A PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds player was falsely banned for stream sniping - Sensationalist Headlines

I think some people in this thread are missing the point that there is zero way to reliably tell if a person is stream sniping aside from maybe watching the replay/if the map view was implemented and seeing if the player basically went in a straight path towards the streamer at the start of the game. Most of the popular streamers cry about stream sniping an awful lot when nothing about their death was remotely suspicious. So to rephrase the statement, are you OK with big streamers being allowed to get any person they want banned just for killing them?

[QUOTE=IliekBoxes;52518207]I've heard about someone being banned for team killing (their friends), now this? I dunno if I want to buy this game anymore. I was thinking about it, but if you can't goof around without getting banned, what's the point?[/QUOTE] Unrelated That one guy you're talking about killed a random matchmaking guy who probably took it the wrong way and reported him, or people saw the stream and reported. I have TKd and been TKd and never got banned, and so has Dunkey. I'd imagine it only happens if its clearly on purpose and with malicious intent. I dont know how they banned the guy for stream sniping, but if he really did it, I wouldn't blame them for doing so. It's more of a problem for Twitch really. There should be a delay.

I almost constantly have gunfights with my friends in-game I don't understand how it could even be bannable unless reported? As for stream sniping, harden up lol

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;52518394]I will not buy a game that bans you for stream snipping, since that's like banning me for singling out a friend in the same game.[/QUOTE] Its actually like banning you from a LAN for peeking the guy next to you.

Not sure I really agree with stream sniping rules either, if you're streaming a competitive game that's only going to give your opponents an unfair advantage if they're watching your screen and you're going to be upset about it then you're better off not streaming it because it'll ruin your fun and the person who stream sniped you once they get banned. Bans are generally for cheating but I can't really see the problem here if you're willingly streaming the game and letting anyone watch your screen then complaining when they do use it against you. This has especially become more common now because people have two screens when playing pc too.

[QUOTE=IliekBoxes;52518207]I've heard about someone being banned for team killing (their friends), now this?[/QUOTE] What [I]actually[/I] happened was they queued up as a 3 man group in Teams and were assigned a 4th player because they didn't disable the teamfill option. They then went and verbally abused the player the whole game, and when they found a motorcycle with a side-car (3 seater), they killed the random player. Unfortunately for the streamer, Playerunknown was actually watching the stream when it happened, and banned him on the spot.

How do you prove / submit evidence of stream sniping? Anyway, if you publicly reveal your position and actions via a stream without delay, isn't it inevitable that you will be at a disadvantage

[QUOTE=Naught;52518584]They want to appeal to streamers because they're the only thing keeping the game afloat[/QUOTE] Whats keeping this game afloat is "Hey (friend), get this and we will play it together"

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52518889]What [I]actually[/I] happened was they queued up as a 3 man group in Teams and were assigned a 4th player because they didn't disable the teamfill option. They then went and verbally abused the player the whole game, and when they found a motorcycle with a side-car (3 seater), they killed the random player. Unfortunately for the streamer, Playerunknown was actually watching the stream when it happened, and banned him on the spot.[/QUOTE] The fact that they can just ban because the creator of the game is watching the stream when something happens doesn't sit well with me

At first I was confused, like wait how is the streamer not the one at fault? Like imagine a basketplayer tweets out a video of their group huddle and they punish the other team for watching the video. The coach asked why they didn't wait till after the match and the player is just like "naw man its gotta be live!" But this is PUBG so of course live-streaming your location in a stealth game is allowed, but watching that stream isnt.

[quote]If a ban has been issued incorrectly, we will admit our mistake and lift the ban. However, it may take some time for us if there is no evidence to prove the banned user's point. We need to make sure by looking into in-game data.[/quote] Guilty until proven innocent, huh? It's their game and they can do anything they want but I know I would think twice about playing this game if I happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and got banned and unable to appeal. Whether or not the banned dude is lying is irrelevant; they handed out the ban and now it's his responsibility to prove his innocence, which most people would be unable to do.

See, stream sniping is a pretty shitty thing to do and all, but I absolutely do not believe it's worth the developers time to combat against. It's literally not an element [I]in[/I] the game. Even if it's just slight, allocating time to make sure people [I]streaming the game[/I] are protected from the consequences of [I]streaming the game[/I] just seems silly in the first place. Streamers have the ability to fight stream sniping inherently, they just choose not to do it I guess? Either way I think it's a total non-issue. I don't really watch video game streamers though so maybe I'm just jaded towards the idea.

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;52518950]The fact that they can just ban because the creator of the game is watching the stream when something happens doesn't sit well with me[/QUOTE] Why? What's wrong with banning someone for deliberate griefing for no good reason?

