in whichever direction benefits him personally the most - so basic kepu i guess
[QUOTE=Namelezz!;52590522]Protestors gathering at the scene.
[img]https://im.mtv.fi/image/6542528/landscape16_9/1024/576/447e073fc14b9ce2e3de6157c7eac43e/al/turun-mielenosoitus-19-8-2017.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Protesting what, exactly?
Look at all those ISIS terrorists with their Allah is the One God hand signs
[t]https://horobox.co.uk/u/u4Ai6g.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Joazzz;52590531]can't argue with that
i wouldn't call Sipilä right or left, seems more like the kind of guy who runs in whichever direction benefits him personally the most - so basic kepu i guess[/QUOTE]
Kokoomus and Keskusta both have their parts to play in this disaster. No proper vetting of asylum seekers (eg. [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3357183/Iraqi-twin-brothers-accused-taking-one-ISIS-s-biggest-massacres-held-police-having-travelled-way-Finland.html"]2 ISIS fighters in my former hometown[/URL], NSFL) and no idea where most of the undocumented ones are at the moment. When these things inevitably happen, they turn to quiet things down and start shifting the blame. I fear the worst is yet to come.
Unfortunately tensions are already quite high - the people hate the current government. This might be the tipping point.
[editline]19th August 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52590535]Protesting what, exactly?[/QUOTE]
Counter protest to those more on the uh, nationalist side. A fellow by the name of Marco de Wit is on the scene doing the whole anti-immigrant rhetoric.
[IMG]https://im.mtv.fi/image/6542542/landscape16_9/1024/576/93bc0f5f8e8eac8e6dc320b700ec8b91/HB/turun-mielenosoitus-suomi-ensin-19-08-2017.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://im.mtv.fi/image/6542544/landscape16_9/1024/576/7b8d5bf6a709190e8cf14a16b4f6c108/cE/suomi-ensin.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Kecske;52590131]Do we have any evidence from the previous attacks in Europe in the past few years that would corroborate with this?
I've seen this reasoning posted here quite a few times, but I have yet to find out about an attacker whose motive is known and indicates something similar.[/QUOTE]
No hard evidence, this is simply according to my observation.
Observation of things such as:
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52590170]The piece of shit was a Moroccan asylum seeker, the question is why in the fuck are we taking in refugees from a completely safe country
fuck the green party and leftists, this is all their fault[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Namelezz!;52590546]Kokoomus and Keskusta both have their parts to play in this disaster. No proper vetting of asylum seekers (eg. [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3357183/Iraqi-twin-brothers-accused-taking-one-ISIS-s-biggest-massacres-held-police-having-travelled-way-Finland.html"]2 ISIS fighters in my former hometown[/URL], NSFL) and no idea where most of the undocumented ones are at the moment. When these things inevitably happen, they turn to quiet things down and start shifting the blame. I fear the worst is yet to come.
Unfortunately tensions are already quite high - the people hate the current government. This might be the tipping point.
[editline]19th August 2017[/editline]
Counter protest to those more on the uh, nationalist side. A fellow by the name of Marco de Wit is on the scene doing the whole anti-immigrant rhetoric.
[t]https://im.mtv.fi/image/6542542/landscape16_9/1024/576/93bc0f5f8e8eac8e6dc320b700ec8b91/HB/turun-mielenosoitus-suomi-ensin-19-08-2017.jpg[/t]
[t]https://im.mtv.fi/image/6542544/landscape16_9/1024/576/7b8d5bf6a709190e8cf14a16b4f6c108/cE/suomi-ensin.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Compounded with the notion that groups like these benefit from people being ignorant, as the ignorant won't know any better to question.
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52590408]The far-left is responsible for the needlessly lax refugee policies that allow terrorists to come here among the actual people in need of help
and when someone dares to suggest enforcing stricter policies they go absolutely berserk with the racist cards[/QUOTE]Far-left in the Finnish government? Was the last government composition you were aware of from the 1960s?
The current lot are hardly competent, but that doesn't make them SKP reincarnated.
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Pizza place owned by an Iraqi Kurd w/ Finnish citizenship got attacked by some bloke who threatened to kill them. Dumb shit waited around long enough for them to take a picture of him :v
[URL]https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9786024[/URL]
[editline]edit[/editline]
Few updates and clarifications:
Attack lasted from 16:02 to 16:05 when the attacker got shot.
Attacker is 18yr old Moroccan who arrived in Finland a year ago and applied for asylum. Been living in a refugee centre since then.
Attack is being treated as a terrorist incident, potentially premeditated. Not believed that attacker and victims knew each other. Attacker has not spoken to police except to state his age, it seems.
Seemed to be specifically targeting women, only attacking men who got in the way. Total of 10 victims between 15-67yrs old, of whom 2 died, 3 are in intensive care, 4 released from hospital.
Four others of Moroccan descent have been arrested whom knew the attacker. Neither them nor the attacker were previously known to or suspected by KRP.
The reports of a Brit and a Swede being injured are of the same person; Finnish media seems to have been referring to them as a Swede while others referred to them as a Brit. Paramedic born in Kent now living in Sweden.
[URL]https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9785770[/URL]
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;52591097]Far-left in the Finnish government? Was the last government composition you were aware of from the 1960s?
