A PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds player was falsely banned for stream sniping - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52519314]It's the next "Explore crafting survival!" aka Minecraft, although not nearly as popular because it can't appeal as wide to younger audiences.[/QUOTE] Except this doesn't have any exploration and crafting elements at all and basically isn't similar to those games at all??? If you're going to hate something, maybe learn what it is exactly you're hating because you sound like a total idiot otherwise.

[QUOTE=Mitsuma;52519469] [B]Stream sniping can ruin a game[/B], there is no doubt about it but some streamers really get delusional that there is always a stream sniper just because they get killed.[/QUOTE] That's the thing though - can it? It can ruin a specific streamers game who is choosing to make their gameplay public, true, but isn't it also true that these streamers themselves can use delays and blurring to avoid stream sniping all together? I think it's great if they could incorporate a hassle-free anti stream sniping function into the game (like that streamer mode people were talking about last page), but at this point acting on all these ban reports is causing [I]so much drama.[/I] Is it really worth it? Is stream sniping [I]that[/I] bad of an epidemic for the average player of Battlegrounds?

Stream sniping is whatever. You stream on twitch, you take the risk of someone doing that. Why aren't twitch players being banned for their viewers backseat gaming?

[QUOTE=Invule;52519474]Player unknowns response. [t]http://i.imgur.com/cMXVuNv.png[/t][/QUOTE] This is important. Do you guys really think the devs have absolutely now way to track player data? The guy who was banned could just as easily be lying and just trying to create some media buzz to pressure the devs into unbanning him. There are plenty of shit streamers who cry wolf at every death but blaming the devs is stupid

It'll be interesting to see how many other of the banned players come forward claiming to have been falsely banned. I don't doubt their ability to track player data like this, but I will be critical of how much effort they're putting in to shut down what I firmly believe to be a non-issue. If that leads to even one false ban, I'll be convinced the whole system isn't worth it.

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52519483]That's the thing though - can it? It can ruin a specific streamers game who is choosing to make their gameplay public, true, but isn't it also true that these streamers themselves can use delays and blurring to avoid stream sniping all together? I think it's great if they could incorporate a hassle-free anti stream sniping function into the game (like that streamer mode people were talking about last page), but at this point acting on all these ban reports is causing [I]so much drama.[/I] Is it really worth it? Is stream sniping [I]that[/I] bad of an epidemic for the average player of Battlegrounds?[/QUOTE] It actually ruins more then a game, it ruins the stream. Maybe fun once or twice but if those things persist and a streamer is forced to add a stream delay then the whole streamer and chat interaction gets killed off. It depends on the level of stream sniping to be honest. I'm aware of the "risk" with choosing to put your gameplay public but it shouldn't be an invitation to have people hunt you down on purpose. Either way, my post didn't say Im for bans, its almost impossible to prove, seems like you think that I said that. BHS should just add more anti-stream sniping measures like an option to blur out things automatically or streamers should just hide stuff on stream. [QUOTE=Articsledder;52519492]This is important. Do you guys really think the devs have absolutely now way to track player data? The guy who was banned could just as easily be lying and just trying to create some media buzz to pressure the devs into unbanning him. There are plenty of shit streamers who cry wolf at every death but blaming the devs is stupid[/QUOTE] I'm just gonna play devils advocate here and say that while you are probably right there is still a big chance of bias towards big streamers. They bring in a ton of new players, making them feel better in exchange for some no-name claiming to be falsely banned is an easy deal. PU also has shown in the other drama that his word doesn't seem to hold much.

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52519503]It'll be interesting to see how many other of the banned players come forward claiming to have been falsely banned. I don't doubt their ability to track player data like this, but I will be critical of how much effort they're putting in to shut down what I firmly believe to be a non-issue. If that leads to even one false ban, I'll be convinced the whole system isn't worth it.[/QUOTE] I mean, if a player is doing it consistently enough, I'd consider stream sniping straight up trolling. And if you're gonna troll, you better be willing to pay the toll.

[QUOTE=Mitsuma;52519513] Either way, my post didn't say Im for bans, its almost impossible to prove, seems like you think that I said that. BHS should just add more anti-stream sniping measures like an option to blur out things automatically or streamers should just hide stuff on stream.[/QUOTE] I wasn't responding to your post overall, just that assertion about stream sniping ruining the game. I'm just not sure if I can agree with the importance you're placing on protecting the streamers fun times - I understand that this game is very streamer-friendly, but I'm not sure if accounting for streamers should go as far as potentially punishing innocent players. Now, I know you're not for bans, but I guess my main contention is that maybe 'stream sniping is so bad we [I]need[/I] to deter it' shouldn't be a given when heading into this discussion, because it's so easy to deter without any help from the developers in the first place, and it's potentially ruining the time of just one person who has taken a given risk. I've said it before in this thread but I'm not into watching streams, so I could be jaded towards the subject or have some fundamental bias because of that, but, I just don't see what the big deal is.