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52519040]See, stream sniping is a pretty shitty thing to do and all, but I absolutely do not believe it's worth the developers time to combat against. It's literally not an element [I]in[/I] the game. Even if it's just slight, allocating time to make sure people [I]streaming the game[/I] are protected from the consequences of [I]streaming the game[/I] just seems silly in the first place. Streamers have the ability to fight stream sniping inherently, they just choose not to do it I guess? Either way I think it's a total non-issue. I don't really watch video game streamers though so maybe I'm just jaded towards the idea.[/QUOTE] I figure that games like these are big due to in part by big-name streamers playing it and word-of-mouth. From that standpoint it might make sense to devote manhours to protecting the streamers so that they can keep what is ostensibly free advertising going. Side with the streamers, so that they remain happy and keep playing the game instead of moving on to the next big thing when they get fed up.

[QUOTE=Bertie;52519051]Why? What's wrong with banning someone for deliberate griefing for no good reason?[/QUOTE] It's kind of a game that encourages griefing tbh [editline]29th July 2017[/editline] Like, that's literally the nature of games like Rust, Ark, PUGB is to kill people and fuck around... ESPECIALLY games like rust.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52519078]It's kind of a game that encourages griefing tbh [editline]29th July 2017[/editline] Like, that's literally the nature of games like Rust, Ark, PUGB is to kill people and fuck around... ESPECIALLY games like rust.[/QUOTE] You misunderstand. He didn't buddy up with a random guy and killed him later, they all spawned into the game as a team. Imagine a [I]team [/I]deathmatch with friendly fire on and some guy is just intentionally shooting his own teammates, that's exactly what the streamer did. I don't know of any game where intentionally shooting your teammates isn't bannable.

[QUOTE=V12US;52518661]Stream snipers are 110% pure cancer. So for a game that's as streamable as Battlegrounds, I understand that the devs want to discourage it as much as possible. That said, banning people with no or little evidence is dumb.[/QUOTE] They should add a streamer mode like rust that hides player and server games if they really want to discourage it Banning people won't stop them, putting legitimate walls up between viewers will however. Give the streamers the tools to solve this shit. Sadly I doubt the devs are nearly as clever as Garry [QUOTE=Bertie;52519093]You misunderstand. He didn't buddy up with a random guy and killed him later, they all spawned into the game as a team. Imagine a [I]team [/I]deathmatch with friendly fire on and some guy is just intentionally shooting his own teammates, that's exactly what the streamer did. I don't know of any game where intentionally shooting your teammates isn't bannable.[/QUOTE] Teamkilling is being a cunt yeah even then, there are ways they can reduce it of course, like not being able to execute team mates, since actually [B]disabling[/B] friendly fire isn't possible for a game where there is a point in having it. You could disable it after a certain amount of health as well, to keep the drama but disable full kills

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;52518950]The fact that they can just ban because the creator of the game is watching the stream when something happens doesn't sit well with me[/QUOTE] I don't see what's wrong with that, sounds just like ticking the griefing box in overwatch

What happens if someone, no joke, kills someone and just happens to join the next game they join? it's literally impossible for this to not occasionally happen by coincidence. Even if there are billions of servers that are full every day, a 1/1billion chance is still a chance. how could you possibly account for this and the fact that there is no way you joined by coincidence. If the streamer decides you cheated you're basically screwed.

[QUOTE=Bertie;52519093]I don't know of any game where intentionally shooting your teammates isn't bannable.[/QUOTE] Most of the time this problem is solved by automated systems like damaging your teammates too much -> kickban from session for couple of hours or so. (Like in CSGO) This allows you to do team damage, but you won't want to do it because it's bad for both you and who you shoot at, but it happens sometimes by accident of course TL;DR It's devs responsibility to implement proper mechanisms IN-GAME to handle the problems like this. And stream sniping however shitty thing to do is not their responsibility.

[QUOTE=Reaper33;52518243]They issued a statement[/QUOTE] [quote]Hi everyone. First of all, as the lead community manager, I apologize for not addressing the recent issues earlier. For team-killing and stream sniping, we require evidence to be submitted as with all reports against players. We do not ban players based on what we see on social media or streaming platforms ourselves. We ask players to submit reports with evidence on our forums which is a temporary measure. We take action when the evidence is sufficient to warrant a ban. The current rules and ban process are not final. Our community team is doing the best to ban users that do not play fair or ruin the experience of others. However, we do not have a perfect system. So our appeals system was put in place to ensure that there are checks and balances regarding all and any bans, and to allow us to rectify any mistakes that may have been made. Recently, I have realized that this may not be enough. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by the current system. We don't have an automated system to ban players who violate our Rules of Conduct yet. But in the future, our team will work with the engineering & platform team to implement tools and systems to effectively address the issues that could ruin anyone's experience in the game. We're currently designing the new systems. If a ban has been issued incorrectly, we will admit our mistake and lift the ban. However, it may take some time for us if there is no evidence to prove the banned user's point. We need to make sure by looking into in-game data. I apologize again if you have been frustrated with recent events or lack of communication. But it is our best interest to improve current systems to create a better environment for everyone and better serve our community. Thank you. Lead Community Manager Sammie Kang[/quote] They would've saved face if they had showed the evidence that was provided to ban the player. This is a different streamer, who says he got 15 players banned for stream sniping. [url]https://clips.twitch.tv/BetterBovineCobraImGlitch[/url] However, this guy has a habit of crying wolf every time he dies in the game, so who is to say how many innocent players get screwed by entitled power-hungry streamers? Let's also not forgot that this is the same game where another streamer got banned for teamkilling, who then went on Twitter to whine, which resulted in the creator of PUBG sperging out on Twitter. [img]https://www.dpsvip.com/upload/20170719/6363608344321810237988319.png[/img] Oh, and to top it off they introduced loot crates that they promised wouldn't happen until the game is running properly. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=lHjAhoR6Pbk[/media]