The current lot are hardly competent, but that doesn't make them SKP reincarnated.[/QUOTE]
I know the far-left aren't in the government, thank fuck for that
Doesn't mean that they can't fuck things up from the opposition by doing shit like throwing nazi cards around whenever someone suggests stricter asylum policies
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;52591097]Pizza place owned by an Iraqi Kurd w/ Finnish citizenship got attacked by some bloke who threatened to kill them. Dumb shit waited around long enough for them to take a picture of him :v
[URL]https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9786024[/URL][/QUOTE]
what a goddamn retard
Kurds are good people and hate islamic terrorists just as much as we do, why the fuck would you attack them
then again the dude's heiling in that picture, i get a feeling that he doesn't give a shit as long as it's a brown person that gets attacked
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52590355]Can't come up with anything else so you resort to giving me shit about my (admittedly stupid-ass) username that i picked as a dumb tween and that i wish i could change for something else
real classy bro
at least you didn't use the basic leftist counter-argument and call me a racist fascist nazi trump supporter[/QUOTE]
Also blaming "the leftist" for a terrorist attack when Kokoomus has been in the lead with Perussuomalaiset isn't very classy. What the fuck is your point.
I just suggest you keep your extremely knee jerky reactions to yourself and try to actually form an argument before opening your mouth and talking about what finnish politics are in Finland.
is it now a meme to blame these incidents on anything but Islamic terrorists?
[QUOTE=LAMB SAUCE;52592343]is it now a meme to blame these incidents on anything but Islamic terrorists?[/QUOTE]
it's almost as if they aren't the only threat in the world
[QUOTE=Calkkuna;52592243]Also blaming "the leftist" for a terrorist attack when Kokoomus has been in the lead with Perussuomalaiset isn't very classy. What the fuck is your point.
I just suggest you keep your extremely knee jerky reactions to yourself and try to actually form an argument before opening your mouth and talking about what finnish politics are in Finland.[/QUOTE]
god damnit
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52590521]Sipilä and Orpo claim to be center and center-right, but they're basically leftist on asylum policies and Soini is a spineless turncoat[/QUOTE]
and like i said the leftists can fuck things up from the opposition or without even being real politicians in the first place
remember that dumbfuck priest that's always trying to prevent cops from lawfully deporting people who have been denied asylum
there's tons of idiots like her
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52592917]god damnit
and like i said the leftists can fuck things up from the opposition or [b]without even being real politicians[/b] in the first place
[b]remember that dumbfuck priest[/b] that's always trying to prevent cops from lawfully deporting people who have been denied asylum
there's tons of idiots like her[/QUOTE]
Are you trying to make yourself seem dumb?
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52591861]
what a goddamn retard
Kurds are good people and hate islamic terrorists just as much as we do, why the fuck would you attack them
then again the dude's heiling in that picture, i get a feeling that he doesn't give a shit as long as it's a brown person that gets attacked[/QUOTE]
Who doesn't hate Islamic terrorism?
You make it sound like all people from the Middle East supports Islamic terrorism except the kurds who don't because they are good people?
Stop putting words in my fucking mouth, you know that's not what i meant.
this is going nowhere, i'm done trying to reason with you guys
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52592977]Stop putting words in my fucking mouth, you know that's not what i meant.
this is going nowhere, i'm done trying to reason with you guys[/QUOTE]
Maybe be a bit more specific next time, if you're not saying refugees equals terrorism then what are you saying?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52592981]Maybe be a bit more specific next time, if you're not saying refugees equals terrorism then what are you saying?[/QUOTE]
I know some of the people who helped the victims were also refugees and immigrants, and i have nothing but utmost respect for them
we should not let hatred take over and paint all muslims as terrorists, that's exactly what the fuckers want us to do
but also, turning a blind eye to the problems with our current refugee policies and the far-left obstructing lawful deportations is just as harmful as racism itself
if we want to prevent this shit from happening again, we shouldn't waste any time deporting people who have been denied asylum:
[quote=Reuters]Finnish broadcaster MTV, citing an unnamed source, said the main suspect had been denied asylum in Finland. The police said only that he had been "part of the asylum process".[/quote]
[url=https://www.reuters.com/article/us-finland-stabbing-idUSKCN1AZ00G]sauce[/url]
Calling Soini a spineless turncoat is a extreme.
Soini started PS because he wanted a proper discussion about the requirement of a swedish course in the curiculum of 100% finnish schools and he also wanted a real and honest debate about our immigration policies.
However, his party ended up hijacked by clueless politicias with a hateboner for both fennoswedes and immigrants. Their absurd opinions drowned put the original goal of PS, thats why he jumped the sinking ship and started UE.
Soini himself welcomed neo-Nazis into the party because he wanted the votes.
And then he's supposedly surprised that a bunch of Nazis are rooting for his party. What a fucking joke.
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52593059]I know some of the people who helped the victims were also refugees and immigrants, and i have nothing but utmost respect for them
we should not let hatred take over and paint all muslims as terrorists, that's exactly what the fuckers want us to do
but also, turning a blind eye to the problems with our current refugee policies and the far-left obstructing lawful deportations is just as harmful as racism itself
if we want to prevent this shit from happening again, we shouldn't waste any time deporting people who have been denied asylum:
[url=https://www.reuters.com/article/us-finland-stabbing-idUSKCN1AZ00G]sauce[/url][/QUOTE]
So what are the problems with your current refugee policies? I suppose people not being deported after they've been denied asylum would be one of them, but as far as I know that's because it's more complicated than to just kick them out of the country and that's the end of it.
[editline]20th August 2017[/editline]
Like the guy was already denied asylum in the first place so that's atleast one example of the system working. I don't see this horrible event as a failing of your refugee policies, I don't see how it could be.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52593095]So what are the problems with your current refugee policies? I suppose people not being deported after they've been denied asylum would be one of them, but as far as I know that's because it's more complicated than to just kick them out of the country and that's the end of it.[/QUOTE]
Sure the process takes its time, but the deportees should be treated as a potential terrorism threat until deportation and at least monitored in some way
when you know you're being deported you might turn to some desperate actions thinking you have nothing to lose anyway
but i bet my ass that if a politician dares to even suggest anything like that, they will instantly get indicted for hate speech and called fascist nazi scum by you-know-who
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