[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;52519216] Let's also not forgot that this is the same game where another streamer got banned for teamkilling, who then went on Twitter to whine, which resulted in the creator of PUBG sperging out on Twitter. [/QUOTE] He banned him for teamkilling intentionally to grief and specifically not for the shittalking on twitter and that is also his private twitter account epic le sperging out meme though pal

I feel like all those people in this thread who say that stream sniping isn't much of an issue dont really watch any streams. Take Rust as an example - if any decent streamer tries to play it on non-private server he ends up swarmed by naked people yelling gibberish in their mics in like an half-hour.

Shit, even with light-hearted streamers like the guys from Vinesauce or Jerma you can tell stream-sniping gets frustrating for them. They start off kinda laughing about it, especially if there is at least some creativity to it. But after a while you can tell they're just frustrated because trying to stream a game but constantly dying because people watching are finding you to single out. Meaning a good chunk of time is respawning and not actually getting to do anything.

[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;52518213]yeah man fuck any game that doesn't let me stream snipe or team kill[/QUOTE] Fuck any game that tells me how to have fun

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52519314]It's the next "Explore crafting survival!" aka Minecraft, although not nearly as popular because it can't appeal as wide to younger audiences.[/QUOTE] no this is literally just hunger games.

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;52519585]He banned him for teamkilling intentionally to grief and specifically not for the shittalking on twitter and that is also his private twitter account epic le sperging out meme though pal[/QUOTE] It is literally in my post that he got banned for teamkilling. What difference does it make that the head honcho uses his private or business account to tweet against a guy that is blowing off some steam? The whole sob story about being in a bad situation, which has nothing to do with teamkilling or his twitter beef with a fake persona is silly to me. So yeah, that is sperging out to me. I don't see the point in responding seriously to a guy that wears this outfit on stream and plays the part that fits it. [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cts4Iy4UIAESnaw.jpg[/img]

Heres to PUBG going the way of KF2, so I can get a full refund off of a lying dev.

I'm more upset about the broken promise over lootcrates (which is going to be awful tier gambling) and implemented while the game is still so buggy you can't expect the round to end without dying to a sudden fps drop when you scope in or the game just suddenly crashing. They have a whole lot if issues to deal with before they should dare ask us for more money Once that's done I sure as fuck want that schoolgirl outfit

[QUOTE=Articsledder;52519492]This is important. Do you guys really think the devs have absolutely now way to track player data? The guy who was banned could just as easily be lying and just trying to create some media buzz to pressure the devs into unbanning him. There are plenty of shit streamers who cry wolf at every death but blaming the devs is stupid[/QUOTE] Just to add on to this, the guy accused responded saying his game was having issues and he had to restart. Also wasn't he duo? If this is the case why wasn't his buddy banned because they would have had to coordinate to lobby hop? 'We can't prove he was watching the stream' is also a key point. I have often had times where me or a friend has crashed or had to reconnect to multiple lobbies in a row. If when I got into a game then I killed a streamer would it be just to ban me on the grounds of 'suspected stream sniper'?

I went stream sniping maybe 2-3 times in Planetside 2 and it was actually really really fun in that game. Especially when your target is in a fight [I]nowhere near[/I] where your faction's lines are, so you're trying to sneak your way to a good vantage point and pick out a single person in the midst of a large fight between two very large enemy armies who can and will blow you to pieces on sight. Death is basically consequence-free in PS2 unlike these permadeath survival games, so I didn't figure it was a big deal there. Somebody should really make an open world multiplayer shooter where tracking and assassination are legit mechanics. I didn't really do it as a trolling "give me attention lol" sort of deal, just saw a streamer I was familiar with playing the game and thought it might be fun to try and get a kill specifically on them as they're in the middle of a huge clusterfuck fight my faction might not even be involved with- always stopped after the one. It was just sort of a for-kicks challenge.

[QUOTE=Articsledder;52519492]This is important. Do you guys really think the devs have absolutely now way to track player data? The guy who was banned could just as easily be lying and just trying to create some media buzz to pressure the devs into unbanning him. There are plenty of shit streamers who cry wolf at every death but blaming the devs is stupid[/QUOTE] streamers can't ban people. The devs can. Stream sniping sucks, I get it. But that's why you add a delay. He says no one is special, yet after the whole team killing streamer mess, the company is going to side with the streamers even more now. That's what gets them more money. And his reasoning that the guy kept trying to join the same lobby as the streamer. Ok and? He got into the same lobby, doesn't mean he continued to watch the stream. Could just be a fan that wants to play against the streamer. It's just another EA game that's beginning to cater to streamers. It's still fun and all, but good luck playing and possibly getting matched against a streamer a couple times and then killing him. They see you in the same lobby and you killed the streamer in your final game? banned. Grimmz doesn't even respond to his chat other than to whine about someone backseat gaming. Dude has the biggest fragile ego ever. He can't be wrong and he intentionally leaves the names up of the people who kill him so his fans can report them. The guy spent 20 MINUTES watching a 5 second clip of how a guy is hacking. With hundreds if not thousands of people saying the shot came from behind, giving multiple reasons and the guy goes "nah that's a sound glitch". I don't even understand how he got so popular for just being high on the leaderboard. His overall attitude is pretty horrible, banning people he disagrees with from his chat, always having to be right even when proven wrong. video: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxYkATiT0Bg[/media]