[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;52519216] Oh, and to top it off they introduced loot crates that[B] they promised wouldn't happen[/B] until the game is running properly.[/QUOTE] Is there a source on this statement? This literally happened before i was going to get PUBG myself, but now I have my doubts. And these ban news are not helping.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52519223]Loot crates? Well, off to the next ARMA, Battlegrounds, Day Z, etc. game.[/QUOTE] Yea I kept hearing about this game, and something about the name made me think "Oh this is some super-coder that really liked DayZ but hated that it was shit and made one without all the shit bits" and then every podcaster kept talking about it and talking about it. I cant run it but I almost bought it anyway from the hype. Then I heard they're doing paid keys for loot crates. At this point even as broke as I am I feel like getting together and funding/working on a 'Fuck you these games arent even complex just make them not have the shitty parts' DayZ game just to make the definitive one. [editline]29th July 2017[/editline] Rust was a good hope but the fanbase it drew was kind of... well I avoided rust because it ill just say that.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52519314]It's the next "Explore crafting survival!" aka Minecraft, although not nearly as popular because it can't appeal as wide to younger audiences.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=MedicWine;52519311]Yea I kept hearing about this game, and something about the name made me think "Oh this is some super-coder that really liked DayZ but hated that it was shit and made one without all the shit bits" and then every podcaster kept talking about it and talking about it. I cant run it but I almost bought it anyway from the hype. Then I heard they're doing paid keys for loot crates. At this point even as broke as I am I feel like getting together and funding/working on a 'Fuck you these games arent even complex just make them not have the shitty parts' DayZ game just to make the definitive one. [editline]29th July 2017[/editline] Rust was a good hope but the fanbase it drew was kind of... well I avoided rust because it ill just say that.[/QUOTE] PUBG and games like Rust/DayZ/etc aren't even in the same genre. PUBG is a battle royale game centered around single 20-30 minute last man standing deathmatches with randomized loot/vehicle spawns whereas the others are online survival games centered around staying alive, crafting and interacting with other players. PU created the BR mod for Arma which was popular, then helped lead H1Z1:KOTK development, then moved on and created PUBG.

[QUOTE=creec;52519228]Is there a source on this statement? This literally happened before i was going to get PUBG myself, but now I have my doubts. And these ban news are not helping.[/QUOTE] Found the video: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=lHjAhoR6Pbk[/media]

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52519314]It's the next "Explore crafting survival!" aka Minecraft, although not nearly as popular because it can't appeal as wide to younger audiences.[/QUOTE] Have you even remotely looked at the media for the game? It's nothing alike, and if you're using it as some comparison for the hype curve the game is seeing, it's still barely comparable. PUBG is about straight up murdering dudes because they exist and nothing else. Minecraft and the likes are not that.

If a streamer is giving away their location isn't it their fault? Sounds like they are only banning stream snipers because streamers are helping with the games success.

[twitch]BetterBovineCobraImGlitch[/twitch] Another more popular streamer who allegedly got people banned. Now the interesting thing about Grimmmz is, he loves to call anybody a stream sniper. He literally calls out before he goes onto the one famous bridge, that if somebody is camping there they must be a stream sniper, then he gets killed on the bridge and feels validated. It is pretty disgusting if he actually got people banned. He also claims there are always stream snipers in his games [URL="https://clips.twitch.tv/AgitatedHotPidgeonMrDestructoid"]10-15 a game.[/URL] no less. Really sad, BHS probably doesn't even go through the reports. They come from a big streamer, they have some names and dates or a clip, 100% must be right, banned. Stream sniping can ruin a game, there is no doubt about it but some streamers really get delusional that there is always a stream sniper just because they get killed.

Player unknowns response. [t]http://i.imgur.com/cMXVuNv.png[/t]

[QUOTE=creec;52519228]Is there a source on this statement? This literally happened before i was going to get PUBG myself, but now I have my doubts. And these ban news are not helping.[/QUOTE] It's an amazing game tbh and being able to experience it in it's peak (probably right now and in the near future) is something I'd definitely recommend, but your concerns for the development are absolutely justified imo. I was really hoping this would be the battle royale game to get it right but now I have my doubts.