[QUOTE=Simplemac3;52520126]I went stream sniping maybe 2-3 times in Planetside 2 and it was actually really really fun in that game. Especially when your target is in a fight [I]nowhere near[/I] where your faction's lines are, so you're trying to sneak your way to a good vantage point and pick out a single person in the midst of a large fight between two very large enemy armies who can and will blow you to pieces on sight. Death is basically consequence-free in PS2 unlike these permadeath survival games, so I didn't figure it was a big deal there. Somebody should really make an open world multiplayer shooter where tracking and assassination are legit mechanics. I didn't really do it as a trolling "give me attention lol" sort of deal, just saw a streamer I was familiar with playing the game and thought it might be fun to try and get a kill specifically on them as they're in the middle of a huge clusterfuck fight my faction isn't involved with- always stopped after the one. It was just sort of a for-kicks challenge.[/QUOTE] Face of mankind did bounty hunting in a big open environment very well, but is long dead at this point. In planetside 2 i cant see how stream sniping could possibly be an issue because of the frequency and meaninglessness of death, sounds like you just had fun hunting down a particular target in the typical zerg war. Like i said in the OP pubg is probably one of a few games where the issue is worth paying any attention to at all.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;52520188]Face of mankind did bounty hunting in a big open environment very well, but is long dead at this point. In planetside 2 i cant see how stream sniping could possibly be an issue because of the frequency and meaninglessness of death, sounds like you just had fun hunting down a particular target in the typical zerg war. Like i said in the OP pubg is probably one of a few games where the issue is worth paying any attention to at all.[/QUOTE] I can see it being an issue if someone's using it repeatedly to legit cheat in a smaller-scale battle or actively harass somebody.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52519761] But it is another genre that is getting popular and ends up with a lot of oversaturated and bland games. Streamerbait I think some people call it?[/QUOTE] Not exactly fair to call a trend of failed games a genre when they have nothing that links them mechanically. There's flavor of the month games, yeah, but that has nothing to do with streaming or minecraft or whatever.

Apparently the guy in question Lotoe was falsely banned, despite what the devs say. Now this is reddit detectives at work but to me it all looks fairly conclusive. [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/PUBATTLEGROUNDS/comments/6q4yhb/they_wanted_evidence_of_stream_sniping_summit/[/url] In short, Summit was stream sniped by a group, multiple times but the Lotoe guy was not the one who stream sniped. It appears he was still banned because summit simply accused him after being actually stream sniped. In the old post he also said that the "multiple disconnects" were actually just one disconnect and reconnecting. Still smells like very strong bias from the devs. Maybe they also just act on the flood of reports from his viewers, which would also be stupid.

[QUOTE=IliekBoxes;52518207]I've heard about someone being banned for team killing (their friends), now this? I dunno if I want to buy this game anymore. I was thinking about it, but if you can't goof around without getting banned, what's the point?[/QUOTE] The team kill ban that attracted the most attention was by a big streamer on a random matched teammate, not a friend. I've teamkilled friends before while in a game and it doesn't matter as long as you don't grief.

[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;52520156][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxYkATiT0Bg[/media][/QUOTE] "He's not even in view." Should have been his first clue that he was killed by someone else.

[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;52520156] video: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxYkATiT0Bg[/media][/QUOTE] Oh my god, this dude is intolerable. He's one of the biggest streamers? How do people watch this without wanting to punch the dude?

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52520833]Oh my god, this dude is intolerable. He's one of the biggest streamers? How do people watch this without wanting to punch the dude?[/QUOTE] He's a very skilled and aggressive player and people like to watch those players because it's more entertaining than watching someone get maybe one kill before dying, or dropping into a corner of the map and keeping to themselves. The downside is aggressive players like him are often also cocky and egotistical.

[QUOTE=ragin cajun;52518291]why does every game of this genre have shit devs? It seems like every time a game like this becomes popular the devs ruin it and everyone jumps to the next game.[/QUOTE] The devs of this game are also removing a free feature and replacing it with microtransactions ;)

[QUOTE=Araknid;52520928]The devs of this game are also removing a free feature and replacing it with microtransactions ;)[/QUOTE] This isn't true. They are adding micro-transactions yes, but they are also adding 2 new free crates. Doesn't make it any better but it's not like you're going to have to pay for free skins now or something.

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;52518950]The fact that they can just ban because the creator of the game is watching the stream when something happens doesn't sit well with me[/QUOTE] "The fact that you can get a ticket just because the cops happen to be looking when you're going 90 in a 55 doesn't sit well with me." If the story is true, then the streamer is fucking awful and it serves a community GREATLY to have people like that removed. Would you prefer they got off scot-free for being shitty people?